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What's the best part of the defeat of Open Source?
Geeks and other irritating virgins will cease to exist. 15%
The stench of RMS will gradually disappear. 20%
Women and children will be able to walk the streets at night. 25%
I like pie! 40%

Votes: 20

 End of Open Source

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Aug 18, 2002
 Comments:

There are many individuals in society that feel the need the advocate the use of the rogue operating system known as Linux. They believe that their pathetic libelous reasons are proof that Linux is superior to Windows, but as a wise man once said, pictures speak a thousand words and one simple screenshot finally proves that compared to the power of Windows, Linux is a dead mother fucker now.

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My Hard Life
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Miss Adequacy 2002
Declaration of War Against Adequacy
Wicca FAQ
Native or Lying?
Capital Punishment
Literature and the Law
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I Miss Jin :(
Ask Adequacy: Am I a Pedophile?
Seatbelts - Bad Influence
The Perfect Career

Linux advocates are now pissing their panties knowing that they have finally seen defeat, because their pathetic operating system lacks the innovative technology of Microsoft. I predict that in the following months, half of the Linux companies will file for bankruptcy and the other half will cease to exist. Advocates of Open Source, full of suicidal tendancies, will end up in psychiatric wards and in morgues as they realize the one fight they fought ended in agonizing defeat. It will not only be amusing, but hilarious as well to know that the individuals that have taunted and harmed others their entire lives will finally receive their karma.

In conclusion, I would like to thank Microsoft for leading the world into the 21st century.

Say goodbye to Open Source.



       
Tweet

Ummm... (1.00 / 1) (#1)
by The Mad Scientist on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 06:19:50 PM PST
MSN Messenger, Yahoo Messenger, ICQ, MSIE, MS Outlook... Do I smell worm food?


What's wrong with the best? (none / 0) (#5)
by MessiahWWKD on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 07:12:34 PM PST
Let's face it, compared to the above, the alternatives such as Evolution, Jabber, and Opera suck balls.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

re: (none / 0) (#9)
by Narcissus on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 01:53:46 AM PST
Well at least you didn't say Mozilla. If you had I'd have pointed out the point that Microsoft admits to basing IE on Mozilla. If you don't believe me then look at a web server log file from a Windows computer. But, I shouldn't have to tell you this because you are obviously an experienced computer user.


--------------------------------
Ok, who picked the flower???

Shut up, prick. (none / 0) (#11)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 05:32:57 AM PST
NCSA is not Netscape, and you know it.


 
Microsoft!!! (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 06:26:38 PM PST
They have withdrawn from the open-source font market. The geeks are torn between criticizing Microsoft (and exposing Linux's dependency on them for fonts) or keeping quiet and pretending that X11 has decent fonts built-in. Its kind of funny to watch. <p>
You would have thought that after 20 years of development, the X-Window system would have got some decent fonts. Apparently it has not.


Twenty years of development. (none / 0) (#7)
by tkatchev on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 11:33:31 PM PST
Actually, the "X Window System" should have been killed at birth, not nursed all these years.


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Peace and much love...




No argument from me... (none / 0) (#10)
by gordonjcp on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 02:11:16 AM PST
It was great about 15 years ago, when MS Windows was a bit like an overgrown Xtree Gold (remember that?). Now it just sucks. Display Postscript is the way and the light. Windows GDI is OK but doesn't handle antialiased edges properly.


 
The amusing thing is... (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by because it isnt on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 06:40:08 PM PST
that this "killer screenshot" looks like a closet Apple Macintosh fan has made his Windows XP desktop look as much like MacOS X as possible. Death of Linux, indeed.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

I see no stripes or bubbles (none / 0) (#4)
by MessiahWWKD on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 07:09:38 PM PST
Except for the shadows, every object in the screenshot was clearly designed for Microsoft Windows XP. Apple OS X is beautiful, but the design of Windows XP is divine.

Besides, Apple hates Linux as much as Microsoft does.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Then why oh why (none / 0) (#12)
by detikon on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 12:26:58 PM PST
is Apple welcoming open source developers to port linux applications to both OS X and Darwin?

The only thing close to criticism from Apple regarding Linux and *BSD is that the development of such OSes has been geared more toward the server and power user. MacOS X has been geared more toward the consumer from the very start.
The introduction of UNIX-like operating systems such as FreeBSD and GNU/Linux for personal computers was a great step in bringing the power and stability of UNIX to the mass market. Generally though, these projects were driven by power users and developers for their own use, without making design decisions that would make UNIX palatable to consumers. Mac OS X on the other hand, was designed with end users in mind from the beginning.





Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Because (none / 0) (#22)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 08:49:16 PM PST
they don't sell enough apples to pay professional programmers. Capitalism will suddenly make sense when you become employed, and mom will be so proud.


do you like being retarded? (none / 0) (#24)
by detikon on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 11:12:49 PM PST
Apple has some of the most skilled programmers working for them. Why else do you think that Microsoft keeps copying them? Why does shit work on an Apple so much better than a PC?

Don't believe me that Windows is a wannabe Mac clone? Then why did Microsoft acknoledge in a written statement back in 1985 that Windows was "deriative...of the visual displays generated by Apple's Lisa and Macintosh"? And from Windows 1.0 to XP the OS has grown more Mac-like not less.

I'm sure it must have taken extremly fantastic programming skills to write the BSOD.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

windows 1.0? who's the retarded? (none / 0) (#30)
by Juan Fernandez on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:56:31 AM PST
I thought first Windows version was 3.0, never saw 2.0 or 1.0, did you?
Who is the retarded here, Mister? me?


Hmm (none / 0) (#31)
by DG on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 01:17:50 AM PST
There has to be a 1.0 and up to reach 3.0 or 3.0 would have been one to start with.. just becuse you never saw it doesn't mean there wasn't ones before 3.0
<P>
anyway from what i heard 1.0 and 2.0 where pretty bad so they never sold them
2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Windows 2.0 was cool. (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 01:37:26 AM PST
Back in 1987, your PC could run Windows 2.0. You could iconify a program, to see your taskbar of all the started programs. Then, you could bring one of the applications to the front.

Only the application at the front ever ran. It was fantastic, mostly because the Amiga (2 years old at the time) already had a preemptively multitasking desktop environment that ran in less than 100kb of RAM. It did a fantastic job of kicking the PC's ass.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't


ahh yes the Amiga (none / 0) (#77)
by detikon on Fri Aug 23rd, 2002 at 11:01:49 AM PST
made Bill Gates look like a complete ass after he claimed that you could not fit and entire OS with a GUI inside of 1MB.

HAHA!




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
Hmm Hmm (in Stereo where available) (none / 0) (#33)
by Juan Fernandez on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 01:49:14 AM PST
So, Mister, where are Slackware 5.0 and 6.0?


Well (none / 0) (#42)
by DG on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 11:40:17 AM PST
go read the general faq on the slackware site, it tells all...
<P>

2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

 
I have... (none / 0) (#41)
by gordonjcp on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 11:00:25 AM PST
I've seen 2.0, and I've got 1.0 *somewhere*. IIRC it was a bit like Xtree Gold and fitted, along with DOS 4, on a single 720k floppy. Maybe it was a 1.44M floppy, I don't really remember. I'll look it out.

Any thoughts on distributing it as "abandonware"? It would be nice if Microsoft would give permission to let people have copies of it, just for curiosity's sake...


 
Correction: (none / 0) (#34)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 02:09:37 AM PST
Apple had some of the most skilled programmers working for them back when they invented the 3.5 inch Macintosh floppy disk. When Apple fell on hard times, hard disks, and the networking, Macintosh sales dwindled to an unprofitable dribble causing Job to ask the Lord, "Why hast thou forsaken me?" and the Lord did not answer. And so Job sought out the Devil, and the Devil made him recruit the anarcho-capitalists at FreeBSD to steal the Linux kernel, relicense it under libertarian terms and rename it Evolution. And that's why, if you want to know why Creationism makes the apostate Liberalists squirm, you should inquire after Dracula's hatred for the wooden crosses. Because the Open Source is evil, that is why.


Why haven't you been moded up (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 02:20:06 AM PST
This is drivel, but quite inventive.


 
Check your history (none / 0) (#46)
by detikon on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:14:43 PM PST
Apple had some of the most skilled programmers working for them back when they invented the 3.5 inch Macintosh floppy disk. <p.Apple didn't invent the 3.5" floppy disk. That was Sony. Apple had the Twiggy drive which was a floppy flop. However, Apple has been the first to utilize most innovations. <p>They were the first to utilize the 3.5" inch floppy, built in ethernet ports on all computers, 802.11b wireless networking (AirPort), and FireWire.

Apple has yet to adopt the slow to come USB2.0 standard. However, FireWire will always be faster (just wait for FirWire2 which will blow USB2.0 out of the water). Unfortunately PC manufactures try to make USB more than it is. When Apple fell on hard times, hard disks, and the networking, Macintosh sales dwindled to an unprofitable dribble causing Job to ask the Lord, "Why hast thou forsaken me?" and the Lord did not answer. And so Job sought out the Devil,

Apple fell on hard time because of shitty mangement that threw Jobs out. When he came back the only "Devil" he turned to was Gates. Apple needed software (ie MS Office) and was willing to put aside all differences regarding ongoing cases involving Windows and the Mac [for a price] for 5 years. the Devil made him recruit the anarcho-capitalists at FreeBSD to steal the Linux kernel, relicense it under libertarian terms and rename it Evolution.

What!?! Darwin uses a FreeBSD/Mach kernel.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Yes, that's what I said. (none / 0) (#51)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 09:20:45 PM PST
Except I got my facts right.


where? (none / 0) (#55)
by detikon on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 11:56:45 PM PST
Two main points that you make are that Apple invented the 3.5" floppy disk. Sorry but that was invented by Sony.

The other is that MacOS uses the Linux kernel and calls it Evolution. Whoops again as the kernel is called Darwin and it is a FreeBSD/Mach based kernel.

When Apple fell on hard times, hard disks, and the networking, Macintosh sales dwindled to an unprofitable dribble causing Job to ask the Lord, "Why hast thou forsaken me?" and the Lord did not answer.

What!?! Are you trying to mention the very short lived Widget hard drive and Twiggy floppies that only appeared in Lisa computers and prototype Macs. Also by the time Apple saw any real decline, Steve Jobs had already left Apple.

I suggest you read up on your Apple history before you respond.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Right here. (none / 0) (#71)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 01:53:13 AM PST
Yours is a common misapprehension. Apple contracted Sony for the manufacture of the 3.5" floppy disk, because computer production requires a highly capitalized, global, command and control system of capitalist production. At the time of the disk's invention, Apple was a commune of marijuana smoking primitivists operating out of their neo-hippy leader's garage. Apple engineers were paid with reality distortion dollars, which was groovy, but the silicon shops insisted on legal tender, which was a bummer. For that very reason, Steven "The Boz" Job came up with the trippy plan to travel to Japan and challenge Sanyo CEO, Ryobi Seisakusho, to a game of Ms. Pac-Man, winner take all.

the kernel is called Darwin and it is a FreeBSD/Mach based kernel.

Oh brother! Just read the Internet. Your claim that FreeBSD's kernel is Mach is prima facie absurd. As any googlist will tell you, the FreeBSD kernel was written in Berkeley by the homsexualists McKusick, Bostic, Karels and Quarterman. Mach was developed a thousand miles away in Carnegie Mellon's National Center for Supercomputing Applications. The only connection between the two camps is Eric Allman, Kirk McKusick's wife. Eric wrote Sendmail while he was a student at NCSA.

Had you bothered to learn the history of computers during the sixties, you would have saved yourself much needless embarrassment in this thread. Facts are stubborn things, Detikon. Here's a suggestion for you: Don't think different.


uh no (none / 0) (#73)
by detikon on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 11:04:21 AM PST
There were many floppy disk formats in development at the time. Apple's Twiggy along with numerous others like the Amdek 3" had case diskette and Dysan/Tabor floppy. Sony's developemnt of their 3.5" specification came during the same time as Apple's Twiggy last showed up in the LisaII and prototype Macs. By the this time the Apple corporate headquarters had long since been built and was in full operation.

Oh brother! Just read the Internet. Your claim that FreeBSD's kernel is Mach is prima facie absurd.

Do you enjoy being retarded? Never did I say that the FreeBSD kernel is Mach based. Darwin however uses components of both kernels.

Why don't you try learning something rather than resulting to writing pure gibberish.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

OK, I'll bite. (none / 0) (#75)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 08:23:42 PM PST
1. Please Give up the defense of your definition for "invented." I've already told you Sony manufactured the 3.5" disk for Apple.

2. The Mach kernel is not the FreeBSD kernel. The kernel in Evolution is the Mach kernel. Therefore etc. FreeBSD relicensed Linux device drivers for Evolution. These drivers run in kernel "space" (/rolls eyes) so we'll call it a draw. Still, you were wrong.

3. I write VisualBasic and FoxPro apps for a living. You merely post invective on the internet. Therefore etc.


gimme a break (none / 0) (#76)
by detikon on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 11:44:02 PM PST
1.) Apple was not into standards (ie the Twiggy drive and Widget hard drive). The invention/development of a larger storage drive was done independently. Sony maintains the specification and holds all patents and trademarks on that specification. Apple holds none. In other words Sony did not simply manufacture it.

2.) Nobody said the Mach kernel is the FreeBSD kernel. Trying to add confusion to your posts eh? Perhaps you meant to say the Mac (as in Macintosh) kernel is considered to use the FreeBSD kernel. However, since it shares many components of the Mach kernel it's resulted in an endless debate even within the development community involved with Darwin.

Relicensing can only be done by the original author of the work unless the drivers are public domain or exist under a very unrestrictive license. Your whole entire argument is flawed as you originally claimed that the Mac OSX kernel was the stolen relicensed Linux kernel (not drivers) renamed Evolution. I suggest you re-read your lasts posts. And why do you continue to call it Evolution? It's Darwin jackass.

3.) You don't do shit.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
Sir, you are wrong, take II (none / 0) (#29)
by jvance on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 11:58:52 PM PST
Apologies to all. Preview is all screwed up for me - it's including all the html in the preview page past the textarea as part of the comment, and it got me all confused.

MacOS X is in fact based on Linux. Or, more specifically, the BSD version of Linux. See links here, here, and here, from one of the most respected and knowledgeable commentators on Adequacy.

You're not calling him a liar, are you?
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

I won't call him a liar (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 02:22:03 AM PST
But an ignorant asshole a thousand times (while he does know more than the average).


 
Umm... (1.00 / 1) (#6)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 07:40:05 PM PST
Can you name one computer industry innovation from Microsoft that they haven't bought, stole or badly copied?

And no, Microsoft Bob and Clippy don't count.


No problem. (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Aug 18th, 2002 at 11:48:27 PM PST
MS Comic Chat.

But that's just one. There are more, of course.


 
Well known... (none / 0) (#37)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 02:23:15 AM PST
The fault tolerant user.


 
Altair basic (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 10:03:34 AM PST



Which did absolutely (none / 0) (#47)
by detikon on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:23:01 PM PST
nothing beyond allowing you to flip some switches and watch the lights on the front panel blink.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Question: (none / 0) (#49)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 04:57:06 PM PST
Beyond what point in the history of computing must an event have occurred for you to consider it an innovation?

The introduction of the Apple Macintosh, perhaps?

You nerds sure get angry when people call bullshit on your stupid claim that Microsoft has never innovated.


 
Listen to you all..isn't it rather pathetic? (5.00 / 2) (#13)
by PotatoError on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 02:58:36 PM PST
How can you expect Linux, maintained by thousands of people dispersed all over the globe to be the single, solid entity that the Windows operating system is - An operating system maintained by thousands of people within direct contact, in a structure and heirarchy.
<P>
If you want Linux to be that single entity rather than the many distributions and variants that it is, then you are wanting an impossibility.
<P>
The Windows and Linux development process is very different.<DT>
Microsoft comes up with a load of ideas but in discusions, will decide which ones are bad and only develop the good ones (usually!)
<P>
On the other hand, there is no real organising body for Linux developers so you get all the ideas developed whether they are good or bad. Through a kind of natural selection by users, the good ideas prosper and the bad ideas fall.
<P>
This is why Microsoft Windows and MacOS develop slowly but steadily forwards and Linux is more unsteady in its progression.
<P>
I find this difference one of the best qualities of Linux. I'm not saying it is better than Windows - just different.
<P>
Sure there are people who are obsessed with Linux but there are also people who are obsessed with certain makes of cars or certain football teams but I don't see half as much argument directed at them.

<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

That's because... (none / 0) (#14)
by jvance on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 03:25:06 PM PST
...most Chevy owners aren't filthy bearded weirdos badly in need of delousing... eh, nevermind.

So here's my current (theoretically ownable) dream car. If only it were 400 lbs lighter. Sigh.
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What? (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 03:29:00 PM PST
What does weight have to do with it?


Everything! (none / 0) (#25)
by jvance on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 11:15:25 PM PST
A 3100 lb car that makes 320 hp and 275 lb ft of torque is a rush. A 2700 lb car with the same specs is a road terror!
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

Oh yes. (none / 0) (#39)
by derek3000 on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 08:09:11 AM PST
Those things are very, very sweet. Some nights I dream of being in the SCCA, with a type-T friend by my side to help me navigate.


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"Feel me when I bring it!" --Gay Jamie

 
Of course, (none / 0) (#17)
by because it isnt on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 03:42:29 PM PST
you and the missus could lose 200lbs each.

Just a suggestion.
adequacy.org -- because it isn't

I won't speak for the missus, (none / 0) (#26)
by jvance on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 11:19:42 PM PST
but if I lost 200 lbs I'd have to carry around a 50 lb weight to keep from floating away. And it's bloody hard to carry things when you're dead.
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Adequacy has turned into a cesspool consisting of ... blubbering, superstitious fools arguing with smug, pseudointellectual assholes. -AR

 
Death To the New York Yankees! (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 03:31:05 PM PST



 
Shocking. (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 09:00:17 PM PST
It occurs to me that you aren't the real potatohead, that the real potatohead ran away in a flurry of tears, and that you people are pretending to do good work for America by being mean, possibly evil.


 
FFS, that's *ugly* (none / 0) (#18)
by gordonjcp on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 05:29:47 PM PST
Clashing colours, fuzzy fonts, general look and feel of MacOS of two generations previous... Yep, real groundbreaking Windows stuff.

Meanwhile, those of use who actually have *work* to do stick with Linux or Windows 2000.


What a joke! (none / 0) (#45)
by MessiahWWKD on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:06:50 PM PST
Meanwhile, those of use who actually have *work* to do stick with Linux or Windows 2000.


Considering that Linux has clashing colors, horrendous looking fonts, and the look of Windows 3.1, you really have some nerve even mentioning it. Besides, how can you ever accomplish real work on Linux when you're too busy trying to compile the fucking kernel to support your LAN?
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Call me anachronistic... (none / 0) (#60)
by gordonjcp on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 02:04:53 AM PST
... but I *liked* the Windows 3.1 widgets. Not the "Program Manager", that was bloody horrible. But the overall look of it was clear and logical.

I've never had to compile the kernel to support any LAN stuff, but even if I do recompile a kernel it takes about 4 minutes - less time than Windows takes to reboot when you change the LAN settings.

No, I just don't like Windows XP. It looks awful, it's slow, and it's hard to use. Windows 98 is for Counterstrike, Linux is for work, XP is for children...


 
Sorry but I don't get it... (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 06:52:09 PM PST
I don't see how its even realted picture... it looks like some anime freaks windows xp desktop... uh could a more enlighten reader please tell me whats that picture to do with the end of open source?
And I don't its going to be the end, since linux, is being used by computer companies in other countries to make cheap easy computers. Since Linux is almost free, and the source code can be change to better fit the language of the country I can't see linux ever going away.
P.S. Please excuse my mis spellings, I am on a lap top in car at this moment and I am kind of in a hurry.


You are all pervs! (none / 0) (#20)
by MessiahWWKD on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 08:44:53 PM PST
I'm not talking about the wallpaper. Even Linux finally supporters the usage of wallpaper. I'm talking about Windows XP's capabilities of shadows, per pixel alpha transparency, lighting effects, among other things that can only be seen in movement. None of that stuff can be done on any Open Source shit.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

if they wanted it (none / 0) (#27)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 11:34:04 PM PST
If Linux based OSes were popular enough on the desktop space maybe that would warrant the time to include it. Linux is used in the real world and in the real world people usually turn that resource hungry shit OFF.

Besides it doesn't say much when you used things like shell replacements, heavy-duty theme managers, etc to achieve that look.

It also seems you haven't ever used linux (espcially recently). You'll notice that a lot has changed in both GNOME and KDE as well as the other window managers.

Besides, you won't see an end to open source anytime soon. Who would keep Microsoft on their toes when the glance over security threats? And where would they get their code from? Without things like BSD they wouldn't have a networking stack (the MS one really tanked) or a web browser without Mosaic.


What applications I use doesn't matter. (none / 0) (#43)
by MessiahWWKD on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:01:52 PM PST
If Linux based OSes were popular enough on the desktop space maybe that would warrant the time to include it. Linux is used in the real world and in the real world people usually turn that resource hungry shit OFF.


Stop making excuses for Linux being obsolete. Besides, people dress up their desktops. I have yet to see one person in the real world turn off all the "resource hungry" options.
Besides it doesn't say much when you used things like shell replacements, heavy-duty theme managers, etc to achieve that look.


Isn't it funny how Linux advocates always want to compare a default installation of Windows XP to a highly optimized version of Linux with shell replacements such as KDE or GNOME, yet refuse to compare them both on the same level? Fine, let's compare a default installation of Windows XP to a default installation of Linux. That means no XFree86, no KDE, nothing except the Linux kernel.

The point is, even with all the Linux shell replacements like KDE and GNOME and other third party applications on Linux, you can't come close to what I have on Windows XP because the technology is built into it while Linux is simply out of its league.
It also seems you haven't ever used linux (espcially recently). You'll notice that a lot has changed in both GNOME and KDE as well as the other window managers.


GNOME and KDE still pale in comparison to Windows XP. You can't do on Linux what I can do on Windows XP.
Besides, you won't see an end to open source anytime soon. Who would keep Microsoft on their toes when the glance over security threats? And where would they get their code from? Without things like BSD they wouldn't have a networking stack (the MS one really tanked) or a web browser without Mosaic.


Each example you mentioned happened last century. You're living in the past. Open Source is obsolete.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

When exactly... (none / 0) (#48)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 01:47:31 PM PST
Did you change your mind about Linux? The 14th of september, 2001?

The 13th, you wrote:
The advantages of Linux are revealed once again!



The link is dead... (none / 0) (#78)
by The Mad Scientist on Fri Aug 23rd, 2002 at 02:31:19 PM PST
...but in Google Cache it lives still!


 
What a laugh riot (none / 0) (#50)
by detikon on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 05:11:42 PM PST
Stop making excuses for Linux being obsolete.

Since when has Linux been considered obsolete, except by mindless Microsoftites? Amazingly enough more and more corporations are embracing Linux and adding features to it. HP is increasing compatibility between HP-UX and Linux as it phases out Compaq's Tru64. IBM and Sun are doing the same with Solaris and AIX.

I have yet to see one person in the real world turn off all the "resource hungry" options.

So let me get this straight. If you don't see it it's not there? Can you see the air you breathe? Many installations of WindowsXP are on systems that can't handle those resource hungry features. Numerous reports have been written about organisations turni8ng off unnecessary bloat or sticking with W2K as they don't need the crap in XP.

Isn't it funny how Linux advocates always want to compare a default installation of Windows XP to a highly optimized version of Linux with shell replacements such as KDE or GNOME, yet refuse to compare them both on the same level?blah blah blah more stuff about default installation and such

Default installation? Apparently you don't remeber posting on the site you link to that the screenshot was the end product of shell replacements, theme managers, ObjectBar and third party icons. Default installation my ass.

You also want to argue the installation of a complete OS suite (which includes a window manager, and various other apps not necessarily tied into the shell) to a kernel. Yeah that makes since. No let's compare GNU/Linux (hyaving nothing to do with the GPL but simply meaning the GNU system using the Linux kernel. In actuality you seem more likely to compare a stripped down installation of an OS suite to a full suite like Windows. Perhaps we should argue kernel to kernel. If so the Windows kernel can't do that shit either.

GNOME and KDE still pale in comparison to Windows XP. You can't do on Linux what I can do on Windows XP.

Like what allow you to sit in your parent's basement and play with Stardock shit all day? If Linux based OSes were consumer based OSes then there would be a need to put a whole lot more effort into say KDE or GNOME. However, if you really want more comstumization of the desktop than any thrid party Windows offering I suggest you move beyond KDE and GNOME and look to AfterStep, OpenStep, or WindowMaker.

Each example you mentioned happened last century. You're living in the past. Open Source is obsolete.

No matter if it were yesterday you and others like you would still claim it happened 10 years ago. Funny how even when it's a bug in XP it happened years before Microsoft was even founded. Ok, let's talk recent events. How about SSL and Microsoft continually glossing over it while others have fixed the problem? I'm just wondering if the boys at Microsoft can really say "Trustworthy Computing" with a straight face.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

This is why I hate Nazis. (none / 0) (#52)
by MessiahWWKD on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 10:21:51 PM PST
Since when has Linux been considered obsolete, except by mindless Microsoftites? Amazingly enough more and more corporations are embracing Linux and adding features to it. HP is increasing compatibility between HP-UX and Linux as it phases out Compaq's Tru64. IBM and Sun are doing the same with Solaris and AIX.


Big fucking deal. Nobody cares about those obsolete OSes either.
So let me get this straight. If you don't see it it's not there? Can you see the air you breathe? Many installations of WindowsXP are on systems that can't handle those resource hungry features. Numerous reports have been written about organisations turni8ng off unnecessary bloat or sticking with W2K as they don't need the crap in XP.


Reports from nerds on Slashdot don't count, and that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of computer users like customizing their desktop you jackass.
Default installation? Apparently you don't remeber posting on the site you link to that the screenshot was the end product of shell replacements, theme managers, ObjectBar and third party icons. Default installation my ass.


I have no problem comparing a highly customized version of Linux to a highly customized version of Windows XP. Are you dyslexic?
Like what allow you to sit in your parent's basement and play with Stardock shit all day? If Linux based OSes were consumer based OSes then there would be a need to put a whole lot more effort into say KDE or GNOME. However, if you really want more comstumization of the desktop than any thrid party Windows offering I suggest you move beyond KDE and GNOME and look to AfterStep, OpenStep, or WindowMaker.


As I said before, You can't do on Linux what I can do on Windows XP, even with AfterStep, OpenStep, or WindowMaker!
No matter if it were yesterday you and others like you would still claim it happened 10 years ago.


It's typical of a Linux nazi to use a strawman argument.
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you make me laugh (none / 0) (#53)
by detikon on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 11:27:56 PM PST
Big fucking deal. Nobody cares about those obsolete OSes either.

Just like a Microsoftite to believe that every OS is obsolete save Windows. I suppose they just keep them around to keep the corporations safe from giant security holes in Windows huh?

Reports from nerds on Slashdot don't count, and that still doesn't change the fact that the majority of computer users like customizing their desktop you jackass.

Yes many home users likely do. They like picking their own desktop wallpaper and possibly moving beyond that. However, in the real world where people do actual work those features are turned off. Many times the user is prevented from even changing the wallpaper let alone their desktop theme. Gee uh duh.

I have no problem comparing a highly customized version of Linux to a highly customized version of Windows XP. Are you dyslexic?

No however, this wasn't your original argument. You were trying to compare apples to oranges not default to default or customized to customized. I would love for someone to post some amazing screenshots. That is if anyone wants to waste their time rather than using their OS productively.

As I said before, You can't do on Linux what I can do on Windows XP, even with AfterStep, OpenStep, or WindowMaker!

Your claims mean nothing. It would not be that difficult to implement those features as most of the work is taken care of by the video card chipset, firmware and accompanying software. Windows simply tells the video card to do what where. It's not insanely difficult to add those features to any OS.

It's typical of a Linux nazi to use a strawman argument.

You just don't like it because it's true.

I've wasted enough time with you. Of course when you consider that your computing experience is equal to that of a trained monkey it can get rather difficult to shut you up. You have resulted to blatant bullshit to attempt to make a point. What's next? I would love to read it.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

Why do idiots always names that start with Det? (none / 0) (#57)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 12:28:42 AM PST
Just like a Microsoftite to believe that every OS is obsolete save Windows. I suppose they just keep them around to keep the corporations safe from giant security holes in Windows huh?


You love to put words in people's mouths, don't you? I never said all OSes are obsolete except for Windows. I know that OS X and FreeBSD are still used. Why do Linux nazis resort to lies?
Yes many home users likely do. They like picking their own desktop wallpaper and possibly moving beyond that. However, in the real world where people do actual work those features are turned off. Many times the user is prevented from even changing the wallpaper let alone their desktop theme. Gee uh duh.


No however, this wasn't your original argument. You were trying to compare apples to oranges not default to default or customized to customized. I would love for someone to post some amazing screenshots. That is if anyone wants to waste their time rather than using their OS productively.


Where did I say that I was comparing a highly customized version of Windows XP to a default installation of Linux?

By the way, it is funny that you speak of using an OS productively, while conveniently ignoring the fact that the time it took me to install and customize Windows XP is half of the time it would take a person to properly configure Linux.
Your claims mean nothing. It would not be that difficult to implement those features as most of the work is taken care of by the video card chipset, firmware and accompanying software. Windows simply tells the video card to do what where. It's not insanely difficult to add those features to any OS.


Talking big means nothing. Maybe when decent looking fonts can be implemented into Linux without resorting to stealing the fonts of Microsoft, I'll take that ridiculous claim seriously.
You just don't like it because it's true.


Actually, it's untrue. I'll ask again. Why do Linux nazis love to spread lies?
I've wasted enough time with you. Of course when you consider that your computing experience is equal to that of a trained monkey it can get rather difficult to shut you up. You have resulted to blatant bullshit to attempt to make a point. What's next? I would love to read it.


You make no sense.
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good one but not (none / 0) (#62)
by detikon on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 02:27:53 PM PST
never said all OSes are obsolete except for Windows. I know that OS X and FreeBSD are still used. Why do Linux nazis resort to lies?

That's funny as you stated before that open source is obsolete. Funny how FreeBSD is open source. It amazes me that Linux also enjoys a larger market share than FreeBSD. Hell even Microsoft admits that. Get your facts straight. Where did I say that I was comparing a highly customized version of Windows XP to a default installation of Linux?

Everywhere! You want to sit there and compare KDE and GNOME yet fail to offer up any type of screenshot of a highly customized desktop running either of those window managers. I've seen desktop screens using WindowMaker that put third party shell replacements for Windows and customized desktops to shame.

You also try to convince everyone that a default installation of Windows beats out Linux. Hello! Linux is a kernel and default installations vary depending on the installation method. Default doesn't mean with KDE or GNOME.

By the way, it is funny that you speak of using an OS productively, while conveniently ignoring the fact that the time it took me to install and customize Windows XP is half of the time it would take a person to properly configure Linux.

Shows how absolutely little that you know about Linux then doesn't it? I can get most any distro up and running in pratcially no time. And I don't need someone else to configure it for me.

Talking big means nothing. Maybe when decent looking fonts can be implemented into Linux without resorting to stealing the fonts of Microsoft, I'll take that ridiculous claim seriously.

Why make all brand new fonts when Microsoft made widely used recognizable fonts freely available for anyone to download? If you want to get really nice fonts that are available for any platform you can visit numerous sources. Actually, it's untrue. I'll ask again. Why do Linux nazis love to spread lies?

Who's spreading lies? You claim that such falws were a century old. Gee that's older than Microsoft. It's amazes me how a flaw in Windows XP which was released in 2001 could be considered 10 years old by now.

You make no sense.

Now that's funny. I've shot down every attempt at an argument that you have made. You wanna try some more?




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

You're a virgin, aren't you? (none / 0) (#64)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 03:38:51 PM PST
That's funny as you stated before that open source is obsolete. Funny how FreeBSD is open source. It amazes me that Linux also enjoys a larger market share than FreeBSD. Hell even Microsoft admits that. Get your facts straight.


I stated that Linux was obsolete. I never said that Open Source was obsolete. Get your facts straight you, virgin.
Everywhere! You want to sit there and compare KDE and GNOME yet fail to offer up any type of screenshot of a highly customized desktop running either of those window managers. I've seen desktop screens using WindowMaker that put third party shell replacements for Windows and customized desktops to shame.


How does me not wasting the time on Linux state that I'm comparing Windows XP to a default installation of Linux? I think comparing my screenshot of Windows XP to a screenshot of Linux that I took would be quite biased, considering that I might happen to miss some amazing WM you mention even though they're all ugly and unusable.
You also try to convince everyone that a default installation of Windows beats out Linux. Hello! Linux is a kernel and default installations vary depending on the installation method. Default doesn't mean with KDE or GNOME.


Your version of default involves not using the default settings, eh?
Shows how absolutely little that you know about Linux then doesn't it? I can get most any distro up and running in pratcially no time. And I don't need someone else to configure it for me.


And in half that time, I could have Windows XP installed and ready to go.
Who's spreading lies? You claim that such falws were a century old. Gee that's older than Microsoft. It's amazes me how a flaw in Windows XP which was released in 2001 could be considered 10 years old by now.


Have you checked your calendar lately? I also didn't state that they were a century old. Can you stop putting words in my mouth? I stated that each example you gave happened last century!
Now that's funny. I've shot down every attempt at an argument that you have made. You wanna try some more?


No, you've simply lied and put words in my mouth.

Please, Virgin Detikon... Stop LYING!
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

According to the screenshot, so are you. (none / 0) (#65)
by because it isnt on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 04:04:52 PM PST
Girlfriend simulation games are not known for being for the entertainment of the deflowered.
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Is everybody obsessed with my wallpaper? (none / 0) (#66)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 07:22:04 PM PST
It seems that way.
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No, just you. (none / 0) (#67)
by jvance on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 08:06:26 PM PST
You're the one who's so obsessed you made it your background wallpaper. The rest of us are just taking cheap shots, like this:

Look at that wallpaper. What a pathetic, whining jungfrau.

But, judging by your interests in S&M, that's exactly the sort of abuse you're looking for, right? Glad to oblige!
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I do have an interest in S&M (none / 0) (#68)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 10:28:51 PM PST
However, I have no interest in S&M involving other men! Only women for me!
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Two minor corrections. (5.00 / 1) (#70)
by jvance on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 10:58:51 PM PST
1) Your post should read "However, I have no interest in S&M involving men! Only other women for me!"

2) The link you provided for "women" is erroneous and points to a completely unrelated website.

HTH
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big words but here's proof (none / 0) (#69)
by detikon on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 10:48:27 PM PST
I stated that Linux was obsolete. I never said that Open Source was obsolete. Get your facts straight you, virgin.

I have collected a few comment lines along with links to the posts.

None of that stuff can be done on any Open Source shit.

Each example you mentioned happened last century. You're living in the past. Open Source is obsolete.

Big fucking deal. Nobody cares about those obsolete OSes either.

I'm sure if I wanted to waste more time I could find some more in other threads as well. However, this thread alone shows that you have no real knowledge of computing and you don't bother to re-read your own dribble and enjoy making an ass out of yourself.

By the way I have a lovely wife and kids. Can you say that? No you're probably too busy jerking off to your anime desktop.

I think comparing my screenshot of Windows XP to a screenshot of Linux that I took would be quite biased, considering that I might happen to miss some amazing WM you mention even though they're all ugly and unusable.

What's amazing is that KDE alone allow you to customize the desktop anyway that you want. Try getting a great BeOS look-a-like without a complete shell replacement on Windows. How hard is it to post a link to the official WindowMaker homepage to show example of this then? Should I provide links to customized desktop for you? Here's some very basic customization for ya 1 2 3 4

Your version of default involves not using the default settings, eh?

What default settings you fucking idiot? Linux varies on what platform and it's purpose. Maybe you're talking about Linux on the desktop. Still that question makes no sense. Only mini distros have any real defaults as they all install graphical and most use KDE. Major distros like Red Hat, SuSE ask you to make choices such as what window manager you want to install or if you want one at all. Defaults what defaults? That has to be the dumbest question yet. Of course if you had actually ever even seen a linux install let alone use it (as you claim) you would know this.

And in half that time, I could have Windows XP installed and ready to go.

That's funny because if I simply answer some basic question and check only a few boxes (rather than picking what pakages I'd like to install and those I'd rather not) I can have SuSE up and running in about 15-20 minutes on a Celeron machine with 128MB of RAM. A "default" installation of Windows (letting it install everything under the sun as it does unless you select what to install a what not) can take 30 minutes to an hour. And depending on the version you have to sit through repeated reboots which further increases the time. Hell that's on a P4 2.2MHz system with 256MB of RAM and retail boxed version.

Have you checked your calendar lately? I also didn't state that they were a century old. Can you stop putting words in my mouth? I stated that each example you gave happened last century!

First off beyond SSL I didn't mention any examples. However, I can bring up the whole PnP thing if you like too. Oh and forgive me that you want to say century for an event that would have happened three years ago. So what do you call problems for W2K, Windows ME, and XP? The SSL flaw discovery is less than a month old and MS is STILL sitting on their hands. Check the reports, this year alone Microsoft software has seen 61 major flaws reported by third parties (excludes first party discoveries). Amazingly enough Linux has seen almost half that and most of those were Red Hat specific. MS took forever to fix even a majority of those and downplayed the threat of others. Now what!?!

No, you've simply lied and put words in my mouth.

Funny, this post shows that I have rather [once again] proven you to be a giant ass.




Go away or I will replace you with a very small shell script.

 
Windows networking stack (none / 0) (#59)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 12:47:49 AM PST
Windows hasn't used BSD networking code in almost a decade. The 16bit tcp/ip that MS used in pre-win32, pre-windows95 versions of their operating system was BSD based. Since then, Microsoft have obtained their tcp/ip code from commercial sources. The mark of the true linux zealot is that he never revises his verions of events, no matter what happens in the real world.


complete bullshit (none / 0) (#74)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 07:15:51 PM PST
Ever heard of Winsock? I suggest you read the ABCs of TCP/IP at the Microsoft Website.

Now shut up and make me some pie!


 
Revelation. (none / 0) (#38)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 02:31:54 AM PST
I'm talking about Windows XP's capabilities of shadows, per pixel alpha transparency, lighting effects, among other things that can only be seen in movement.
Now I understand why so many people throw their PC by the windows.


 
*YAWN* (none / 0) (#21)
by DG on Mon Aug 19th, 2002 at 08:49:09 PM PST
This is so boring.. Would you guys stop beating this dead horse? Tell me what the hell does some anime perverts desktop have to do with anything?

Hmm, or are you lusting after some badly drawn images messiah? for fucks sake stop trolling no one cares what windows zealots think.. hell i don't care if linux people think windows is going down eather


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Are you an idiot or simply a pervert? (none / 0) (#44)
by MessiahWWKD on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 12:04:21 PM PST
What is it with everybody obsessed with the wallpaper? For Christ's sake, that wasn't what I was talking about and you all know it!
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Well (none / 0) (#54)
by DG on Tue Aug 20th, 2002 at 11:49:54 PM PST
What are you trying to say then? I bet half the people are wondering what the hell your diary entry has to do with linux, other than the same mindless FUD and drivel, that is posted everyday on this site.

2002, DG. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Pictures speak a thousand words. (none / 0) (#58)
by MessiahWWKD on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 12:30:37 AM PST
In other words, one screenshot has destroyed every argument Linux advocates have for their obsolete operating system.

P.S. Using the word FUD makes it obvious that you are a Linux nazi and are not prone to reason.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

If it's pictures you want, (none / 0) (#61)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 02:11:26 AM PST
then the Apple Mac wins once again.

Admittedly, I use this as the backdrop on my Linux PC. But we can all dream, can't we?
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Pictures may speak a thousand words (none / 0) (#63)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 02:36:40 PM PST
But it's worth nothing unless those thousand words make any sense.


 
What's your argument? (none / 0) (#72)
by gordonjcp on Thu Aug 22nd, 2002 at 09:11:47 AM PST
I don't see how an ugly, cluttered desktop makes Linux obsolete.

Windows XP can't handle changing network settings without rebooting. Now *that* is obsolete. I'll ask you again, since you didn't really answer my other post. How does a garish background and badly antialiased text make Linux obsolete?


 
Too bad none of the words are logical (none / 0) (#79)
by DG on Mon Aug 26th, 2002 at 04:09:52 AM PST
Come on your basic post is this. "I like to troll about how much linux sucks, the companys will make no money from linux.

They should all just curl up and die even though i have no proof, except this nifty screen shot that shows how much i like windows."

Now you just retracting everything saying you weren't basing this on how "cool" the pic was?

never use anime to prove how cool something is, anime=bad
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Err sorry... (none / 0) (#56)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Aug 21st, 2002 at 12:17:17 AM PST
But In till linux can run all my favorite games and all the games coming out, my money is in microsoft. I think microsoft could beat out linux any day. Since most kids now play video games and computer games, in the next year when we have lawyers and other high income works playing computer games... believe microsoft will find a market since I can get any computer game to work with it, I've only seen on verison of a game released on linux, and it took about a year to get it on it.


 

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