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What should China do with its MS software?
Use the CDs as costers 0%
Cheap platics frisbees 0%
Wind chimes 10%
Donate manuals to homeless, along with matches 40%
All of the above 50%

Votes: 10

 Linux Camp to Gain...a Country!

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Jan 04, 2002
 Comments:
And not just any country. China seems to be cleaning up its act, and switching to Linux.
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They're trying to save money. (none / 0) (#1)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:21:13 AM PST
Just think of all the tax payers they loose every year.


 
Of course they are (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:46:05 AM PST
They're communist state capitalists, after all. What did you expect?


Indeed (none / 0) (#3)
by zikzak on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 01:44:46 AM PST
More proof that Lunix is most easily associated with totalitarian, socialist states with abysmal human rights records. A happy day for the hackers indeed, now that they can apply their skills in a manner directly conflicting all the USian ideals we hold dear. I hope Linux Toravaldez is pleased to be a contributor to religious persecution and the rampant murder of female infants.


 
you seem to have confused... (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 02:10:06 AM PST
...acceptance of you favorite OS with the size of your penis.

If one needs for some reason to run unix on PC hardware, the one rational choice is BSD. Period. The OS integration, security record, disciplined development, configuration sanity, lack of bloat, amount of research and innovation characteristic of BSD variants is not matched by any Linux system.

Linux distributions are ill-conceived, badly thrown together hodge-podges of anarchically developed, bloated software from dozens of different sources that don't necessarily talk to each other. BSD projects are integrated, well planned operating systems, with all parts maintained together and carefully managed in a publically-accessible central CVS server, which authoritatively documents every single change ever made to any component of the system in one place. The difference, for those who can see it (not that many, see below), is clear.

People who are into Linux are:
  1. Skr1pt k1dd13s. Criminals.
  2. People who have only a halfway understanding of Unix, lack crucial clues, and think they are 1337 because they run Red Hat or Mandrake. This is the most vocal "advocacy" contingent.
  3. People that have been suckered by the (2) contingent, are not zealots but still advocate Linux more moderately because it does help them in their jobs or whatever. They tend tohave a reasonable amount of knowledge, but still lack some crucial clues. They run the same horrible distros as the (2) people.
  4. People who have most of the clues in the book, but still lack a few (most of which the book does not give you). They run something like Debian or Slack. Actual Linux developers are typically in this group.
  5. people that have been suckered by (3) or impressed by (4), but lack any clue whatsoever, and end fucked-- Linux victims, like those "freed" by Linux Zealot.



no RH or Mandrake (none / 0) (#5)
by NAWL on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 03:37:45 AM PST
Chinese won't be using Red Hat or Mandrake. They will be using a distro that has government support and endoresements up the yin-yan (or ying-yang depending).

It's called Red Flag Linux




Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

 
All I want... (none / 0) (#7)
by because it isnt on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 11:06:08 AM PST
is a UNIX OS, that isn't broken into three rabid factions, and that has support for NVIDIA graphics cards like the GeForce 2. Is that too much to ask?
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Chinese aren't stupid. (none / 0) (#6)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 10:15:18 AM PST
Additionally, with the backing of Chinese manpower, Linux could get quite many improvements.

And, with the American tendency to sneak backdoors and other means of enforcing their will into next to everything, it is no wonder that US-based closed source software hadn't earned much of credibility in the rest of the world.


China's the good guys, eh? (none / 0) (#8)
by MessiahWWKD on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 11:39:46 AM PST
Yes, America is evil because of your unfounded claims of Microsoft purposely adding backdoors to their products. China, meanwhile, must be a great country since it supports Linux. You want to know why it supports Linux instead of Microsoft?
1) Microsoft is an American company. They don't want to support America and freedom.
2) With Linux, they can manipulate the source code to add backdoors and simply "hush" anybody in China that finds out about them.
3) ESR, RMS, and LT all support communism, while Bill Gates supports capitalism.
I seriously wish you anti-American Linux using bastards would actually live in these perfect communist countries you praise so much. America might not be perfect, but neither is China, even if it does support a primitive operating system.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Wake up. (none / 0) (#10)
by tkatchev on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:29:52 PM PST
Americans wouldn't recognize "freedom" and "capitalism" even if it bit their collective asses. From the point of view of civilized countries (and no, "civilized countries" doesn't include the U.S. and China) China and the U.S. are both hegemonistic state-capitalist empires run by oriental despots. Just because you have white skin doesn't mean that you can partake in two millenia of Christian, European culture.


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anti-American Linux using bastards? (none / 0) (#13)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 01:02:06 PM PST
Yes, America is evil because of your unfounded claims of Microsoft purposely adding backdoors to their products.

Not exactly. Microsoft is evil because they don't allow independent audit of their products, and intentionally "embrace and extend" standards. They are generally despicable.

China, meanwhile, must be a great country since it supports Linux.

China is a dictatorship. Similar kind America is heading to be. But at least they can do something good (in this case, Linux development).
After all, if China would be Really Bad, they wouldn't get WTO membership, nor various IMF/WB loans, nor preferential treatments in foreign trade. You remember those discussions if it was good thing to grant them ones. So either China is not as bad, or USA is not as good.

You want to know why it supports Linux instead of Microsoft?

Because they don't want to line Billy's pockets? Because they got fed with perpetual forced upgrades? Because they got fed with permanent security holes, and general reluctance of The Vendor to patch them? Because they got fed with having to trust the foreign vendor, instead of being able to audit the code themselves?

1) Microsoft is an American company. They don't want to support America and freedom.

Microsoft is an American company. Which means their primary interest is to make buck; everything other is secondary for them. There are unclear relations between Microsoft and US governmental organizations; remember the "NSA key affair". This is problem that is not MS-specific; see the Lotus backdoor affair.

2) With Linux, they can manipulate the source code to add backdoors and simply "hush" anybody in China that finds out about them.

You can much easier sneak a trojan into proprietary closed software. You even don't need to modify the code much; just hook a system call. With proprietary system, you are practically out of luck as you would have to do full audit of binary code; with open source system, the backdoors will be revealed sooner or later, and hushing the whole world is a bit difficult; once the word gets out, they can prosecute the one who released it (if s/he was careless), but they can't put the genie back to the bottle.
But, similarly to America not being the whole world, China isn't the whole world too. A single leaked CD of Red Flag Linux can be enough for code audit by programmers outside of China, out of Chinese jurisdiction. I have some experience with the Chinese firewalls, their chance to stop influx of this information, once public, is zero.
However, I suppose the encryption systems of Red Flag Linux will be either missing or crippled; but I think the relevant libraries will be quickly imported.

3) ESR, RMS, and LT all support communism, while Bill Gates supports capitalism.

Raging capitalism is just a way to screw the people. It's only advantage is that it fragments and decentralizes the decisionmaking processes (which isn't too true anymore, with all the mergers and takeovers, but the problematics of oligopolies and crypto-monopolies is out of the scope of this thread), thus providing fallback modes against bad material-supply decisions.
What will you do with your 401(k) account, surely mostly in stock, in case of catastrophical stock market crash?

I seriously wish you anti-American Linux using bastards would actually live in these perfect communist countries you praise so much.

Anti-american? Against blanket spying on people? Against denying them access to informations? Against denying poorer nations access to cheap drugs? Agaisnt bombing innocent nations? Against screwing the poor?
If so, I am anti-American. I am Linux-using, and pretty happy with it. And if it means I am a bastard, well, then I am one. Come on, bomb me!

America might not be perfect, but neither is China, even if it does support a primitive operating system.

So why not? Let's take whatever good China offers, use it for our own good, arm ourselves with computers, and overthrow (or at least keep them from advancing their positions) the wannabe dictators that want to rule us, regardless if their stars are yellow on red, yellow on blue, or white on blue.


What about England, Russia, China, etc.? (none / 0) (#22)
by MessiahWWKD on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 04:22:49 PM PST
China is a dictatorship. Similar kind America is heading to be. But at least they can do something good (in this case, Linux development).


True, America isn't perfect, but to say that it's turning into a dictatorship such as China is ignorant and are simply made, because you're pissed off by the DMCA. How could America be becoming less democratic, when more people can vote for the leaders of America, even the Senate now, than before? Although America might be becoming less free in some ways, it is also becoming more free in others.
Raging capitalism is just a way to screw the people. It's only advantage is that it fragments and decentralizes the decisionmaking processes (which isn't too true anymore, with all the mergers and takeovers, but the problematics of oligopolies and crypto-monopolies is out of the scope of this thread), thus providing fallback modes against bad material-supply decisions.


I agree that extreme capitalism is bad, but extreme communism also is.
Anti-american? Against blanket spying on people? Against denying them access to informations? Against denying poorer nations access to cheap drugs? Agaisnt bombing innocent nations? Against screwing the poor? If so, I am anti-American. I am Linux-using, and pretty happy with it. And if it means I am a bastard, well, then I am one. Come on, bomb me!


What pisses me off about the anti-Americanism of Linux users is that you act as if other countries are innocent of similar acts that America has done, even China. America isn't the only terrible country in the world, especially when you think of the dirty British. When you guys start realizing that, you guys will be taken more seriously.
Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end.

Secondary targets next round. (1.00 / 1) (#25)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 06:32:23 PM PST
True, America isn't perfect, but to say that it's turning into a dictatorship such as China is ignorant and are simply made, because you're pissed off by the DMCA.

And proposed SSSCA, and patent laws, and encryption laws, and - mainly - the attempts to enforce them outside their jurisdiction, or push them into international treaties (or, as I in some cases like to say, threaties).

How could America be becoming less democratic, when more people can vote for the leaders of America, even the Senate now, than before? Although America might be becoming less free in some ways, it is also becoming more free in others.

Slightly different sort of dictatorship; not based as much on politics as on the economy. Be quiet citizen, make and spend money, don't question the official policies, and bend to each new Law - even a clearly bought one, and you can have nice life. If you don't happen to be fired. Errr, downsized. Errr, rightsized.

Right to vote isn't everything as well. When the available choices mean either minor derivations of the same thing, or clearly have no chance, it's a bit tough luck. The pre-election promises are empty words, there is no liability for the candidate for not following them once elected, after election the politician often sharply changes his orientation. (See Dubya getting from moderate right to rather far right.) The campaigns themselves are done by advertising experts, the same people that peddle us cookies, cars, and chewing gum brands, sometimes even using unfair tricks. Both the major parties' promises are designed the way to be appealing to the most of people, so they are often strikingly similar. (Hence Repucrats and Demoblicans.) The corporations pour soft money to the pockets of the representatives of both the parties, which neatly ensures that regardless who wins, he will be "owing". The other parties are left as underdogs. They have small chance to win, so nobody bigger wastes money on them. Their budgets are tighter, so they can't afford to mount large-scale campaign. As a result, they have small chance to win, and the circle is closed. The rest of eventual chances to get their voice out is then neutralized by unfair means.

It's sometimes being said that the USA has only one party, the Business Party, with republican and democrat factions. High level of apathy about politics, which leads to low voter turnout, is only a logical result.

I agree that extreme capitalism is bad, but extreme communism also is.

Agree here. Any regime can fall over to totalitarian stage. It's why I propose free networks and anonymity and anarchy - to keep counterbalance; naturally marginalized when the society is happy and healthy, growing when under oppression.

What pisses me off about the anti-Americanism of Linux users is that you act as if other countries are innocent of similar acts that America has done, even China. America isn't the only terrible country in the world, especially when you think of the dirty British. When you guys start realizing that, you guys will be taken more seriously.

You are right here. (Don't let me start on British RIP Act, or on German and French corporations buying our manufacturing plants, in order to later "rightsize" and even later shutdown them - see Cegelec vs CKD Semiconductors.)
However, America is the biggest one, influencing or attempting to influence everyone. Perceived as the World-class Bully[1], it aids and harbors the multinational corporations and financial organizations (perceived as the bullies as well, often there isn't clear difference who's who so occassionally America gets the flak that belongs to the World Bank or some multinational) that are more and more influencing the world politics, quite often with counterproductive results. Naturally, it attracts all the flak. The cost of being a symbol.

Principially the same situation is with Microsoft. There are other companies using similar tactics, but they aren't big enough to be real problem, and so they don't have the status of the Prime Time Adversary. Watch the Secondary Targets getting their deserved attention after neutralizing of the Primary Target (though it is probable that after reintroducing the fair market rules, they will play fair again). Rule of the warfare: don't unnecessarily fragment the efforts.

[1] An example; when an OSN resolution against human rights violations on Cuba was being prepared, our diplomats attempted to include a paragraph criticizing the impact of US embargo. Within couple hours, Powell phoned our president, and personally intervened that it is Bad Thing To Do. After some political tug-of-war, we as usual bowed to our Bigger Friend, and dropped the paragraph.
See also another example, this time about machinery industry. A contract that was ok only an year back, even consulted with the US administration who acknowledged it, suddenly wasn't ok (which weirdly followed the crude oil price rise of 2000). My queries to the Parliament what exactly are the "reprisals" that Washington promised if we wouldn't comply remained unanswered; so it is quite possible our Elected Representatives cowardly caved in to an empty threat.
Similar case, couple years before, with power plant turbines. Nobody dares to stand against our Transatlantic Friend, like nobody dared to stand against Soviet Union's will.
Another case, passive radar system, code name Tamara. (Our radar technology was the best from the Eastern Block - ie, we reportedly were the first nation to spot SR-71 on radar.) Accusing the management from some sort of economical crime, suspension of the licence to sell military materials, after several years cleaning of the charges - meanwhile the company went to shards; Rumour Channel - in this case, quite reliable (I could tell you why, but only face-to-face and not on record) - said Washington pulled the strings. Meanwhile, Lockheed Corp. worked hard on development of the same system, highly probably using data gathered from reverse engineering of a shipment of Tamaras that got seized in some port by US agents.


 
what pisses me off (1.00 / 2) (#39)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 01:58:48 PM PST
These discussions.... are provocative if not worse... they are all about microsoft vs. linux or is it just me.

China... hmz communism is just evil because the paper the tv your mums yer dad and everyone else THAT YOU KNOW is saying it's evil I think ppl should think for them self and not let someone else influence your thinking completely.

Communism can be good with a good leader a leader that isn't corrupt wich means doesn't care about having enough money. WHO ON THIS FORUM DOES NOT CARE ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH MONEY AND IF POSSIBLE MORE?? (I bet that those are few that actually arent as most ppl do care about having money) you can't just have communism in a world that wants to help that country if it's getting poor who sez getting poor is bad. it's only bad if you need supply's from ppl outside the country.

If the whole world would be communistic and only one would be democratic (and it would not work because of corruption and whatever) all those country's with communism would say that the democrats suck and should all die...

This nonsence is leading no where your thoughts are your thoughts but why post them if they are found stupid anyway???


communism would only work... (none / 0) (#50)
by derek3000 on Mon Jan 7th, 2002 at 08:24:20 AM PST
if people wanted to join the society. It's not fair to force people to do something against their will; ie. work for other people.

Think about this for a second -- if your definition of fair is 'everyone gets the same', then the communist leadership might choose Windows. And you wouldn't have a choice. It might choose to have church worship every other day. You can't say no. You may work very hard to build a cool invention, and then someone comes along and steals it. It's their property too, right? This is not a question of corruption. It's a question of choice. No matter how honest a leader may be, his idea of what is 'good' might be fundamentally different than yours. And if it isn't, it'll be fundamentally different from someone else's.

What's more fair is to give everyone the same opportunity to succeed or fail. I know that capitalism isn't hip--you don't get to demonstrate at this convention or these trade talks--but give me a solid argument as to why communism is better. It's not possible. Maybe voluntary communism, but that is not a soceity, just a community.




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Linux (1.00 / 2) (#38)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 01:48:01 PM PST
is not evil u pppl just go on and on about these things microsoft makes a good product wich is made for the big consumer wich knows NOThING and doesn't have to know anything. The linux user knows more or wants to know more

Software Isnt for a certain country software is global opensource or whatever

mind that the new windows XP proffesional full and buying that means u have to spend nearly 450 dollars to just get it. then u don't even have office XP or any other software. no wonder ppl switch to other MORE STABLE OS's....


The punctuation has deserted you! (none / 0) (#41)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 02:06:06 PM PST
And taken your lucid thoughts with it. Software Isnt for a certain country software is global opensource or whatever

You are an incorrect opinion or whatever.


 
s'true, s'true (none / 0) (#12)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:45:15 PM PST
Additionally, with the backing of Chinese manpower, Linux could get quite many improvements.

In theory, you can rewrite all of Linux until it works. In practice, precisely the wrong sort of people are attracted to Linux to make this even remotely possible.


 
Question! (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by elenchos on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:26:09 PM PST
Since Lunix is used by the Communist Chinese for the purpose of furthering their goal of world conquest and total destruction of America, doesn't that basically make Lunix a Chinese Communist tool now? (As if it weren't already.)

So if a hacker makes an "improvement" (we can assume by luck, rather than skill) in Lunix, isn't he helping the Communist Chinese to destroy America? Every line of good code you put into Lunix is a knife in the back of the proud American Eagle, soaring high above our beautiful land, fighing terrorism (fighting all alone, I might add), spreading peace and freedom, and bringing justice to the entire world.

Hackers should all be arrested for treason, or at least deported to Communist China for Un-Americanism.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


And... ? (none / 0) (#14)
by because it isnt on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 01:22:22 PM PST
isn't he helping the Communist Chinese to destroy America?

You make it sound like there's something wrong with this. I say: good on the plucky chaps in Beijing!

This is yet another way for Linux to stick it to "the man", and free our oppressed brothers.
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We do get a lot of terrorists posting here. (none / 0) (#15)
by elenchos on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 01:43:21 PM PST
Why is that? Are we on some kind of a traitor's list of must-see sites? It's actually a good thing. It makes it easier to keep an eye on you.


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


He's not a terrorist. (5.00 / 1) (#16)
by tkatchev on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 01:47:41 PM PST
Rather, I think he is British.


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Peace and much love...




Wait... (none / 0) (#17)
by Winter on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 03:10:22 PM PST
There's a difference?


Yeah. (none / 0) (#18)
by tkatchev on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 03:22:51 PM PST
Terrorists are usually brown-skinned and bad-smelling.


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Peace and much love...




no. (none / 0) (#20)
by PotatoError on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 04:04:09 PM PST
I wear plenty of deodrant.
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

See? (none / 0) (#26)
by Winter on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 09:45:16 PM PST
That's why you can't just assume things like that! Some people always break the mold.


 
thats for the NSA to decide, not you (4.00 / 1) (#19)
by PotatoError on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 04:00:12 PM PST
if you go to www.terroristlinks.lix this site is mentioned.

Of course unless you use the terrorist/hacker/communist operating system, linux. You cant access the .lix domain. sorry.
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

How to make it work? (none / 0) (#21)
by The Mad Scientist on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 04:13:35 PM PST
You need something more than Linux.

You need to somehow set up your DNS resolver.

How? Any link to a HOWTO, or at least a strong keyword?


sorry (none / 0) (#24)
by PotatoError on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 05:13:56 PM PST
I dont own my DNS resolver - it belongs to my ISP. Big poo as I cant access the outside world :(
<<JUMP! POGO POGO POGO BOUNCE! POGO POGO POGO>>

 
did you even read the article? (none / 0) (#28)
by NAWL on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 10:12:14 PM PST
Yes they so want the destruction of America. That's why they joined the World Trade Organization. I guess all that crap about better trade relations with the US is just bullshit huh?




Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

Oh noooo...! (none / 0) (#30)
by elenchos on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 12:23:29 AM PST
Communist China is our trusted friend and partner. They only want what is best for us. If only more Americans would lie down quitely and accept all the good, kind things the Communists are doing to help the USA.

What a dream. The Communist-Lunix-UnAmerican Dream. What a dream to for anyone to have...


I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill


maybe in the future? (none / 0) (#31)
by NAWL on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 01:17:26 AM PST
When will Americans like you realize that Linux is a popular OS and is more stable and secure than Windows. Oh I know. Maybe when every country EXCEPT America has adopted linux for most of services.

Be a pure American and don't play the market. Especially anything to do with the New York Stock Exchange. They run Linux you know. And don't send anything through the US Post Office. They run Linux too. Both have been running Linux quite sometime.

Now what? Are you gonna blame the economy on Linux? Yeah it's Linux and had nothing to do with the DOT-BOMB (run by dumbass MCSE that thought they were God's gift to IT) or 9/11.




Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

 
Red Hat for Red China. (5.00 / 2) (#11)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 12:40:15 PM PST
Tell us something we dont know.


a little mistake on your part (1.00 / 1) (#27)
by NAWL on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 10:08:39 PM PST
It's not Red HAT for China. It's Red FLAG. They are two different distros put out by two different commercial entities.




Hey, if you consider the fifth grade your senior year, what else can you be besides a pompous jackass?

read the GPL, my sorry friend (5.00 / 2) (#29)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 11:12:11 PM PST
Nothing prevents Red "Flag" from downloading Red Hat and accurately calling it Red Shit. Since all Linux "vendors" package the same worthless Open Source software, all Linux distributions are the exact same fucking thing and it makes eminent PR sense to call Linux after it only "profitable"[1] representative, Red Hat.

[1] RedHat saw black after its strategic purchase of a few profitable non-open source companies. 97.76% of all people continue to use something other than Linux so it's unclear if Red Hat goes tits up this year instead of next.


Market percentages (none / 0) (#34)
by because it isnt on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 07:51:42 AM PST
97.76% of all people continue to use something other than Linux so it's unclear if Red Hat goes tits up this year instead of next.

It's not really that important to a Linux distribution company how many people use Linux out of all other OSes. What's important is the percentage of Linux users that use their distribution.

I know they try to teach you otherwise in American schools, but let me tell you: you don't have to be a giant globalized corporation in order to make a tidy profit. You can make a profit even as a 1 person company selling to a market of 10 people.
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basic math (none / 0) (#42)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 02:20:06 PM PST
It's not really that important to a Linux distribution company how many people use Linux out of all other OSes. What's important is the percentage of Linux users that use their distribution.

First, let us be frank and admit that a 0.24% marketshare is indistinguishable from "nobody." Now let me see if I understand your argument. Red Hat isnt concerned about the fact that nobody uses Linux, it is concerned about what percentage of nobody uses RedHat?

Well, its a Lunix plan, alright.


rounding errors (none / 0) (#43)
by because it isnt on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 03:50:17 PM PST
First, let us be frank and admit that a 0.24% marketshare is indistinguishable from "nobody."

Remind me never to employ you as my accountant.
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my CV isnt in the mail (none / 0) (#44)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 03:59:39 PM PST
Accountants dont work for anyone whose idea of business is to sell what they give away for free on the Internet. Red Hat doesnt employ accountants, they employ hackers who, as we all know, become experts on everything immediately after their first successful "Hello World" program in Perl.


The Internet: all sweets are free (none / 0) (#45)
by because it isnt on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 05:33:25 PM PST
Accountants dont work for anyone whose idea of business is to sell what they give away for free on the Internet.

Britney Spears's latest album can be found for free on the Internet, but I don't decry Sony (or whoever her record company is) for trying to sell it. Neither should you.
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prisons: room, board and sex for gratis (5.00 / 1) (#46)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 05:50:30 PM PST
Britney Spears's latest album can be found for free on the Internet

And listened to in prison?

Britney Spear's latest album certainly is not being given away for free. You are confusing acceptable losses due to hacker theft with a profitable business plan. The insight you are missing is that Linux cannot be stolen because it cannot even be given away for free -- 0.24%, remember? In other words, Linux is not an economic good.


Courtney Love "does" the "math" (none / 0) (#47)
by because it isnt on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 08:33:00 PM PST
0.24%, remember?

So. 0.24% of 'people' use Linux, you say. Well, that's 0.24% of 7 billion, which is 16.8 million people.

If I could get 16.8 million people to give me $50 for what is essentially a free product, I'd be quite happy. Wouldn't you?
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7 billion?! (none / 0) (#48)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 09:08:15 PM PST
No wonder the air is thin. First 7 billion people do not run computers, 7 billion people do not even live; and the considerable majority of those who do live, live without electricity. Second, 0.24% of Linux users do not buy Linux, Linux is free. Finally, those who do use Linux, use it on multiple "boxen" by their own admission, which means your market of 7 billion copies of Linux has shrunk to 87 sales for RedHat.


Now you're just making it up (none / 0) (#51)
by because it isnt on Tue Jan 8th, 2002 at 08:47:31 PM PST
87 sales for RedHat.

Well, they managed to rake in $100 million gross in sales last year, so that must be 87 pretty big sales.

By the way, their SEC filing is loaded with delightful statements you could use instead of making stuff up, in the "Factors affecting future results" section. Top risk: "Our open source business model is unproven".
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Sorry but you dont know jack shit (1.00 / 2) (#37)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 01:42:23 PM PST
about software linux or whatever please stay out of it if you don't know what the topic is about...


Indeed (none / 0) (#40)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 02:01:08 PM PST
I am not acquainted with Mr. Jack Shit, but if he is a logician unlike your miserable self, he would point out the difference between an abject denial and an argument.


 
Sirs, (none / 0) (#23)
by Martino Cortez PhD on Sat Jan 5th, 2002 at 04:52:21 PM PST
NAWL, I may remind you that your posts are borderline trolling. As you know, this is strictly prohibited by this site's constitution.

You report that our communist loving country China, who is renound for the beatings of it's citizens, has installed this mere joke of an operating system. Yet the article (of dubious reliability) does not mention how many of these so called computers where even capable of running modern, lighting fast operating systems such as Microsoft Windows (tm). Instead, we the readers are only left to assume that this bass-ackwards country is running hordes of stolen 386's running your underground "32-bit" operating system. I for one applaud them. This move will make them easier to take over in the eventuall third world war, where the United States revolts against it's long time oppressors.


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Lunix: empowering Big Brother since 2002 (none / 0) (#32)
by em on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 06:22:48 AM PST
I can just imagine the Chinese keeping tabs on dissenters with Linux, MySQL and Pearl. I wonder what fields they have in their tables for democratic dissenters...
--em
Associate Editor, Adequacy.org


No fear. (none / 0) (#33)
by tkatchev on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 06:38:27 AM PST
They can just "borrow" the time-tested system from Slashdot.


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Peace and much love...




 
Democracy in China (none / 0) (#35)
by The Mad Scientist on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 11:42:29 AM PST
Don't forget the Free West has tradition of "supporting" Chinese democracy and dissent.

Especially well-known in this regard is the World Bank, which loans are - with their knowledge - used for building monitoring infrastructure, Nortel, who supplies the network equipment, and Oracle. These two for IT, and unknown-to-me British and American companies that supply "traffic" camera monitoring systems, the kind that was responsible for convicting - and later executing - organizers of the Tienanmen Square demonstration.

No. The West has full mouth of being all pro-democracy, throwing "bombs of peace" here and there, and dumping their ideals when they can make buck.

Linux can at least help trickle some of the IT power down between the people.


huh!? (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 12:40:48 PM PST
IT power

Ah haha, ha ha, ha. Ho, ho, ha, ha, ho. Ah hahaha, ha.

*snore*


 
tongue in cheek. (none / 0) (#49)
by derek3000 on Mon Jan 7th, 2002 at 08:10:04 AM PST
I guess they would be the same fields in your tables for Communist dissenters.
Sounds like moral relativism to me.




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Yank my chain. (none / 0) (#52)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 11:15:33 PM PST
One anonymous reader commenting on another anonymous reader.

1st, I do not know where you get that 0,24% from, I guess those statistics try to count together all OS's sold since the 50's. "Lunix" marketshare is prettymuch impossible to calculate precisely.

2nd All those M$ fans out there should stop whining about Linux. Basic Capitalist theory concludes that in any market the existence of competition improves the goods manufactured and lowers their consumer prices. Therefore every M$ user should consider the fact that if his SW is good, then he also has guys like Linus Torvalds, Scott McNealy, Steve Jobs and Larry Ellison to thank for that.

3nd, 0,2% of 0,5 billion (worldwide active computer users) equals a million clients, As an IT enterpreneur I must admit I am a total fool for often targeting user niches MUCH smaller than a million. Infact, I target a niche of about 20 000 individuals, who are more than enough to pay for my Yaht, Mercedes Benz, upscale appartment, 4 kids through college etc.

An anonymous IT-millionaire who has found that it is better to sell for a 50000$ to 20000 clients each than to every cretin for a nickel.


 

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