Adequacy front page
Stories Diaries Polls Users

Home About Topics Rejects Abortions
This is an archive site only. It is no longer maintained. You can not post comments. You can not make an account. Your email will not be read. Please read this page if you have questions.
What will it take to drive Inden back to K5 forever?
Links to gay bondage porn in his diares. 25%
Calling him a wanker in his own diary. 0%
Blocking his IP. 0%
Leave his diary alone! We will just flame him in comments. 12%
Make him a trail of breadcrumbs for him to follow home. 12%
Noooo! Inden FOR-EVAAAAH!!! 50%

Votes: 8

 Struggle With Violence Is Eternal

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Nov 22, 2001
Blowhard wankers like me will never be free as individuals, as a movement, or as a society from the temptation to use force as a shortcut to achieve justice. This debate will follow we wankers forever. It is part of the wanker experience of getting along with non-wankers.

More diaries by Inden
The End Can't Justify the Means Because There Isn't One
Osama Bin Falwell
Do They Hate Americans or Just Our Government?
Justice for the Victims of 9/11 ! :: (a minority viewpoint)
Here's Some More Meat for You SFB Vultures! Enjoy!
American Values & Pax Americana
I Am Not A Pacifist - Taliban Must Go - We Must Rebuild Afghanistan Afterward
This is *N O T* a Test!
It's *not* their Economy Stupid!
This will be Skippy's Last Diary Entry Here
Confidence Game E-Mail Example
Number Won !
First Commandment: Revisit As Often As Necessary
Delicate Question for Muslims
The Reason I'm Posting on Adequacy Despite Being Unwelcome
Islam vs. non-Islam in a tiny nutshell
Nobel Prize for Irrelevance: How Wrong I Was !
Nurturing Healthy Palestinian and Israeli Senses of National Identity
West Virgina Allegory
The ZogCore? Answer Man Is Here !
Christian Sponsorship of Rationlist Islamic Charity as Foreign Policy
Meine Ehre Heisst Speaking Truth to Power
Brief Public Service Reminder
Galactic Hitchiker Travel Advisory
Writer vs. Editor Relationship in a Nutshell
As a wanker, I think the progressives who endorse the Black Bloc vandalism and even serious violence as justified because it is overmatched by much worse state violence arrayed against it are missing the power of the legitimacy of non-violence as both an end in itself and a means to an end.

My pompous opinion is that if the Black Bloc wants to use violence against property to raise the issue of property not having the rights as humans they should do this independently of the larger overwhelmingly non-violent progressive movements. Specifically, don't use the WTO rallies as a platform for this kind of direct anti-corporate actions that most of us have a problem with. It does us wankers more harm than good as a movement. Unless, that is the Black Bloc are a giant COINTELPRO style disaccreditation program by the FBI - which I, in my self-important delusion, doubt. The Earth Liberation Front understands this principle perfectly well. Why not Black Bloc?

This is the same issue that destroyed the social progressive movements' cohesion in the 1960's (not that I have any real knowledge of this era): whether and when violence is justified.

Violence is wrong whether it is anarchist violence or state violence. Two wrongs make more wrongs not a liberation of mankind from violence. We keep coming back to this same quandary whether the revolution/repression advocated is from the left or from the right. Violence begets violence begets violence begets violence. You don't get a better world in the long run by making it a worse world in the short run. It just won't work and we wankers have a long history to show us exactly how and why.


Another weak effort. (none / 0) (#1)
by RobotSlave on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 11:27:42 AM PST
At a lightwieght 300+, this probably still isn't enough for the queue at, but it does at least have a welcome hint of the old sleep-inducing quality.

© 2002, RobotSlave. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

If I ever meet you, I WILL KICK YOUR ASS (none / 0) (#2)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Nov 24th, 2001 at 12:39:17 AM PST
Just Kidding :)

Free Speech? It Seems Not (none / 0) (#3)
by Inden on Sat Nov 24th, 2001 at 02:24:02 AM PST
Looks like the sysop feels free to edit my diary entries to suit his warped sense of humor. Cute. Abuse of power isn't power.


All trademarks and copyrights on this page are owned by their respective companies. Comments are owned by the Poster. The Rest ® 2001, 2002, 2003 The name, logo, symbol, and taglines "News for Grown-Ups", "Most Controversial Site on the Internet", "Linux Zealot", and "He just loves Open Source Software", and the RGB color value: D7D7D7 are trademarks of No part of this site may be republished or reproduced in whatever form without prior written permission by and, if and when applicable, prior written permission by the contributing author(s), artist(s), or user(s). Any inquiries are directed to