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Makeup is
an impediment to displaying one's natural attractiveness. 27%
a method of enhancing one's natural attractiveness. 40%
what people use frequently when they are not extremely attractive. 31%

Votes: 22

 Extremely attractive people do not wear makeup regularly.

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Dec 14, 2001
Feel free to agree or disagree.

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A tiny correction: (none / 0) (#1)
by RobotSlave on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 03:09:34 AM PST
Extremely attractive people do not need to wear makeup regularly.

Yes, yes, it may be functionally equivalent, but there is a slight difference in who, exactly, would be indicted by this little aphorism.

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I had attempted to allow for those who might... (none / 0) (#2)
by luisa on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 05:03:13 AM PST
need to wear makeup on occasion for a chosen profession or hobby. Thus they might 'need' to wear makeup regularly in that specific context, but not regularly in general. Of course, the point holds in either case.

Clever, but I'm afraid you've... (none / 0) (#6)
by RobotSlave on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 12:24:14 PM PST
trod upon your original formulation. Those who wear makeup in the service of their professions do, in fact, wear makeup regularly, regardless of whether or not they do so outside of the professional capacity.

I am, incidentally, most pleased to find that you are not one to disregard the finer points of meaning, and flee from the refinement of argument with accusations of "semantic quibbling."

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I beg to differ. (none / 0) (#12)
by luisa on Sat Dec 15th, 2001 at 11:08:38 PM PST
Wearing makeup in the service of profession or hobby ought not to consume the majority of one's average week. And for extremely attractive people with such professions or hobbies, makeup-wearing does not take up the majority of their alloted lifespan, and thus cannot be said to be worn 'regularly' (which would imply that it did.)

Mmmm (none / 0) (#3)
by bc on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 06:27:22 AM PST
Makeup is used by many women as a crutch. They use it to cover up and conceal their blemishes, for them makeup is a mask that presents a face of lies to the world.

Truly beautiful women can be beautiful without makeup. The discerning man will not be fooled by makeup anyway - nothing is more repugnant than some bint with inches of mascara and rouge all over her crinkling face - but he will appreciate the woman who uses makeup not to hide or cover, but to accentuate.

A very beautiful girl of my acquaintance is fond of outrageous makeup. Bright fluorescent purple mascaras and lipsticks, lending her an alien air, but these things but draw attention to her incredible attractiveness. Aye, for her it is not a cloak to hide her imperfections but rather highlights that point towards her ethereal features and awe the onlooker.

Myself, I don't have much of an opinion about makeup. It is all a question of taste. Americans generally lack good taste, so it is probably best American females avoid makeup altogether. Otherwise they have a tendency to die their hair TV Presenter blonde, get horrible, unnatural looking tans, whiten their teeth to the point where they dazzle with a strange, unearthly radiance (yuk), and wear all sort of makeups with French names manufactured in New Jersey from petroleum products.

Yes, American women should keep away from makeup, I've never seen one with the sophistication to carry it off well. Middle class, European, urban creatures should definitely consider makeup though, they can actually pull it off.

♥, bc.

Yes... (5.00 / 2) (#4)
by hauntedattics on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 11:05:50 AM PST
and British guys should also steer clear of makeup, as they tend to overdo the eyeliner and are a bit wobbly with the lipstick.

I didn't vote because all three are essentially true, depending on the occasion and the individual involved. Myself, I find a bit of blush helpful in the colleagues and friends don't really prefer to hang out with those in the last stages of consumption...

I'm insulted! (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 11:43:25 AM PST
and British guys should also steer clear of makeup, as they tend to overdo the eyeliner and are a bit wobbly with the lipstick.

Oh, how cruelly you taunt me. But I shall not rise to the bait. Instead, I shall weep softly into Graham Norton's manly bosom.

More important (none / 0) (#7)
by legolas on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 05:06:07 PM PST
More important than this makeup jazz... I to know about BREASTS, the calling card of woman world wide.

More specifically, what is more attractive? Is bigger better? Is small and sleek the way to go? Is it all about presentation?

Personally, I'm all about presentation. I have seen girls with both AA and D cup-sized breasts who have "held it well", so to speak. They both wore clothes that complimented their figure. On the other hand, girls like Laura wear clothes that DON'T compliment their figure, and breast size becomes irrelevant in their homeliness.

Obviously, too extreme on either end indicates lifestyle issues. If they are too small, there is a good chance that the person is an underweight anorexic with self-esteem problems. Too large, and it indicates that the person is an obese resigned slob with no aspirations and self-esteem problems.

Finally, in response to so-called "Silly-Cone" boobies, I am 100% against them. Breast implants make the breasts look unnaturally round, hard as rocks, and generally stupid. It's all about presentation of what God gave you - Angelina Jolie looked far better with her natural breasts in Hackers then in her post implant movies.


Agreed (none / 0) (#8)
by Lint on Sat Dec 15th, 2001 at 01:37:07 AM PST
I am a woman, and I too have breasts. And, through the years of my having had breasts, I've formed some opinions on them.

  1. They're overrated. Perhaps only in America, however. We see men around the rest of the globe who see boobies on a daily basis, yet these men never go to pieces over a set of well-placed mammary glands like American men do. Why is this?

  2. Natural is best. Big or small, if you use what you have and are okay with your body it shouldn't matter what society thinks of your cleavage. Fake boobs are just that, and they look it too. Look more like a floatation device, if you ask me.

  3. Bigger is better? Not all guys I know seem to think so, and claim to be perfectly happy with any size breasts they have access to, because they are heterosexual males. Yet men of this persuasion tend to be drawn to large breasts on the screen or in print, which is odd. Most men I've known who've seen women with unnaturally large breasts in person tend to be repulsed.

Not that I'm speaking for all men of course, only the ones I've known to have an interest in the female anatomy.

And, of course, some men can use a women's attractiveness to counteract their own self esteem issues, just as some women are fixated with their appearances--as if makeup, clothing and plastic surgery will alleviate some major internal flaw or personality disorder. A 60 year old man towing around a 20-ish trophy wife isn't a rare sight where I live... and is frankly rather creepy.

Your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs, I see through you. Bill Hicks

Not quite. (none / 0) (#9)
by RobotSlave on Sat Dec 15th, 2001 at 02:46:57 AM PST
  1. Agreed. I am not the adequacy's most convincing practitioner of armchair Freudian Analysis, but the phrase "mother fixated" comes immediately to mind here.
  2. Poppycock. Horsefeathers. Balderdash. I have two close friends who have benefitted immeasurably from plastic surgery. Not only are they happier about their physical appearance, and thus more attractive, but they also are much more comfortable, and enjoy greater freedom of movement now that they have had breast reductions.
  3. See above.

Now then. This critique of male breast-fixation is all well and good, but at the end of the day, you're going to have to allow for a certain degree of breast-appreciation on the part of the male. Unless, of course, you are willing to shout down any and all female appreciation of broad shoulders, widow's peaks, muscular arms, narrow hips, facial hair, and every other trait that a woman might find attractive in the male physique.

Age differences are best left to a separate thread, I think.

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Hmm... (none / 0) (#10)
by Lint on Sat Dec 15th, 2001 at 03:48:09 AM PST
I see your point on breast reductions, as I was naturally thinking "enhancement" rather than the more logical, and healthy, reduction surgeries that benefit many women--my stepmother and best friend included. And I'll expound on my opinion that breast enhancement is unnecessary, as there are many beneficial uses for the surgery--such as after mastectomy and for women with abnormally small breasts. However, in my opinion, breast enhancement for mere personal reasons (i.e. woman with a normal breast size desiring to increase that size for no medical reason) seems silly and insecure. But... talk to me again when I'm 40 with boobs down to my knees. ;)

I'll be willing to critique the female's fixation with the male anatomy as well, if you like. I simply find a male perspective on why breasts are so fascinating interesting, because, as a woman, they don't do much for me. As far as age differences, I was merely bringing that up as an example of a male's insecurity where looks are concerned, and offering the opinion that, for some people, their own looks can be substituted for those of an attractive mate. Age is consequential in such a situation.

Your denial is beneath you, and thanks to the use of hallucinogenic drugs, I see through you. Bill Hicks

One girl's opinion (none / 0) (#11)
by hauntedattics on Sat Dec 15th, 2001 at 03:23:13 PM PST
Breasts always look better when the chick has good posture, regardless of size. Underwire is often helpful as well.

You look great in the new LOTR movie, by the way.

posture (none / 0) (#13)
by nathan on Sun Dec 16th, 2001 at 11:44:12 AM PST
Agreed. Ladies, take care of your spinal lordoses!

Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.


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