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I like...
Boursin 11%
Smoked Apple Cheddar 0%
Some other French cheese I forgot the name of... 22%
that oily American yellow-coloured food product. 22%
Pork. 44%

Votes: 9

 Fish and Chips

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Sep 15, 2001

In light of recent events, my desire to escape the United States has been stronger than ever before. As a socialist, an anarchist, and an atheist (all of the 100% non-violent variety), I am made extremely uncomfortable by the situation surrounding me. The attack of the WTC and the Pentagon have left me just as upset as anyone; in fact, I have been so deeply disturbed by this act of horror that it has kept me from being able to function normally for days. The added probability that at least some religious zealotry was involved in the attack only upsets me further. In a world where I already despise the horrible acts religion moves people to commit, I am only sent into despair at the talks of jihad by Islamic leaders, and the proliferation of prayer and Bible-quoting by the President and a large portion of the American public. I seem to be a minority of one, but I found the Bible quoting by the President in his address on the night of the attack to be a bad move. If indeed these terrorists were on a religious mission, it is a Holy war they want, and calling everyone to the Church and to quote Christian verses is -- in my opinion -- just playing into their hands. The people should be free to seek the church on a small scale for comfort, for sure. But to quote the Bible on the night of a perceived attack by those of Islamic faith seems a grave mistake. There are already beatings, harrasment, and attacks on Muslim-American citizens going on as I write. Once the religion card has been played on both sides, all hope for rationality and restraint will be completely lost. Religion and a rational, logical mind simply cannot co-exist. On a large scale, this is an extremely frightening prospect.


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That being said, of course, I hope for the best and fear the worst. At present, the praying all over television, gushing about God on the radio, and ranting about Those Evil Muslim Terrorists is making me ill. Driving home from work, I was literally surrounded by American flags on cars, antenna, stuck at every intersection, hanging in store windows...hundreds of them. Everywhere. It is as if I went to sleep and woke up in my worst nightmare. I am submersed in a bunch of overly-Patriotic, war-happy Texans banging their drums and screaming for blood before the dust has even settled in New York, and overwhelmed by hundreds of miles of people who are literally shocked to find out there is a person on the planet who does not believe in God (besides the heathen Muslims). I am stuck in a sea of God-loving goobers, and too poor at this point to escape. Not that they don't have a right to be God-loving goobers, but I wish I could go to another planet so that I wouldn't have to be subject to their wars over who has the better invisible friend.

There isn't any good cheese here, either. I'll be damned if I can find a European cheese shop. The wonderful land of Canada whet my appetite for other cultures, and that oily crap they sell wrapped in plastic just doesn't cut it any more. (Not that I ever ate it to begin with.) The only boursin to be found comes in a small cardboard box and costs a small fortune. You can forget finding it in mass quantities at a cheese counter. They only sell La Vache Qui Rie in one flavour -- bland -- and they actually print "The Laughing Cow" on the package for the generally stupid Americans. Even Minneapolis had a better selection than exists down here in the South. Minneapolis is mostly full of liberals, feminists, vegetarians, new-agers, and hippies, so the gourmet and organic groceries stocked a wider variety of foods that haven't been through a hundred stages of processing. Because, you know, processing food is bad. And stuff.

Anyway, my Irish friend has been making a point of tormenting me. I have never felt like I belonged here much, and currently that feeling is only being made infinitely more intense. I have taken to the idea of going to parks and drawing outside, and have been passing my card out to anyone who shows interest in my work. I am more and more fervently making plans for my escape. In the meantime, he sends me random snippets of poetry and stories/descriptions of various parts of Europe he has been to in an effort to accomplish... I don't know what.

I dream of a land where everyone talks funny. Because, you know, that is the real reason why I want to live there. The hick accents of the southern US tire me. My voice is a subtle collage of a Southern drawl, with a bit of a Canadian twist, and the fast-dissipating effect of a Minnesotan long O. Not to mention my curious pronounciation of the letter a, which seems to be a hangover from doing countless different accents and strange voices in drama class and improv comedic acting. My spelling, despite accusations to the contrary, is more Canadian than British, because it is my understanding that they spell the word tyre, which I do not actually do. I would not attempt to say I have British spelling, since I am sure I do not know much at all of the differences between the two. I have, however, read much Canadian magazines and literature, and prefer their spelling to the American. I imagine once given the opportunity to learn British English, I would completely switch...but that is really not important to the point.

The point is that I want to leave, now more than ever. I will work constantly if I have to, and take to the streets and beg if that is not enough. I am already doing everything I can. Only if I could live in a place where everyone laughs at the way I talk! I would do spot-on impersonations of George W for their amusement. I could stomp around in my cowboy boots and call everyone pad'nah. Then I would go down to the grocery and buy some boursin and pumpernickel rolls and eat that for brunch. I also want to live where the trees change colour. They don't do that here. They did in Minneapolis, but it was rather boring because I was too distracted reminding my co-workers that I was going to have a large chunk of dead animal flesh for lunch, while putting on my fur coat to go outside. Ah, those were the days.

So... I want to go home. I want to see things older than a superficial couple of hundred years. I want to feel history. And I want some decent cheese. But most of all, I want to hear people that talk funny.

And I forgot to work it into this article, but sucks.


Religion and cheese. (4.66 / 3) (#1)
by iat on Sun Sep 16th, 2001 at 03:15:05 AM PST
Religion and a rational, logical mind simply cannot co-exist.

That's ridiculous. Many of the world's greatest scientists were Christians. It's possible to have religious faith and still be both rational and logical. Although, as a self-confessed athiest, you may not be able to understand the religious beliefs of others, it does not meant that the religious are necessarily drooling halfwits with inferior mental capacity.

The only boursin to be found comes in a small cardboard box and costs a small fortune. You can forget finding it in mass quantities at a cheese counter. They only sell La Vache Qui Rie in one flavour...

Laughing Cow and Boursin are not "good chesse" (I'll probably get sued for saying that, but it's my opinion). They're mass-produced, heavily processed and contain all sorts of additives. If you want decent cheese, you'll have to go to a traditional market rather than a supermarket (that's assuming you even have markets in USia). The sort of cheese you'll get from the market cheese stall won't last as long before going mouldy, because it is free from preservatives, but it will have infinitely superior flavour and texture. The difference between cheese from a proper cheesemonger and the mass-produced stuff from a supermarket is huge, and Boursin etc won't taste the same after trying real fresh cheese. - love it or leave it.

Cheese. (4.00 / 2) (#2)
by jin wicked on Sun Sep 16th, 2001 at 03:29:38 AM PST
Okay, I am just messed up from being forced to listen to so much religious ranting in the last several days. I think the problem is that not enough people are like Xian scientists and let superstition get to them... Not enough rational and logical religious people. Or at least we could use more of that type. I'm not saying they're stupid, I just think sometimes they let their beliefs get the best of them when perhaps a more detached, objective approach would be better...anyway, I'm too tired and preoccupied with cheese to continue on that thread.

That being said, I hardly see how boursin is not good cheese. The boursin I had was from a European cheese shop in Toronto (I'm guessing exactly what you're thinking of.) The stuff they sell here comes in a little cardboard box at the supermarket and says "product of France." What I was lamenting was a lack of over-the-counter cheese markets here. It's not mass produced, that's for sure -- I got about three tubs of it from one market, and then another one from a different place. You should've seen my face when I ate a peppercorn and had no clue what it was or why something that tastes like grass was in my cheese. I refused to touch any more of that boursin. But the good stuff from the first shop... I have been craving that for weeks now. I don't think it's much different from packaged Kraft cheddar vs. real chedder purchased at a cheese shop. *remembers apple-smoked cheddar* Mass-produced "boursin" in the cardboard box vs. the heavenly (peppercorn-free) stuff from that cheese shop in the Kensington Market. *sigh*

And I don't care what you say, those little mushroom flavoured Laughing Cow bite-sized pieces are yummy. :P

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

Word of advice: (1.66 / 3) (#3)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Sep 16th, 2001 at 01:13:17 PM PST
As someone who has lived in France for some time, let me tell you -- "La Vache Qui Rit" is not cheese. Real cheese is immediately identifiable by the smell. In fact, I don't advise you to even think about trying real cheese. For the unprepared person it might be psychologically damaging. Really, being able to eat "real cheese" is something that you need to grow into from birth, one of those unique cultural identifiers that are inaccessible to foreigners.

I'd advise you to stop making a jackass of yourself and stick to McKraft "American" Cheese.

Dear Jin: (4.00 / 6) (#4)
by zikzak on Sun Sep 16th, 2001 at 01:21:43 PM PST
Here is a bit of free advice that I am sure you will promptly ignore.

Stop externalizing all the things you dislike about yourself. Figure out what it is about you that makes you unhappy. Then you'll be free to travel for the right reasons instead of doing it to run away from yourself.

Tell me (2.66 / 3) (#7)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 07:35:28 AM PST
are you an asshole in real life, too, or do you practice just for the internet? That comment had absolutely zero to do with anything I wrote.

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

A Question (4.00 / 1) (#17)
by Peter Johnson on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 11:35:35 AM PST
How can an American hate America without hating themselves? How can you be ashamed of the culture that produced you, that defines you without being ashamed of who you are?

I'm sure you have an explanation.
Are you adequate?

Speaking on "Production" (3.50 / 4) (#19)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 03:14:38 PM PST
This culture produced me the same way you get a carpet burn if you keep dragging your ass across the rug. Adversity produces character, but that doesn't mean we should make everyone's life a living Hell so that they can be a bit more interesting.

Years of emotional and physical abuse from my parents produced me. A nightmare of 12 years of American public school (and the horror that comes with it) produced me. Being routinely lied to day in, day out produced me. Years of being forced to participate in things I didn't want to do produced me. Being abandoned over and over produced me. Years of having Christian ideas crammed in my face and being treated like crap because I didn't want to attend Christmas and Easter church, that produced me. Years of believing the whole world was this way, and that there was no possible way to escape this suburban nightmare -- that crushed me. Yes, I want the Hell out, and if I don't get out it will eventually kill me. It sucks away my spirit, my will to live, my creativity, my energy and my life. I am going to leave, and not you, or anyone else is going to stop or dissuade me. My mind is made up. Native Americans belong here. Screw you guys; I'm going home.

I have been to other places and I have seen places that are different. I have met people that appreciated my talent instead of trying to tell me I'm some kind of freak. I am what I have become and personally, I like what I am. I am content with what I am. I MADE MYSELF WHAT I AM, BECAUSE I PRETTY MUCH WAS GOING TO COMMIT SUICIDE IF I DIDN'T CHANGE. (Oh, by the way, this is what a large portion of my artwork is about! *light bulb goes on over your head*) But what I have become does not belong here. This is not my home, these are not my people, this is not my country and this is not my God.

I've listened to people tell me my whole life that I was ugly, lazy, irresponsible, a failure -- Christ, I was a virgin at 15 and my mom thought I was a whore. Parents accused me of stealing her wedding ring -- I've never taken a thing in my life without permission. I get fanmail now from the assholes that treated me like shit when I was in high school. Do I forgive them? Hell no. They just treat me nicely now because of how I look. They haven't changed a bit.

Don't even get me started on my attempt at attending "college" in the states. I'd pretty much given up on higher education and the "college" experience. But you know what? I happen to have made acquaintance with many non-American University students. AND THEY'RE DIFFERENT. They actually go to school because they want to learn! It was a wonderful, wonderful day for me the day the sun broke through the clouds and I learned that places and people like this existed.

Not you, or anyone else, or especially a bunch of people hiding behind computer screens are going to tell me the only reason I hate being here is because I "Hate myself" or something, because that is a load of shit. You drive down to Houston, you have coffee with me. You ask me about my past and about my life. Because I know not a single one of you could say the crap you do about me, or try to put me through the Hell you do, if you had to look me in the eyes when you said it. I am tired of putting up with people's petty jealousy and bored, cruel commentary. I have had enough of that for twenty-one years, thanks! Next time anyone -- and I am not necessarily referring to anyone specific -- has something to say about me, you stop for a minute and you think DAMN hard. Because if you don't have something that you're willing to say to my face, then I don't want to read or hear it.

I work my ass off because I have goals and I intend to live them out. I, for one, have had it with the little misogynist twits (again not referring to anyone specifically) that feel so threatened by a female with talent, initiative and self confidence that they feel the need to go around bashing them on message boards. And you goobers have the nerve to wonder why more girls don't participate in your idiotic web forums. My name is Jin Wicked, you can see me, you can read what I have to say, and if you want to argue you can call me on the damn phone. And you can friggin' log in and at least admit to who you are if you want to pick a fight.

That's it; I'm done.

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

Birth is a painful process (none / 0) (#24)
by Peter Johnson on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 04:59:04 PM PST
The first breath you take is said to be the most painful experience a person can have. That's why newborns scream. And that first breath also guarantees that one day you will breath your last. That to is likely to be painful.

None of this means that your mother hates you though.

Are you adequate?

No retraction (none / 0) (#26)
by zikzak on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:22:55 PM PST
I stand by my original advice even more strongly now.

You will never be truly happy until you learn to deal with who you are and where you came from. You aren't dealing, you're running.

And it will always follow you. No matter how far or fast you run, it will always be there. A huge black mass weighing you down forever. You can not escape it.

Unless you learn to deal with it.


I'll be in Houston on Wednesday. You wanna grab some coffee?

Didn't think so.

Send a private message and a photo (none / 0) (#29)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:46:28 PM PST
and I'll think about it.

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

Both (4.00 / 1) (#18)
by zikzak on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 11:41:36 AM PST
I am an asshole in real life, too. My guidance counselor always said I should devote myself to the things I'm good at, and I'm really good at being an asshole.

Oddly enough, my comment was sincere and, while not exactly friendly, was intended to be helpful. I am a bit older and wiser than you, and I have heard arguments just like yours many many times. In every case the root source of discontent is internal.

The world really isn't as bad as you make it out to be, Jin. Or at least it isn't that bad in the ways you claim it is. If you can tolerate the music of REM (and I certainly won't fault you if you can't), try listening to 'Stand' a few times.

hmm... (5.00 / 2) (#5)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 02:38:23 AM PST
Religion and a rational, logical mind simply cannot co-exist.

It should be pointed out that, historically, christian monks are responsible for a good deal of the work in logic until Boole and Frege came along in the late 19th century. For most of its existence, Logic has been a subject investigated almost exclusively by theologians.

The hick accents of the southern US tire me.

This is an extremely bigoted statement. There is nothing "hickish" about accents in and of themselves.

My voice is a subtle collage [...]

The implicature that other people's voices are "unsubtle" flies in the face of the fact that, even today, modern science understand precious little of the complexities in even the voices you'd judge as belonging to "hicks".

[...] of a Southern drawl, with a bit of a Canadian twist, and the fast-dissipating effect of a Minnesotan long O.

Hmmm. I can't find "fast-disspating effect" in the index of Ladefoged's A Course In Phonetics.

The wonderful land of Canada whet my appetite for other cultures

Some advice: stay away from Québec. Those french canadians are total hicks. They can't pronounce even the word "third" properly (they say "turd"). They speak really barbarous french, worse than hick English. Please stay away from us, er, them.

Austin, TX (4.50 / 2) (#6)
by Electric Angst on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:18:06 AM PST
You want to get away from the zealtous, bible-thumping Christians who surround you, you want to be in a more liberal, accepting society, and you want to again experience the European flavor of your time in Canada (I have a feeling the brits laughed their asses off at that one.) Well, I've got the answer for you, the one place where you can go and seek refuge in this state of madmen:

Austin, TX

Yes, that's right, Austin. Not only are we the state's biggest concentration of Feminists, Pagans, leftists, freaks, geeks, and generally well-educated liberals, but also has the best night-life in the state, tons of great live music, theatre, and arts. We're the West Berlin of civilization here behind the iron curtain of Texas. Hell, even the rednecks here are all right. They're the long-haired, pot-smoking, former hippies who spend their summers with Willie Nelson and would never harm a fly. Of course, if you still want to head out to Europe, this city has served as a launch-pad for young Americans for years (like my older step-sister, who helped build a large company in Italy after leaving Austin). You're sure to find plenty of resources and networking information, to help ease the transition between continents

Just don't mock Bob Ross, or we'll have to kill you.

In the dark times, will there still be singing?
Yes, there will be singing. There will be singing about the dark times. -- Bertolt Brecht

She won't come (none / 0) (#16)
by zikzak on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 11:24:34 AM PST
As soon as she finds out I live here, surrounded by my impressive collection of Thomas Kinkade limited edition signed prints in the frame style of my choice, she'll high-tail it back to Houston.

Besides, as much as I dislike Houston it is still one of the most culturally diverse cities in the US. Unfortunately for Jin that diversity is almost totally non-European. You have to be content with the cultures of South & Central America and Asia.

I've been to Austin... (none / 0) (#20)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 03:42:50 PM PST
I wasn't really impressed with it. It certainly is a much prettier town than Houston, but as far as the rest of it goes... I don't know. I'm not a club/night-life/loud noise person and as far as the arts go, there are two classical stations here and probably just as many or more theatres than Austin has. (That would be assuming I could afford tickets to any of them.) Austin kind of gave me the impression of a college town, like half of the place existed just because of UT being there. I made the road trip twice; the first time someone took me to see all the bats fly out from under that one bridge when the sun started to go down...that was about the most interesting thing I saw. Other than the bats and the fact that it's sufficiently less flat, I didn't notice much else. The food at Katz's made me sick and I am no longer on speaking terms w/ the person I was visiting; I'd rather not ever go there again if it can be helped.

I did like that one street, forgive me for not remembering the name of it, where there is a long strip of second-hand, resale and antique shops. I like that kind of thing, generally -- though at the time I had money to spend. It's not the kind of place I would visit more than once or twice though.

I just make people drive to Houston now. :P Whenever I want to get away, I pop down to Galveston, as the beach is only about half an hour from me, and I sit on the seawall there. The ocean is free.

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

the day that will live in infamy (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:02:40 AM PST
I would like to talk to all of you about the horror that has happened over this last week. This event so shocked America, it stripped away the innocence that was our expectation that we would always stand proud and free. Americans and Freedom-Loving Nations all over the world were shook to the core of their spiritual beings over this traumatic, catastrophic event instigated by evil forces no one can hope to comprehend. While our beloved government is currently throwing all their resources against the evil that caused the unthinkable, I join the rest of America in mourning what we'll never see again, yes folks, you know what I'm talking about, our worst nightmares, the day of infamy, yes, please bow your heads in sorrow when I once again replay what has been seen over and over, (insert reverent pause here) the day Jin Wicked left Kuro5hin. I know all of you mourn with me and stare emptily at the sad blank real estate that was once the K5 icon. I know that you'll join me and wonder how we can go about our lives, we'll never again look upon the triumph of human achievement which was Jin's story submissions, we'll never ever be able to read in awe such marvels as "why programming is not art", or know in intimate details how Jin is changing our lives for the better with her Goddess-like framing of pictures, or recoil in horror from the dastardly spectacle of her horrifically mangled finger, but folks, I implore you, please, we must go about our lives. Perhaps one day the Universe will once again smile upon us and we'll yet again be able to smile, indeed to laugh at another 20yo fem artist-to-be as she relates of how our insignificant little lives cause her to blink upon occasion.

Be strong America, for we will rise again!

PS., is that rev character an asshole or what?


President, Anti Lamer Defamation League, and spiritual advisor to her holiness, Jin Wicked

I knew it. (none / 0) (#23)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 04:50:00 PM PST
They miss me already.

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

I know I do (none / 0) (#30)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:56:15 PM PST
What I did the first few days of the WTC disaster was hit the cancel button many many times. After the 3rd or 4th day, I was able to read some of K5's posts without wanting to reply with streams of obscenity, and at that point simply started slogging away at posts I disagreed with while trying to remain somewhat civilized. I ended up being pretty satisfied, and so far I've been relentless enough to have the last word in several threads ;-)

For what its worth, I do miss your posting there. Why do you think I even showed up here? Think of the pain you've caused the poor adequacy folks by attracting all of us anonymous trolls to what was otherwise a nice gentle haven of world peace and good will, not to mention the sappy sweet huggy-hug tone of their wishywashy posts of Christian utopia? Yes, my dear Jin, controversy follows you, its the price of being an icon.

As for the Europe thing, I think you'd love it, and they really do get off on Americans once you manage to pierce a thin layer of euro-snobbery (and of course, your politics would probably fit right in). I truly enjoyed my time there and hope to return some day.

Griswald, an itinerant, anonymous troll.

K5 (none / 0) (#31)
by jin wicked on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 07:10:38 PM PST
K5's response to the WTC attack literally made me ill. It wasn't the fact that I particularly disagreed with anyone; it was just the general rate of submissions, the fact that mulitple things were being over and over, the hateful stuff and people trying to be funny; just generally making insensitive asses of themselves. It finally disgusted me to the point that I wrote a letter and submitted it to the queue; don't know if you saw it -- it was only there about an hour, maybe two, before it finally bit the dust -- but I got several private e-mails from people thanking me for expressing what they had been thinking.

I can handle many things, but a genuine lack of concern or compassion for other people is one of the things that really does make me sick to my stomach -- even moreso in such a time of loss for so many. Just my two cents...

"Ars longa, vita brevis...Art is long, life is short."

I saw your post (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Sep 18th, 2001 at 12:05:10 PM PST
I liked it. I think I may have commented on it, and was surprised it went away so quickly. K5 is a hotbed of amateurism, so maybe thats why I'm a bit more patient, but I remember the post. (I also think K5 sux for ditching failed posts, but adequacy sux for being IE specific. One of these days there will be the ideal place for me to loiter, even if I have to make it myself.)

Incidently, on the few occasions I've razzed you, you've always had the wisdom to ignore me. For this, you get lots of credit in my book for being relatively unbaitable, in addition to being the lovely specimen of fertility that all of us males know you to be, irregardless of any of our public protests to the contrary. If I lived near you, I'd shower you with Christian love and affection, and of course turn the other cheek as you slapped me silly.

Ok editors, I'm done typing, you can delete this post now.

PPS (1.00 / 1) (#9)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:12:01 AM PST
Does anybody know any low requirement browsers that do not mangle my posts? IE gets tags stripped, NS will not post, w3m will not install, lynx will not browse, good gosh, have I got to sit down and rewrite the entire fucking internet?!?! Its not like I don't have enough fucking work defending Jin against who would torment her and all, but nooOOOoOOO I have to put up with what was once a nice little fucking standard that you fuckheads had to go fuck up with all your fucking font this and css that, for fucking crying out loud, haven't you dickweeds ever even _seen_ a courier font? Damn the world all to hell!@!@!@

If the above tag stays, I swear I'll donate FIVE FUCKING DOLLARS to the charity of Jins choice (her). Shit. I can't believe it. I have to fucking bribe the universe now. Damn bill gates anyway.

Really nice browser. (none / 0) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 09:06:44 AM PST
Try links.

It's what lynx should have been -- fully supports tables, frames, imagemaps, fully multithreaded, has intelligent cacheing and i18n support. All in all, amazing software.

Thanks for the suggestion! (none / 0) (#28)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:37:27 PM PST
I installed the debian links package and my gosh, thats an astoundingly good text browser. (Still get invalid form key posting here tho, I wonder whats up with that?)

Thanks for an excellent suggestion, I had no idea links worked that well, clearly on my list for a standard linux install now.


*ahem* (3.00 / 2) (#10)
by jsm on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:13:40 AM PST
Will the editor who keeps undeleting worthless flames in this diary (you know who you are) please cut it out. Whether you think they're witty or not, policy on this matter is clear and agreed. We are not tolerating harassment or intimidation of our posters.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel,

Ahem (none / 0) (#11)
by TheReverand on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:38:56 AM PST
That is a point by point rebuttal, not a worthless flame.

Please Don't let your ridiculous attachment to Jin cloud your sense.

You're starting to sound like bc for crying out loud.

we don't play favourites (none / 0) (#12)
by jsm on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:48:25 AM PST
for example, I had to delete over 100 spam posts in your diary making what I considered to be needlessly personal remarks about your band. Here at, we believe in tolerance for all. Except the intolerant, of course.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel,

News for Adults. (none / 0) (#13)
by TheReverand on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 08:52:40 AM PST
I believe we are all adults here. And we should be able to take some abuse.

Lord knows I take enough.

I can vouch for rev's statement (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Sep 17th, 2001 at 06:15:17 PM PST
having personally sent abuse his way. To his credit, he apparently holds no grudges.

I think that the moderation should be the feedback needed. However, I don't run things, and will accept deletions (like I have a choice eh?). Having now read Jins life story, I'm more inclined now to help her find the joy in life any way I can, and now apologise for my juvenile behaviour. For what its worth, I find my own posts funny, no matter how devoid they are of humor in reality, and thusly have become a compulsive troll. Were I of any financial means, I'd gladly seek counselling, but given my own personal financial hell, I have no choice but to post relentlessly to the detriment of all. Please have it in your heart to forgive me. On K5, to satisfy my lust for attention, I must be dead serious, and leftist to the extreme, and it is only here I can let the other half of my political and social subconcious run free and naked through the crowded shopping mall of life..



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