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Main reason adults are better than teenagers...
We have the vote. 2%
We have all the money. 1%
We have all the other power too, in addition to money and votes. 25%
We know how to get properly laid, without getting pregnant unless we want to. 20%
We know how to use, not abuse, alcohol. 10%
We practice basic personal hygiene. 5%
We look better, and dress a hell of a lot better. 9%
We know what real music is. 26%

Votes: 96

 Teenage problems, teenage solutions.

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
May 06, 2002
 Comments:
To anyone who follows current events today, it is no news that teenagers and the havoc they wreak upon a frightened nation are in the headlines daily. If it is not a story about some teen psychopaths arming themselves with an astonishing array of deadly military hardware and sadistic improvised explosives and laying waste to innocents by the bushel-full, it is the tale of yet another teen hacker unleashing such chaos on business and industry in the form of an email virus that thousands are thrown out of work and onto the welfare rolls, and millions see their employers fall on hard times, canceling raises and Christmas bonuses in the face of hacker-related costs.

[Update 05/08/2002 by elenchos] Today UN Secretary General Kofi Annan responded to my ideas with a ringing endorsement (more or less). In particular, the Secretary General does not support the "right" to work at a McJob just to get money to run around town in a car, buy drugs and get knocked up. Thank you, Secretary General Kofi Annan!

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As Adequacy's resident liberal leftist, I would be the first to come to the defense of the much maligned teenager. After all, isn't it true that these rare and isolated acts are excessively spotlighted by the media, and isn't it a fact that the ordinary teen is an unsung upright citizen, who works hard in school and through quiet diligence is a credit to the nation, if not flashy enough to make the front page? Sadly, however, the "ordinary" teen fails to live up to this hoped-for ideal. The horrorific body count of those murdered on the highways of the nation by teen drunk drivers is enough to explode that illusion of the adequate "average" teen. Combine that with the leading role played by teens in making the Drug War a failure, and the contribution average teens make to the rolls of new cigarette addicts, or the average teen's shameful record of music piracy and software theft, and a sad, sorry portrait emerges. Teenagers are, in the most kind and sympathetic view, disgraceful, dangerous, and incorrigible.

Given that, the question follows: what is to be done?

The "teenager" is an invention of 20th century America. Prior to then, there was no special, awkward stage of life at the end of childhood and before adulthood began. In what we today would call the mid- to late-teens, childhood ended abruptly and adulthood began, marked by marriage, a job, or military service. But after a century of otherwise positive social liberalization, the teenage years have taken what was an infinitely short dividing line between child and adult and stretched the two phases apart, but with nothing to fill the gap, it has become a vacuum.

This vacuum, this waste land, has gone from idleness to mischief to wanton criminality and destruction. So, since it is not realistic to turn back the clock to a time of marriage at age 14, or enlistment in the Army at 15, we must instead fill this waste land with constructive activity, and expunge the garbage pile of filth and decadence that has been sucked into this open sore of a breach between the ages of 12 and 20.

What sort of filth? Drugs and computer crime are the most obvious items on the menu of this foul feast, along with murder and illicit sex, leading to pregnancy, and infanticide. But there are more basic causes behind these results of the depraved teenage life. So rather than debate the nebulous question of whether marijuana causes hacking or hacking leads to marijuana use, it is more pertinent to ask what are teenagers doing using computers at all? And what are they doing running around town unsupervised and free to "score" drugs?

Where do they get the money for drugs anyway? Steal it of course, or sometimes earn it at their job at the fast food restaurant. But why do they even have a job? It serves no educational purpose, and so besides buying drugs, what do teens need money for anyway? What?

To buy cars? Ah, now we are making progress. What social or educational good is served by putting a teenager of all people, behind the wheel of an automobile? So they can drive to the marijuana dealer? So they can engage in unsafe sex and become pregnant? Oh, I know! So they can drive to their job!!! Now the circle closes, and we see that driving is a self-justifying "need" with nothing but ill consequences.

Teenagers need to be learning how to diagram sentences, memorize important dates in history and math formulae, and drill in military skills for their mandatory Armed Forces enlistment, and where do they therefore have time to be driving around, or slouching through a shift at KFC, or surfing the web? Where is there time to allow teens to search the net for tips on computer hacking, or for contraband MP3 files?

Look at the typical teen you know, perhaps that surly boy across the street, and ask yourself: Does that kid deserve to be listening to pop music at all? Obviously, he deserves no free pop music, and with no job, he cannot buy compact discs, nor a hi-fi set to play them on. Think about what happens when these minors, who can be as strong and fast as adults, listen to rock music. Their blood boils and they enter into a kind of frenzy. Violent dance such as at a "rave" or "mosh" is usually the best you can hope for when a group of these animals gets the heat of their music into their veins. They begin to claw at their own eyes, and tear the clothes off those around them, and proceed with the infamous teenage sexual orgies that has made the United States the world's #1 abortion nation, and unwed teen mom nation. It doesn't stop there, of course. Often random attacks on the innocent, as in one of our many school massacres or terrorist attacks is the grisly end of a session of teen music listening.

Some have argued that teens should be allowed to hear certain kinds of music, like classical and opera. I agree, to a point, because I think allowing individuals a maximum amount of freedom (where practical) is good both for society and for the future non-terrorist teen. Obviously, no jazz. But can kids safely hear instrumental, non-sexual music? I say yes provided it is not performed by the subversives that teens crave to worship in their baccanal rock and pop shows, nor played from a pre-recorded medium. Let them play their own music on a recorder or cello (NO drums, no guitars!), under supervision, and perhaps their savage nature will be tamed.

It goes without saying that we must have uniforms. Any questions? I didn't think so.




The more i read the more i wonder.. (none / 0) (#9)
by DG on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 02:37:58 PM PST
If you know anything outside your own personal bubble of insulation. You first start out by saying how you are going to be the defender of the much malign teenager like you are some hero of the underdog, Then you make a complete about-face on how teenagers don't deserve anything we have now.. are you bitter elenchos? Are you angry becuse young people have a better life growing up? This must be a joke becuse, you seem to go out of your way to make yourself sound like a paranoid rightist conservative from the bible belt.
© 2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

elenchos (none / 0) (#13)
by tkatchev on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 03:26:51 PM PST
Is very much into heavy mind-altering drugs, so you don't really need to take anything of his seriously.

Most likely, it's the demon-powder (literally) speaking, rather than the real elenchos.


--
Peace and much love...




What can we conclude from this personal attack? (none / 0) (#14)
by elenchos on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 03:34:02 PM PST
Could it be that you can't think of a reasoned reply to my ideas, so instead you try to smear me personally? This is an example of exactly why youths should not be allowed to use computers.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


Oh come on. (none / 0) (#15)
by tkatchev on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 04:01:03 PM PST
Are you trying to tell me that you are not into mind-altering controlled substances?

I don't belive that for a moment. That goes against your whole online personality and "lifestyle"; in that case, I would have to conclude that you are nothing but a massive troll.


--
Peace and much love...




What about TEEN RIGHTS??? (2.00 / 1) (#16)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 04:18:01 PM PST
I don't care if this moron is on crack or not. My parents BELIEVE THIS STUFF! Our school principle believes it too. WTF? They treat us like shit. How come nobody cares? All you talk about is this elenchos guy. FOAD.


Well, yes. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
by tkatchev on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 04:49:55 PM PST
Probably because you're not important. Really, who cares? Nobody here, certainly.


--
Peace and much love...




Try a bit less compassion next time, ok? (none / 0) (#20)
by because it isnt on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 05:03:48 PM PST
You don't really want the guilt of another teen suicide on your conscience, do you? Right now, that lad's off down to the river with a rope tied to a big boulder, sobbing "nobody really cares about me, not even on the internet" to himself quietly, choking back the tears.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

So what! (5.00 / 2) (#31)
by walwyn on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 04:48:32 AM PST
Why should we wait until they reach their mid 20's to early 30's to grow out of their drug crazed, rock induced, criminal behavour. Supply them with all the pills, razor blades, and rope they need, to end their worthless lives with the least inconvenience to the rest of us.



 
Ha. You agreed with me from the beginning. (none / 0) (#26)
by elenchos on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 07:35:33 PM PST
You couldn't criticise my argument because you like my argument. You just don't like who it is coming from. Pretend it was written by Rasputin or Ivan the Terrible if that's easier for you to swallow.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


 
well well (none / 0) (#46)
by nathan on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 12:03:44 PM PST
They treat us like shit.

They must be 'flushed with victory.'

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 
Troll. (none / 0) (#51)
by nx01 on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 01:13:01 PM PST
Teenagers, being underaged, do not have rights as such. They have privlidges, which can be revoked. Just because you believe you should have a right to do something does not mean that it is such.

For instance, Osama bin Laden held a belief that he had a right to attack America, a soverign state. Terroristic thoughts like this get you nowhere, though, as our military has shown.

Only a troll would make the implication that teenagers -- which are under the legal protection of their parents (or guardians) -- have "rights".

I call you out, and I will ignore you from now on, Mr. Anonymous Reader. Granted, you have been quite prolific, and sometimes you have some good points, but your constant trolling and arguing with yourself and the respected members of this commuity has got to stop.


"Every time I look at the X window system, it's so fucking stupid; and part of me feels responsible for the worst parts of it."
-- James Gosling

Have you ever heard of someone.... (none / 0) (#196)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 24th, 2002 at 03:31:39 PM PST
...called Samuel Adams? Or how about Thomas Jefferson? Benjamin Franklin? They were all colonists in the American Colony of Great Britain, they didn't have the right to taxation with representation. Just because people don't have the right to or for something today doesn't make it right, or good. The idea of accepting rules and society the way it is just because that is the way it has been is one of utter nonsense. What if our forefathers practiced this theory? We would still be merely a part of England, and not the great nation that we are now.


Adams, Jefferson, and Franklin (none / 0) (#199)
by walwyn on Fri May 24th, 2002 at 06:31:36 PM PST
also believed in responsibility. When you start to pay tax you may gain some rights.

In the meanwhile I can assure you that feral vermin have no rights at all.


 
Unfortunately (none / 0) (#19)
by budlite on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 05:02:32 PM PST
age isn't a good absolute indicator of maturity. Oh sure, there's a loose correlation, but banning someone from using a collection of pieces of metal, plastic and semiconductors because they've not been alive for a certain amount of time is just silly.


 
I am an Elenchocentrist (none / 0) (#21)
by First Incision on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 05:05:39 PM PST
I agree. Tkatchev, while no one can wield an ad hominem quite like you, we all know you are capable of a well-reasoned refution of elenchos's logic. Please come back when you have more to say.
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Do you suffer from late-night hacking? Ask your doctor about Protonix.

Heh heh you said 'wield'. (none / 0) (#27)
by because it isnt on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 07:41:38 PM PST
you are capable of a well-reasoned refution of elenchos's logic

Don't you mean a well-reasoned elenchos of refutation's logic?
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

 
Pfft.. (none / 0) (#197)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 24th, 2002 at 03:37:41 PM PST
"This is an example of exactly why youths should not be allowed to use computers."

Pffft! Ignorance at its worst. I'm sorry, I think that anyone with an IQ under 140 shouldn't be allowed to use a computer - that would make all but a few who visit this site, banned from computers. That sounds just as fair as not allowing minors to use computers.


 
Hrm (none / 0) (#10)
by budlite on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 02:45:09 PM PST
I'm kind of inclined to agree (though as teenager I did kind of stray from the picture you paint - I didn't beat people up/kill people/engage in sexual activities (reckless or otherwise)), but....no guitars? No drums? Damn, without those there would be no Sigur Rós, purveyors of some of the most calming and calm itself, beautiful music I've heard in my life to this point.


 
Your Article sickens me (1.00 / 2) (#22)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon May 6th, 2002 at 05:47:01 PM PST
You obviously have no children( but of course, I expect you don't have a wife or GF). Im a 16 year old, Ive had a heart Transplant not because of drugs but because I got an infection. Teenage years are confusing times, if some do drugs so what!? It does not bother me! Taking away our freedom is not a good idea, thats like throwing a lit match into oil. We have enough preesure against us, WE don't need dumbasses like you to add more to our lives!

please do us a favor and don't write articles on things you have no experience

Indy ^_^


If... (5.00 / 3) (#33)
by hauntedattics on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 05:46:27 AM PST
elenchos is an adult, then by definition he was a teenager at some point. Thus he has all the experience he needs to write an article about what's wrong with teenagers.

And please save your teenage dramatics for an audience who cares. "The pressure...oh, the pressure of being a poor, misunderstood teenager!" Please. If you're a middle-class teenager in the U.S., Canada or Europe, you've never had it so good. So stop whining and get on with your life already.



Yo Hauntedattics (1.00 / 2) (#35)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 09:23:17 AM PST
"So stop whining and get on with your life already."

I was not talking to you so do me a favor and shove your head up your ass! Your making fun on how we complain about pressures? You know what type of garbage we have to go through day in and day out? School, family, relationships, and thats just a tip of the ice berg. I don't care if this guy has a teen, if he's just typing this us cause his kid's a wack-job, then his kid did something stupid. Me, Im getting on my life as it is, can't wait till summer

Indy ^_^


Still whining, huh? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
by hauntedattics on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 09:52:18 AM PST
School, family and relationships...what terrible things! Oh, the horror! If the rest of the iceberg doesn't include poverty, hunger, regular beatings by official entities or getting maimed by landmines, then you've still got it pretty good.

There. Done with my sermon for the day.



So because... (none / 0) (#37)
by The Mad Scientist on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 10:49:06 AM PST
...somewhere it gets even worse he should put up and shut up?

Well, there are landmines somewhere else. Is it a reason that he should accept ie. a curfew without complaining?


Well... yes. (none / 0) (#39)
by Illiterate Bum on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:05:23 AM PST
Nothing is as sobering when you realize that somewhere in Cambodia a boy/girl your age is limping on crutches because a limb was blown off by a landmine. It suddenly makes such concerns as curfew and allowance a bit petty, don't you think?

I was a teenager once, too. However, my parents taught me to be thankful for the advantages that I have. Living in Hong Kong also helped to further hammer out the differences between the haves and have-nots, and to appreciate and savor the freedoms that I am allowed to enjoy.

Teenagers from affluent areas are generally an ungrateful bunch, and do not realize how well-off that they have it. They do not realize that there is an entire world, one that does not enjoy the same benefits that they do, outside of their cozy little suburbs- oftentimes right around the corner (like in their local inner city). I personally think that the AR should shut up and grow up. Don't you?
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"...normal, balanced people do not waste time posting to weblogs." --tkatchev

The teenager is an invention of affluence. (4.66 / 3) (#43)
by elenchos on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:54:49 AM PST
It is precisely because Western kids have it so good that they turn rotten. This is why kids in rich suburbs are so much worse than in poorer areas. They are decadent and bored, and their lives are devoid of meaning. All they have is expensive toys: game consoles, computers, skate boards, cars, and drugs.

Being sold into sex slavery in Thailand would be cruel. But sending a kid to military school is not cruel; it is in fact the very thing Western teenagers need to carry them successfully into adulthood.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


military school (none / 0) (#79)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 05:22:07 AM PST
So you are saying that the parent is not responsible for the raising of their children, that it should instead be passed off to some military school to be done for them.

The parents brought the child into the world, it is their responsibility to raise that child and carry it into adulthood. If the parents set the example of not being responsible for their actions, what will the child learn from that?


If Dad is a drill instructor, no problem. (none / 0) (#96)
by elenchos on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 03:41:52 PM PST
But otherwise, most parents need to sub-contract the "tough love" their kids need. Ask any child of the military prep-school system, and he will tell you he thanks his parents a thousand times a day for loving him enough to send him.

Perhaps you don't know any products of military prep school because you don't generally mix with CEOs, astronauts, statesmen and Pulitzer Prize-winning authors? We do (and are), however, and we know of what we speak.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


CEOs (none / 0) (#99)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 04:15:09 PM PST
actually, CEO's are some of my biggest customers. some have military/prep school background, but most of them that ive met just had strong family upbringing. Mom and Dad taught them right from wrong and prepared them to go out in the world, which is mom and dads job. If the parents arent up to the job of raising the child, they should not have a child. Its a simple decision, am i adult enough to take responsibility for my actions, if the answer is no, the choice is celibacy since there are no 100%guaranteed means of birth control.


 
Excuse me..... (none / 0) (#192)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 21st, 2002 at 09:20:26 PM PST
...but who the fuck are you to tell me what my kids need? Answer me that? There are two people on this planet that can say what they need. My self, and my wife. You people post baseless bullshit that you can't even back up. Why don't you stop wasting oxygen that could actually go to a useful cause, seeing as that you aren't using it for anything important.


 
You know what I think (1.00 / 1) (#38)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 10:59:55 AM PST
"There. Done with my sermon for the day"

I think you should get your Preacher's licence revoked cause thats the most worst sermon I ever heard....And I don't go to church. Maybe I didn't break it down enough for you

School-Bullies, Peer Preasure, drugs, sex,Homosexuality

Family-Privacy, Parents, Divorce, sex, homosexuality, drugs

Relationships-Homosexuality(which you guys find satanistic, I just think your just homophobics), Sex, Peer Preasure, drugs, break ups

You went through this back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth unless your mom sealed you in a bubble from the outside world which makes me believe you people have sociophobia

Indy^_^


READ- NEWS FOR GROWN-UPS. (5.00 / 1) (#40)
by Illiterate Bum on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:30:51 AM PST
Your childish insult aside, do you realize that none of the things that you mentioned hold any water when compared to the life-threatening issues that hauntedattics brought up? These are real kids that are denied the same opportunities that you so blithely ignore. Do you not realize that it is a privelege to worry about such things as sex, peer-pressure, and "break-ups?" I hate to break this to you, junior, but the majority of the teens in the world are more concerned over where their next meal will come from then homosexual overtones in their relationships. Some of them even pick up guns and fight for what they believe in, whether it's misguided or not. I understand that these are your concerns- fine. Lacking anything else to worry about, you worry about the petty things. But do not be so presumptuous as to think that your concerns are even close to being as crucial and important as those that trouble the less fortunate.

Also, your constant reference to homosexuality leads me to believe that you are homophobic yourself. Most others tend not to worry about it unless it is a valid concern (which it only is if you are homosexual or homophobic, which can be argued is oftentimes one and the same). The majority of Adequacy readers are not homophobic, even if some of them do believe it's a sin. There is a difference there, junior- are you smart enough to figure it out?

Go back to slashdot, child, where your inane juvenile tripe is appreciated; you'll find that the majority of the readers here are not appreciative of your moronic antics. Adult trolls we'll entertain; juvenile ones we will not tolerate.
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"...normal, balanced people do not waste time posting to weblogs." --tkatchev

thanks for the speeche (none / 0) (#41)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:44:53 AM PST
Ok Greg, I won the bet! I told you these guys get quick to anger and tightassed

*Recieves $5 from friend*

Thanks :p

Indy^_^


Talking to your imaginary friend (none / 0) (#44)
by walwyn on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:57:39 AM PST
cuts no ice here.


 
that's enough out of you (none / 0) (#45)
by nathan on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 12:01:49 PM PST
Keep your teen buttsex adventures to yourself, fag.

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

 
$5. (5.00 / 1) (#48)
by tkatchev on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 12:18:04 PM PST
Is that enough for a quick hit on the crackpipe wherever you live?


--
Peace and much love...




Dunno (none / 0) (#49)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 12:24:50 PM PST
But for a ticket to see MIB2, 5 bucks is all I need

Indy^_^


don't try it here, Captain Bumass (4.00 / 1) (#55)
by nathan on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 05:47:15 PM PST
Your depraved fag codes are not welcome here, you choadsmoking vandal.

Nathan
--
Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

MIB2 (none / 0) (#76)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 04:59:31 AM PST
MIB2 isnt a code, its an acronym. If you had paid attention during english in highschool you would know that.

MIB2 = Men In Black 2


Eh! (none / 0) (#80)
by walwyn on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 05:47:35 AM PST
An acronym for some code just makes it worse. What the hell is "Men In Black 2" supposed to mean?


It sound rather anti-government (none / 0) (#82)
by nx01 on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 07:30:46 AM PST
As in "We want to kill the CIA members who want to help us!"

This person seems to be dangerous, possibly another anarchist fascist pipe bomber. Perhaps we should report him|her to the authorities?


"Every time I look at the X window system, it's so fucking stupid; and part of me feels responsible for the worst parts of it."
-- James Gosling

Report him to the authorities? (5.00 / 1) (#90)
by tkatchev on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 11:20:48 AM PST
What for? So they put him in the zoo?

Unfortunately, it's not an endangered species, so your plan will fail. :(

Well, maybe a cute little petting zoo...


--
Peace and much love...




 
According to my research... (none / 0) (#83)
by dmg on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 08:42:35 AM PST
found on various criminal hacker websites, MIB2 is part of an enhanced SNMP protocol. The MIB is an ASN.1 database containing information about manufacturers hardware, and how it may be managed by an SNMP capable piece of hacking software such as Sun Microsystem's "Sun Net Manager" or Hewlett-Compackard's "Open View".

ASN.1 is the Abstract Syntax Notation
SNMP is the Simple Network Management Protocol

Thank you.

time to give a Newtonian demonstration - of a bullet, its mass and its acceleration.
-- MC Hawking

Wah? (none / 0) (#84)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 09:15:03 AM PST
You thought the MIB2 I mention was about Hacking? Its the new Will Smith Movie thats coming out July 3 2002, watch it at your local theatres

I should get checks from Sony for this advertisment

Indy^_^


Why? None of us will see it. (none / 0) (#94)
by elenchos on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 03:09:56 PM PST
(nt)


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


 
Its sad God made people as stupid as you fools... (none / 0) (#190)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 21st, 2002 at 09:04:31 PM PST
...and I'm talking about you guys who support this bullshit that is often written about in this cesspool you call a "Grown-Up Site". SNMP, correct, it stands for Simple Network Management Protocol. It is a Layer 3 (in the OSI model) protocol used for network troubleshooting and administration. It has absolutely <b>no</b> links to hacking or any form of hacking.

You want to know something? There's no such thing as a "criminal hacker" website. Its perfectly legal to created a website about hacking. There's something here in the US that we like to call the <b>First Ammendment to the Constitution</b>.

Its this little thing that says that the people of the United States of America can say what ever the fuck they want and you can't do a damn thing about it. =)


First ammendment (5.00 / 1) (#193)
by walwyn on Wed May 22nd, 2002 at 01:30:08 AM PST
also protects dmg's right to call a spade a spade. He correctly describe these as "criminal hacker" websites, as they are mostly fequented by hackers.


Hackers are NOT criminals... (none / 0) (#195)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 24th, 2002 at 03:23:11 PM PST
Hackers are merely people who understand a peice of software in and out. That does not make them a criminal. If they use their knowledge to do damage of any sort then they are criminals, but most merely high themselves out to large coorporations that pay them to find security holes in their networks.


As you don't seem to know... (none / 0) (#198)
by walwyn on Fri May 24th, 2002 at 06:27:00 PM PST
that 'high' does not mean 'hire', nor that 'peice' and 'coorporations' are not real word, it is unremarkable that you don't also know that 'hacker' means 'one who commits computer crime'.


 
If... (none / 0) (#87)
by hauntedattics on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 10:30:38 AM PST
by "tightassed" you mean "willing to call you on your bullshit" then yes, we are. As for getting angry, there's only one person on this thread letting his emotions do the talking, and that person would be you. Cheers.



I think this article is hillarious (none / 0) (#188)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon May 20th, 2002 at 02:12:12 AM PST
I skimmed through this article and laughed all the way through. You honestly think that holding back kids will help them grow?? DUMB FUCKS you be. Listen: Don't you think that once they get their heads out from your tight, constricting ass cheeks and start to hear kids talking about that "oh-so-sinful" book, Harry Potter, they will listen to it and find out, holy shit, it's NOT THAT BAD and read all they can about it, then just getting more mad at your parenting for holding them from everything? It's so stupid of you guys to think that your ideas are okay.

I mean, SEXY CLASSICAL MUSIC?! Yeah, watch out, here I go getting a boner to Fur Elise, or even worse, Moonlight Sonata, oooh, gets my juices flowin'. Makes me wanna smash my head on some bricks, or make you guys do the same, it's only fair. Kids will be kids. However, I'm sure all of you "grown-ups", as the title so proclaims the news here for you all, didn't get hair anywhere on your body, sans your head, til you turned 21, didn't get an erection til you were 25, and didn't lose your virginity til... Well, we'll see, wont we? And I'm sure all of you listened to classical music, just like Bach etcetera, etcetera, and didn't DARE touch stuff like swing dancing or The Beatles. They be bad influences. -=sniffles=-

Listen to yourself, or read what you're typing for once. Watch where your fingers hit the keys on the board. IT WILL MAKE YOU STOP!! I will admit that teenagers are unruly, but look at EVERY generation. All of them have bad seeds within them. Let them have their bad seeds, let those with morals not strive to be them.

And no worries for kids?? Jeeeeezus CHRIST, mother fuckers!!!! This is the time in our lives where we try to MAKE SOMETHING OF OURSELVES, you guys at least have something in mind, and have taken it, your worries are over until you get fired. We have to go, REGARDLESS IF WE WANT TO, and can't stop until school is out. If we get expelled, we're FUCKED. And trust me, I know. I have a job. It's shitty, but a job. We have to worry about school, drugs, parents, relationships, and yes, homosexuallity is a problem. It's hard to come to realization of it, it's NOT EASY. I am proudly bi, and it took me 2 years to realize it. You fucks don't make it any easier. Friends, moving(parents move on a whim a LOT), emotions, blahdeeblah, stereotypical teenager shit. Don't you DARE mock our living style, for it seems to be more open minded then your cookie-cutter home, "I think I'll beat my kids straight for listening to Eurythmics" asses.

Now with that out, for those of you who read this far, gooooood for you. ^_^ Anyway. Hope some of you learned from this, and those who didn't... Can get a boner from Mozart.


Oh dear. (none / 0) (#189)
by hauntedattics on Tue May 21st, 2002 at 01:57:04 PM PST
Is your blood pressure at record levels yet? I'm sure there are some good anger management classes in your area. Please sign up right away, to protect your health.

And while you're at it, learn how to communicate more effectively by (a) whining less and (b) taking everything a bit less personally. Trust me, it helps when you reach that "worry-free" time known as adulthood.



Why don't you actually try to address his points? (none / 0) (#191)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue May 21st, 2002 at 09:12:53 PM PST
Oh wait, thats right...you can't. For some reason you seem to have the idea in your thick skulls that if you say someone is whining it negates their arguement. Last I checked, it didn't. All of you so called "Grown Ups" can't argue worth shit. Put together none of can hold as much water as I can with one hand, figuratively speaking, of course. So why don't you actually address the points that he said and at least try to pull yourself out of the hole you keep digging but refuse to acknowledge is there?


Uh-huh. (5.00 / 1) (#194)
by hauntedattics on Wed May 22nd, 2002 at 05:59:33 AM PST
Cutting through all the whining and bullshit of the AR's previous post (and it took some doing, let me tell you), I distilled out the following points:

1. Harry Potter is not that bad.
2. Classical music doesn't make people want to have sex.
3. The adults on Adequacy went through puberty late, if at all, and have yet to have sex.
4. Kids have a staggerly high number of worries, while adults' only "worry" (and it's a lame one), is getting fired.
5. Being openminded is the only virtue.

Now, #1 is inane, #2 has been addressed elsewhere in the discussion of this article, #3 is pure libel, #4 is merely laughable and #5 is addressed all over this site all the time. Tell me again why we should take the previous post seriously and address the "arguments" therein?

When you teenagers set yourselves up as some sort of noble martyrs, whose lives and lifestyles are being threatened or curtailed by those terrible grown-ups out there, you do not endear yourselves to adults. Adults have been teenagers and many of them have survived that condition, grown up and learned to laugh at themselves, and now lead happy, successful lives. I suggest you look to them for guidance. There are plenty of good models out there.




 
hey! hands off hauntedattics! (5.00 / 1) (#42)
by nathan on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 11:51:11 AM PST
You lost many points with me with the 'shove up ass' comments. Civilised people don't think that sort of filth, much less write in to well-respected members of public forums. You butthole.

While I can tell that you are very passionate about the subject of teenager 'rights,' you should remember that passionate opinions can still be wrong. Teens today have many problems, because the human condition is a sorrowful one; but that is hardly an argument for retaining an outmoded idea (that of 'the teenager' as a developmental category) that has outlived its usefulness. elenchos's article, whatever its conclusions, must be argued against in its own terms, or else you must provide a convincing argument about the weakness of those terms. You have done neither.

The idea that people aged 13-19 risk drugs, homosexuality, and illegitimate sexual behaviour is precisely why elenchos has argued that the idea of 'the teenager' has become outmoded and dangerous.

Nathan
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Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

Teenager (none / 0) (#78)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 05:17:24 AM PST
Actually the idea of he teenager is a sound one.

It used to be that you were a child, playing in the yard, running thru the streets playing tag with your friends one day, and then u were an adult with responsibilities the next.

Now, u are a child, playing with your friends, then a teenager, learning what it takes to be an adult, then and adult, using what your parents taught u about responsibility.

Adults must work to pay the bills, so teenagers should be made to get jobs to buy the things they want, no more mommy and daddy buying it for them. They learn that in life if one wants something, they must work for it rather than have it handed to them.

Adults must drive to work, the store, the doctor, etc, so the teenager should drive him/herself to work and pay for the car and its maintenance/gas themself. they will learn that everything in life comes with a price, even the freedom a car gives.

Adults have mortgages, car payments, insurance payments. So mom and dad buy a cheap used car and make the teenager pay them each week out of the money he/she gets at their part time job. Once again, everything has a price, and they will also learn to budget their money to make sure they can pay for everything that needs to be paid.

Between school during the day, working part time at night, their chores at home, and studying they will have to learn to budget their time.

Between going to school from 7-3, studying/doing chores from when they get home till 4:30, working from 5-9, eating when they get home, and maybe watching some TV if they got their homework done before work they wont have time to get into any trouble during the weeks. on the weekends they have their homework as well, studying, chores, and errands for the family (since they have a car they can run to the grocery store to get the couple items that were forgotten, take their little brother sister to junior league sports/dance class/musci lessons etc) they will have a full schedule. If they managed to budget their time properly and found a way to sqeeze in some free time, then as a reward for the responsibility theyve shown they can go see the new movie thats out or go get themself a new CD.

Teenagers are no longer children, but they are not yet adults. They are learning to be adults, and it is their parents responsibility to teach them what that is. Being an adult is a 24 hour a day job, learning to be one should be as well.


nuts to you (none / 0) (#97)
by nathan on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 03:58:56 PM PST
I'm 23 and I work 14-18 hours a day, depending. It would be much easier to be dozing in some dumbass highschool class.

Nathan
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Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

Dozing (none / 0) (#100)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 04:33:01 PM PST
sometimes id love to go back to highschool, tho my life wasnt exactly easy then.
i didnt have time for relationships and such so you wont be hearing one of those 'relationships, peer pressure, etc etc blah blah' speeches from me. I got up in the morning, had breakfast, went to school, came home and had my homework to do, then my chores or work, after work it was home to eat some dinner, do any homework i hadnt done...... Can you see where this is going?

Gramma and Grandpa made sure I didnt have time to get into trouble since mom was too busy out getting herself in trouble and dad was remaried and living out of state. If I wanted something, I had to earn the money and buy it for myself. When i wanted a car, Gramma and Grandpa bought me one for $600.00 and made me pay them back $75.00 a week. Had to pay my own insurance, gas, maintenance, etc. Even as a child, if i wanted something, more often than not I had to earn it. I want a video game system, 6 months of extra chores and I got it. A new game for my video game system, a month of extra chores. They made sure I knew the value of hard work and responsibility. When i decided to go to technical school after I graduated I had a small amount of money saved up (after all I didn't have time to be out running around spending it) so i was able to pay almost a third of my tuition in cash and got a loan for the rest. Now I make a very good living as an independent network security consultant.

All it takes is parents accepting their responsibility for raising their children and not looking to blame everyone and everything for why children aren't growing up to be productive citizens. Using TV/movies (why do you let them watch those violent shows), music (why do u let them listen to that music), lack of this or that in schools (their job is to teach book reading, writing, math, history, not morals) or anything else is saying you aren't responsible for raising your child.


 
I'm glad I got a CS degree. (none / 0) (#111)
by tkatchev on Thu May 9th, 2002 at 01:03:25 AM PST
Now I come to work at noon. It's great.


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Peace and much love...




 
Oh I get it. (none / 0) (#47)
by walwyn on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 12:05:41 PM PST
Family-Privacy

Masturbate in public if you can't do it it private. Oooh you did.


 
Ugh. (5.00 / 2) (#50)
by nx01 on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 01:02:48 PM PST
You know what type of garbage [teens] have to go through day in and day out? School, family, relationships, and thats just a tip of the ice berg.

You know, I see the error of my ways. I remember school, and how brutal everything was. Oh! Should I ditch today? What if my parents figure out that I ditched!?? Will they take away my car? I hope Johnny asks me to the prom! My parents just don't understand! They make me be in by 1:00! They won't give me money anymore either, they say I should get a job. Did you hear the new Limp Bizkit song? I love it! Oh, my parents told me not to wear my new transparent shirt without a bra! How horrible, I hate them! My life sucks, I wish I was dead.

I'm glad I finally got out of high school into the world where school, relationships, and family have no bearing on life.

I so TOTALLY agree. Anyone who's out of high school couldn't possibly understand.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to writing my dissertation, trying to figure out how my girlfriend feels about marriage, and dealing with the carnage that will no doubt occur when I visit my parents for mother's day.


"Every time I look at the X window system, it's so fucking stupid; and part of me feels responsible for the worst parts of it."
-- James Gosling

Deletion Notice (none / 0) (#66)
by RobotSlave on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 09:32:21 PM PST
A comment by user "Anonymous Reader" bearing the creative title "wow" has been deleted for violation of copyright belonging to user "nx01." Non-violating original content from the deleted comment is republished below:

"Schools now adays call your home

Most Likley

You must done stupid thinks in school

Welcome to my world

Get with the times, Limp Bizkit's new CD was out 2 years ago, Korn is the one with the New song

Girls wear transperent shirts? DAMN MY TOWN SUCKS

How do you think I feel? There are girls wearing Transparent shirts out there and non here

HEHEHE How do you like those apples

Indy^_^"



© 2002, RobotSlave. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Someone - anyone - (none / 0) (#70)
by The Mad Scientist on Tue May 7th, 2002 at 10:21:53 PM PST
- please give RobotSlave some work to make him less unuseful. Maybe order him to dig a hole in the ground, and then to fill it again.


Oh, I don't know. (none / 0) (#81)
by hauntedattics on Wed May 8th, 2002 at 06:09:01 AM PST
At least in this case, I think it served its purpose.



 
how horrable (none / 0) (#160)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 10th, 2002 at 06:43:10 PM PST