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 Is Catholicism to be tolerated?

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Jul 10, 2001
For centuries now, Roman Catholicism has been tolerated (and, in some circles, celebrated) in American society. Yet when people who have serious and legitimate problems with papism attempt to discuss these issues, they are brutally censored by a left-leaning, politically-correct media. Now we've got Adequacy. Now we can discuss these "sensitive" issues in the open. I pose the following question: Has the time come to crack down on Catholicism?

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The biggest problem with Catholics, of course, is their perversion of Scripture. The Catholics laugh at the idea of the Bible as the infallible Word of God; indeed, I once had a papist literally spit in my face when I suggested this. Instead, the papists like to pick and choose parts of Scripture that they like, ignoring much of what remains, and they like to just make things up to fit their ridiculous cultist rituals. In fact, the papist Bible consists of several "extra books" -- written by papists -- to justify their lifestyle. One of these books ("Bel and the Dragon") was written as late as 1933 by Bishop Robert Flanagan, an obvious Irishman. And this is supposed to be the infallible Word of God? The mind boggles. (And what kind of name is "Bel and the Dragon" for a book of the Bible? This is Scripture .. not Harry Potter!)

But I'm not going to spend my time in this article talking about Scriptural perversions. These are well-documented and have been discussed for centuries. I could spend hours upon hours debunking Catholic cultism (incorrect personification of Christ, statue worship, papal deification, salvation through works, etc.) but it would be time spent doing something that has been done by others. Instead, I want to spend some time discussing the societal problems that result from Catholicism. I intend to demonstrate that papism has had a profound negative impact on our society, and that there are very real reasons for wanting to tighten our grip on this dangerous practice.

So let's get started, shall we?

  • The Mafia, and its assorted organized crime bosses, is nearly exclusively Roman Catholic. In fact, the movie "Godfather, Part III" opens with Al Pacino (who depicts a mob boss) receiving a medal from the Roman church, authorized by the Pope himself. Additionally, the movie also depicts a very close relationship between Vatican and the illegal activities of the Corleone crime family. Mob experts have repeatedly testified that the Godfather movies are extremely accurate portrayals of Mafia life.

  • The Romanist religion is heavily supported by Senator John McCain, who is a traitor of epic proportions; this is a man who wants to pass "campaign finance reform" as the first step towards repealing the First Amendment and banning free speech. It is widely believed that McCain's assaults on free speech are to support the efforts of papists who want to make it illegal to write the truth about Catholicism. McCain has also supported a so-called "patient's bill of rights", which is legislation whose sole intent is to put HMOs out of business so that they can be replaced with government-controlled entities. "By your friends shall ye be known," as the saying goes. If McCain is a friend of Catholicism, what does that say about these people?

  • Papists are drunks. The local Catholic priest here has a saying: "I've never met a Catholic that didn't love God, a good drink, and a good fight." (This is coming from a Romanist, you understand!) It sums up, in a rather succinct manner, the chemical dependency that Catholics have on grain alcohol. If you've ever witnessed a Catholic mass, you know that the majority of them are inebriated during worship! Most of them can't even enter the pew without nearly falling over at the waist. And they spend most of the time kneeling on the floor, presumably because they are too drunk to pull themselves up into a normal sitting position.

  • Catholics are required by their Pope to believe in evolution. Frankly, I think it's absurd to suggest that anybody who has read the Bible and takes it seriously can also accept evolution. The Bible is very specific about how the world was created. Evolution says that the universe just sort of poofed itself into place, and then a bunch of rocks just magically turned themselves into our beautiful Earth, and then there was some magical goo floating in a pond somewhere, and it got hit by lightning, and then all of the beautiful creatures (as well as Mankind) just sort of accidentally evolved. Ridiculous Romanist Rubbish. But then again, I guess if you can believe that salvation can come from works alone, you can believe evolution as well. *rolls eyes*

  • The Pope is a politically-correct tool of the liberal left. Every time you turn on the television set these days, you'll see him in some foreign country or another, apologizing for this or that or "reaching out" to other sects and denominations. This is a man who recently was caught in a Moslem mosque. This type of mindset is typical of the liberalist dogma, the people who love the United Nations and its attempts to topple Christianity in favor of a One World Government. We should not have to apologize to anybody for being right, nor should we have "reach out" to anybody. We are right, and they are wrong. And they are bound for Hell unless they change their ways. We should be witnessing, not capitulating to Mohammadists.

Yes, by this point you've probably guessed: I don't like Catholics. I consider them to be rosary-swinging, incense-huffing Vaticanites, and I think it's a shame that they are allowed to sully this country with their execrable dogma and superstitions. The question is: What is to be done about them? Shall we sit back and silently tolerate Roman Catholicism as an "alternative lifestyle", much the same as we do with other perversions? Or has the time come for people of principle to stand up and defend what is right?


Oh man (2.00 / 1) (#6)
by kezgin on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 05:17:08 PM PST
I really fail to see where any of the "points" come from. They fail to prove anything, and to be frank, make very little sense. A little example:

1. the mafia, an organized crime ring, is largely catholic
2. a movie depicts criminal activies between the mafia and the vatican
therefore, catholicism is breeds crime. why? because a movie and some "mob experts" say so.

Make a difference in our society. End it.

Drunks? (3.50 / 2) (#7)
by Victors Monster on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 06:11:40 PM PST
All Catholics are drunks? Are we perhaps making some generalizations here? I think any reasonable person would agree.

Maybe the person who posted this "article," as most people who rail against the ages-old Catholic Church has a problem against organized religion itself. Very likely, the person was brought up in a Catholic family and sent to Catholic schools (where the most vehement anti-Catholics come from, mind you).

I've never heard someone describe the pope as a "politically-correct tool of the liberal left." How would the author explain his stance on abortion, gay rights, etc? An interesting, if comical assertion.

Wait a minute (2.50 / 2) (#8)
by seventypercent on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 06:25:43 PM PST
All Catholics are drunks? Are we perhaps making some generalizations here? I think any reasonable person would agree.

"Any" reasonable person would agree? Are we perhaps making some generalizations here?

Let me guess .. by "reasonable", you mean "pro-Catholic?" Sorry, but I'm not having any.

Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

Re: Wait a minute (4.00 / 1) (#10)
by sputnik on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 07:55:43 PM PST
I know a Catholic that is not a drunk. Your statement is therefore false.

cart before the horse (1.00 / 1) (#12)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 01:32:29 AM PST
That statement is ridiculous on its face. The only reasonable conclusion is that your Catholic actually isn't.

What do you mean? (none / 0) (#14)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 08:07:26 AM PST
Actually isn't a Catholic?

This ain't rocket science (1.00 / 1) (#17)
by seventypercent on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 09:47:54 AM PST
Look, if your friend is not a drunk, he is not a Catholic.


He may claim to be a Catholic, but he is obviously not a True Catholic. I can climb up on the table and claim to be the King of England, but that doesn't mean that there is any truth to the statement.

Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

spot the irony! (none / 0) (#28)
by Nobody on Tue Aug 28th, 2001 at 08:04:17 AM PST
Indeed. Similarly, a man can climb up on the table and claim that America leads the world, but that doesn't mean that there is any truth to the statement.


Well yes, but you see... (2.50 / 2) (#15)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 08:18:59 AM PST
Any reasonable person would find that the original statement was a gross generalization, and that the assertion by the secand statement that the original statement was a generalization, itself a generalization, but a less sweeping generalization, is more easily tested, and far more palatable.

(I'm laughing on the inside, BTW, and I hope you are too)

By "reasonable person", I mean, of course, another sweeping generalization. Explaining what I mean by "reasonable person" would involve bell-curves and sliding scales. Any reasonable person would be thrown should they try to apprehend that definition.

I call "racist". (3.33 / 3) (#16)
by jsm on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 08:59:35 AM PST
Explaining what I mean by "reasonable person" would involve bell-curves and sliding scales

That's a final warning. Any more discussion of the Bell Curve as if it were a genuine work of science rather than a piece of racist propaganda (which it is) is going to incur some heavy handed and terminal editorial intervention. I'm not interested in being part of a site where religious, racist bigots and apologists for the Catholic Church's record of bigotry and slavery are allowed to spew their hate. Free speech yeah, but the truth (as I see it) should not be tolerant of racist lies.

... the worst tempered and least consistent of the editors
... now also Legal department and general counsel,

*makes a face at you* (none / 0) (#27)
by tiana on Fri Jul 20th, 2001 at 02:59:47 AM PST
you are a jerk. thats all i can think of after my other post. get a life and stop whining. the rest of us are sick of it

That is SO distasteful and misinformed! (4.00 / 2) (#9)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 07:17:07 PM PST
I am a practicing Catholic, and your article is in such poor taste that I don't even know where to begin! So rather than even respond to your ridiculous claims, I will simply point out a few relevant facts.

You are obviously a deluded Protestant, holding onto some absurd beliefs that are putting your soul in jeapordy. By lashing out at Papal authority you reveal yourself as not a true Christian but as a vain, selfish individual who would twist the teachings of Christ to suit your own petty "needs".

I will admit that in the past there were one or two individuals who managed to subvert the Papal seat from those God intended it for, and there have been a few who have grossly misinterpreted their role in serving God's kingdom. Firstly, however, all these things are OLD history! Second, we ourselves are not devine and we will make mistakes from time to time.

The Great Schism and Protestant "Reformation" certainly did bring to light a few issues that needed to be addressed at that time, but that time has now passed. By continuing to flaunt the One True Church and its rightful leader you show yourself to be afraid of real religion. Christ's Disciples only founded one Church, and if you forsake it then you forsake Christ Himself.

I don't understand how anyone can fail to recognize these simple truths. You can tell just by visiting where people worship which is the true Church. A proper Catholic Mass, preferably in Latin, conducted in a proper Catholic church redolent with the splender God deserves is an event that conveys the exact nature of religion - that of worshiping the one, all-powerful God that created us and the world we live in. You can not deny the Almighty whilst in a place like St. Peter's Basilica.

Now contrast this to your typical Protestant "church". You will find these people trying to serve God in places like shopping centers and even warehouses! Accoustic drop ceilings? Folding plastic chairs? Excuse me, but you call THAT proper worship? THAT is how you show your love for God? By sticking him in between the donut shop and the shoe store? You do not worship, you DISGRACE God!

And what is all this crap with the folk music and hand clapping? You act like church is just a damn social club! Show some reverence for your Creator! Show some respect and behave like you are in a place of worship, not like you are at the mall!

I could go on about the blindingly obvious fallacy of believing that you can lead a properly religious life without the guidance of clergy, but I believe I have said enough for today.

thing about catholics... (2.50 / 2) (#11)
by venalcolony on Tue Jul 10th, 2001 at 08:43:36 PM PST
their only saving grace in a world without any, is that they practice ignorance with *style*, mystery, and and a breathtaking willingness to celebrate everything as sin. Then there's inadequate protestantism, which attracts geeks because boring minds think alike, which is hardly a sound basis for a theology.

By the way, I just discovered while previewing this comment that my uid is 69; and I shall deservedly burn in hell because of it.

The difference between trolling and life is life doesnt have to make sense.

Hatred is the worst sin of all (none / 0) (#13)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 06:00:26 AM PST
But of course you have differences of opinion, that's why you're not on the same branch of christianity. However, you are both christians. I have long been puzzled by the catholic-protestant feud,(I'm not a christian myself) But then, I realised that it is common in many relegions. Only thing that's not common, I'm afraid, is the will to accept other opinions and views. Please keep in mind that we are all gods creation, his children. No matter how weird or foolish our opinions may be ,it is your duty as a person who believes in the lord to respect his other creations. I wish this were the only problem mankind ever had, how to worship and love the lord. Unfortunately, we have many other problems that need to be addressed, and the energy and stamina that this debate is wasting in vein could be well spent in a more positive debate, such as how to help the poor. Don't let your pride get in the way of your hearts!

perhaps you're a bit confused (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 10:08:09 AM PST
Only thing that's not common, I'm afraid, is the will to accept other opinions and views
I think perhaps you're slightly confused on the concept of religion.

Whoops (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jul 15th, 2001 at 01:28:57 PM PST
Damn! I see your point. Hell, I'm just a nice guy, could'nt people just be nice to each other for a change? It would'nt kill anyone, I'm quite certain.

So much for this site (1.00 / 2) (#19)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 08:26:17 PM PST
I saw a link to here posted on slashdot, and thought I'd check it out. But, now I see that it is just some little man coder who thinks he can run a website to post his demented views. Good luck, but I think you will only get people who agree with you, which maybe is what you want.

cathalcholics (none / 0) (#20)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jul 11th, 2001 at 10:14:15 PM PST
Hey, i really agree with that article. myself catholic loves any kind of fight. And my favorite drink is vodka. Dont we all have to drink jesus blood anyways? i am pretty sure this view is great, but i dont see why we have to be forbidden. Humans need some entertainment, with or without god. But i admit that being catholic helps for that kind of personality, dont know why anyways.

Bad Foundation (none / 0) (#21)
by xrayspx on Thu Jul 12th, 2001 at 08:02:00 AM PST
I've always wondered how one Christian religion could go about calling another Christian religion a bunch of crack-pot cultists. Pot->Kettle==black?

I can understand why some atheists might consider ALL religions childish, or mythical, but singling one out of the bunch has always seemed strange.

I am an atheist with a girlfriend who is Catholic. I do not think my girlfriend is a wacky cultist, nor the rest of her family. It pretty much comes down to "do what you have to do to get through the day and feel like there's some purpose to everything". I have been to Catholic mass a few times and yes, it's about the most sensory overloading, perhaps oddest thing I've done. Far different from your average Protestant Sunday shindig. Worse? No.

As far as Catholics throughout history torturing and killing (Inquisition, Conquistadors, to an extent standing by in WWII), name me one major religion which hasn't resorted to violence in their zeal. Baptists and right-wing fundamentalists are far more dangerous in the US today. I'd really hate to be a woman trying to get an abortion, or the doctor who would perform it, in Alabama or Iowa. It's the same harassment of innocents/nonbelievers/heretics that every religion practices at some time or other.

If some group of people disagrees with you, start killing them until they wise up. Worked for the Conquistadors. It also worked for the early Muslims, seems to be working out for the Taliban as well.

The examples you give for why Catholics are bad are also quite weak. Since the Sopranos are Catholic, and the Sopranos are bad people, then Catholics are bad people. That doesn't hold water, and is a very poor basis for a religious war. Jim Bakker is a bad person, Jerry Falwell is a bad person, Pat Robertson, Pat Buchanan, yeah, they're just swell. Come up with real-life examples and continue your arguement.

Don't feed the trolls... (2.00 / 3) (#22)
by extarbags on Thu Jul 12th, 2001 at 08:39:07 AM PST
....or as they're better known on, "articles."

When the site is the troll, the troll is the truth.

"or Iowa" (none / 0) (#23)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jul 12th, 2001 at 01:01:22 PM PST
Iowa? What gives you the impression that Iowa is a hotbed of anti-abortion? I mean, we generally don't like that sort of thing, but I don't recall any major abortion clinic incidents in the state. Perhaps I've just not been paying attention.

Whoops (none / 0) (#24)
by xrayspx on Thu Jul 12th, 2001 at 04:09:41 PM PST
I meant Kansas I'm sorry. Not that most of Kansas isn't very tolerant either. I'm just making a point that you can't really make brash gerneralizations about people geographically. Unless you say, "Most people living in France speak French". It's like saying "Most people living in New York City suck dick for crack money".

In any case, I fell for the troll, and having read the other articles on the site, I don't see that much that's any more interesting. Back to K5 I guess for me, for a while at least.

i'll come out of the closet,... im catholic! (none / 0) (#26)
by tiana on Fri Jul 20th, 2001 at 02:57:59 AM PST
ive been catholic all my life, and yes i have had my share of doubts for my religions, but holy moses.

i dont give a crap if you dont like me because im catholic, but i hate it when you call an entire relgion a bunch of drunks, when you KNOW its not physically possible. (we are bowing,... not falling over at the waist)

the fact of the matter is, i could listen to your argument on Catholicism if you said something about how they controled the minds of thousands of people in the middle ages and tortured people durring the inquisition or the fact that alot of them are just bible thumpers (then again so are alot of christians).

But i cannot sit here and listen to you WHINE about how the mafia has catholics in it, how a unruly senator has catholic friends, and how the pope likes to apoligize for his people. NOT TO MENTION lying straight out that the pope FORCES us to believe in evolution, and another lie about how we are all a bunch of drunks

for CHRIST'S SAKE LEARN HOW TO REASERCH BEFORE YOU MAKE AN ARTICLE. The rest of us dont want to hear you whine! save that for your flippin' journal.


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