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Once upon a time two great alliances of nations fought a long and bitter war in a clash of good against evil. Eventually the forces of light won, and all that remained was one small nation led by evil rulers that would not surrender, no matter what the cost to their nation.
In their wisdom, the greatest nation in the forces of light decided that it would be wrong to drag the battle out longer than was necessary and decimate those whose only fault was to have been duped by evil men, and so they got their mightiest wizards to rain fire upon their two of their enemy's cities, and the enemy leaders realised their folly and capitulated at once. Knowing that prosperity encourages peace, the wise men of the great nation went into the conquered nation and helped rebuild it, letting the people rule themselves and build a future for their nation. In time, they began to prosper thanks to hard work and ingenuity, and eventually they became a mighty trading nation, far surpassing any level of wealth they might have otherwise expected. Unfortunately the clash of old and new cultures gave rise to value system that neither culture would have been happy with. Indeed, some of these new fetishes were so virulently immoral they could be described as a plague. And like any plague, they could spread far beyond where they were spawned, infecting entirely new cultures unused and unprotected from their effects. This is a story about one such plague, and how it has reached our shores. |
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In recent years there has been a growing trend amongst radical youth elements of American society for cultural relativism, the foolish belief that other cultures have something to offer. This is clearly not true, and anyone that cares to take the time to do the research will find that the US is by far the world's greatest nation in terms of any statistic that matters. Unfortunately thanks to the influence of Liberal elements in our once-great education system these individuals choose to turn away from the products our cultures produces and embrace alien ideas that are an affront to God and our Founding Fathers.
In some cases this relativism is less harmful than others; the English culture apes our own enough so that there is little harm to be had. But other so-called cultures are purely and simply alien to morality, and the cultural apologists are nothing more than a group of deceivers intent on the final replacement of Christian moral values with a Liberal credo of immorality and sin. The worst attack on morality comes in the form of Japanese manga films, which spread a shocking message of immorality under the cover of animation, a cynical move targetting a genre typically aimed at children. These films are supposedly aimed at adults, but a moment's reflection counters this vacuous argument - what kind of grown adult watches cartoons? When we become adults we put childish things behind us, and cartoons, whilst of invaluable aid in entertaining and educating children, are of no use to a healthy adult of sound mind and firm moral base. Upon my first encounter with this foriegn plague I was shocked at the gratuitous use of violence and anti-Christian symbolism. These films all fall into the fantasy and science-fiction genres (which are little more than a hotbed of paganism and Satanism anyway) and the stories generally involve an epic conflict between the forces of "good," who are typically inbued with obviously Satanic powers, and their enemies, also possessing such powers. Indeed, the only difference being that the forces of "evil" are more obviously demonic in their visages! These two forces engage in megaviolent battles using their Satanic powers, and at the end of an orgy of blood and dismembered limbs the forces of "good" are victorious and undoubtedly retire to give thanks to their evil master. At this point I was shocked enough. Never before have I seen such a celebration of violence and Satanism, and to see it in a medium designed to entice children had me gripping the edge of my seat in righteous outrage. What kind of sick mind could conceive of such a vicious assault on the kind of decent Christian values that made America the greatest nation on Earth? It was clear to me at that point that this was nothing other than an insidious campaign being waged against our nation's youths, designed to blind them to the Truth and install the Liberal lies of a relativistic paradise where morality is whatever makes you feel good. And worse yet, it was succeeding! The popularity of manga films has increased over the last decade, and yet few people have realised how many of our nation's children have been turned to the Liberals. I at once decided that something needed to be done about this scourge, and began to engage in an intense bout of research, forcing myself to watch hour after hour of this immoral filth. And slowly, something else became clear. I had been wrong. Very wrong. No, the real agenda was not the dissemination of psychopathic and anti-Christian messages. These were nothing more than a cover for what these vile "films" were really pushing. It became clear only after watching several of the so-called classics (as if any film made less than fifty years ago could be termed a classic!) that the real agenda was truly Satanic - manga films exist solely to promote the idea that paedophilia is good!
Not content with dominance in the field of consumer electronics, it was now clear to me that the Japanese wished to bring about the downfall of our society by spreading this cancer in our midst, targetting the most naive and vulnerable segments of our population - teenagers and college students. The evidence for this is clear to anyone not so simple-minded and deluded by a Liberal education. In a cheap trick the perverts that create manga films have stolen their animation techniques from Disney, and given all of their characters the same wide-eyed child-like look of innocence seen in such timeless children's classics as Sleeping Beauty or Snow White. This makes it clear that even when showing supposedly adult characters, they are subliminally referring instead to young children. Of course it doesn't end here, for like all Liberal filthmongers they know no bounds to their depravity. The characters in these obscenities, especially the female ones, are drawn in a blatently sexual manner, with exaggerated sexual attributes, impossible proportions and disturbingly provocative clothing (when there is any!). Each character has been crafted to act upon the deadly sin of lust, and is an unholy masterpiece of desire. I found myself watching these succubi again and again, mesmerised and unable to comprehend such un-Christian filth. When you combine the evidence the secret agenda becomes only too clear - that children are sexual creatures, and that it is alright to feel lust towards them. Furthermore, the graphic scenes of violence in manga films are clearly designed to incite violence against children in the furtherance of these foul desires. Clearly it is not only enough to simply instill such unwholesome thoughts in the minds of our youth, they are intent upon inciting violence of a most deviant manner upon our nation's children! This is against everything that is decent and Christian in the world! It is clearly part of the Liberalist agenda of secular multiculturalism, and part of the drive towards their ultimate goal of One World government ruling over a homogenous, unthinking lower class devoid of the Christian ethics that separate us from savages. Tomorrow I begin my crusade. If you too share the values that made this country the greatest in the world, I urge you to think of a generation lost to Satan, and to make a stand against the tide of filth lapping at our Christian shores. |
| Another Japanese import (none / 0) (#11) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:15:43 AM PST | |
| I'd like to over here is vending machines that sell used school girl knickers. Many's the time I've run out of them on the weekend and being able to purchase them 24/365 would better than waiting until monday morning when the school's are open.... |
| it can't possibly be (none / 0) (#102) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:21:42 AM PST | |
| "I found myself watching these succubi again and again..."
Is this article for real? Got to be a joke. No one capable of operating a computer actually thinks like that. |
| hm..... (none / 0) (#133) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:39:50 AM PST | |
| Wow it's amazing to me that so many people can be so closed minded and be herded like sheep to any cause. Next thing you know people will be wanting to say that breathing is against "God's" will. The very idea that anime is a tool of satan is rediculous and one thing that bothers me is the hipocracy of most people who post articles like this. 9 times out of 10 the people who post these "beware of <topic> its a tool of satan" are just as bad if not worse about other things. the guys who started this article probly watches kiddy porn. |
| Message to the great Jon Erikson and Adam Rightman (none / 0) (#146) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:11:51 PM PST | |
| As a fellow Christian, i must say something about this. And this is what i have to say... you are sooooo stereotypical Jon and Adam. You guys judge things right away without understanding them, makes me kinda think you guys are prejudice. First off, just cause people grows up doesn't mean they still get to watch cartoons. Cartoons is a form of ENTERTAINMENT, not just learning morals and that. When a adult grows up, they can do anything they want to do. Second, your researching on Japanese animation, Anime, or manga (or the way you named it, the Foriegn Plague) is really really awful. I am disappointed on your research and lack of knowledge for anime and manga. Not all anime and manga is for children, most are suitiable for teenagers and adults. And don't blame Japan, blame the parents who FAILS or does terrible at protecting the kids from the foriegn plague. And not all of the anime are Sci-fi and fantasy, there's also drama, comedy, romance, action, adventure, horror. Oh wait, you were probably blind and ignored them looking for mostly sci-fi and fantasy with hentai (naked filth) in them. Maybe your still watching them- oops, did i insult? I'm sorry, there, happy? Well here's a anime film you should get. It's called "Wings of Honneamise", no, it's not fantasy, maybe a bit of sci-fi since it's about a man wanting to go to space. This is a movie you should watch, there's a christian woman in it. you'll probably enjoy, oh no wait, you probably won't, you already hate anime. my bad.
and to mr. Adam apple- i mean Adam Rightmann. How dare you say all manga readers are geeks. That's like a big insult towards everyone. I thought good people aren't suppose to insult other people? oh no, this must mean adam is retarded. Anyways i have a friend who's a geek but is really friendly and such. He knows what anime is but doesn't watch it much often. Also, i happen to be a geek who loves anime. I am really disappointed in this article or message or whatever. Also, you're terrible and pathetic at researching subjects. All i'm going to do after i post this is laugh at you... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... |
| Wasn't this originally about Anime? (none / 0) (#166) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:15:50 PM PST | |
| It seems to have have spawned in to a religious war. And so I will take the freedom to return to the discussion of Anime.
I must firmly agree with points made that the article was quite biased and unreasearched. At the core of things, really only Hentai anime where presented. Surely, why do people waste their time making an argument with only knowing an ounce of what they are writing about? Firstly I will clearly state that I am a GIRL. And I am also an anime fan. So this comment is written from a female point of view. Number one, I would like to eliminate the stereotype of anime "only exploiting woman, and written by filthy men." Or the like. If that is the case, then why do truckloads of female fans exist? That is because as stated before, anime is an artform! Both anime and manga are a way of telling stories through pictures. Wether moving or on paper. And let me tell you, there are billions and billions of different titles produced. And all a bout different things. It is true there are anime giving females strong roles, tons. There is a whole genre of anime called "Shoujo." Which are literally translated two anime/manga aimed at girls. Many of these titles feature strong [or equally as pathetic, depending on the author.[ Female characters. Such as the life loving, young, talented and quite hyper Sana Kurata. The main character in a well loved anime "Kodomo no Omocha." [Childs toy.] Sana is merely a young 11 year old girl who stars frequently in a television show. The program follows her life over a couple of years. While it can be quite silly, it can be extremely realistic as well. It touches on many family related issues. Such as adoption, teen pregnancy, death/divorce, loss of parents, sibling rivalry, etc. "Kodomo no Omocha" is also an incredible love story. But it doesn't have any sex, or nudity, or "exploitation of woman." It is a program aimed at young, primarily female viewers. It teaches children alot of basic morals. I don't see anything about that, do you? How about something for a slighter older audience, but of course not hentai. It is prejudiced to say that adults who watch "Cartoons" are pedophiles. That is completely generalized and immature for various reasons. Including, well how do you know what all these "cartoons are about?" Thats right! You only know what a vague few are about. I believe excellent titles such as "Rurouni Kenshin" have been mentioned before. This can appeal to any audience who is mature enough to handle it. It's the story of a retired Japanese assasin, Kenshin. Who wanders the land and fights to protect the people. But he will never kill. The character of Kenshin is not infact the glory he seems to be. The talented author, Mr Watsuki Nobuhiro [who is by no means a pervert.] explains well Kenshin's love for the land and farming [especially shown in the Original animated video, about Kenshin's past.] His philosophical influence, how he has matured. Kenshin's faults throughout his life, and his amazing defeats. And Rurouni Kenshin does have violence in it. How could it not, considering the time period and themes? And that Kenshin's past is SET JURING A REAL, VIVID REVOLUTION? A revolution that truly existed? Yes, Kenshin can also update you on your Japanese history. How about the tale of Gravitation, and when it comes to this one I recommend the manga. You may want to view this comical [and also angst filled] show with an open mind. It does deal with some touchy issues. Some may look upon it as a glossy pretty boy show where everyone is gay, but that infact is not true. Though Gravitation has many light and silly characterizations and events. It also tells us about some very interesting characters. Like the dark novelist, Yuki Eiri. Some of the issues approached are male homosexuality, the media, the music industry, financial issues, love, bitterness, hate, isolation, to be haunted, and even more social taboos.. Such as rape. But Gravitation is not hentai, porn, whatever. Everything in the above is essential to plot. And to make that convincing, theres not going to be any explicit hentai. And certainly not exploitation of women. And you know what? I love the show. Is that not enough? I've just pulled two miraculous programs from my hat of that contains thousands of names. No it isn't? Well oh boy. Try some of these, there not all for children because of themes, not hentai. And I do dare you to research atleast one of the titles below,.. Tokyo Babylon Grave of the Fireflies [tear jerking and absolutely stunning.] ANY of Hayao Miyazaki's films [heart warming] Evangelion [please keep an open mind..] Yami no Matsuei Angel Sanctuary [mind boggling illustration] Macross Plus [must see] Card captor Sakura [good childrens program] ayashi no ceres [high in drama] Revolutionary girl Utena [you want symbolism? and STRONG female characters, this is the one for you!] Fake [light comedy.] Kareshi Kanojo ni Jiyou [very touching romance] there are a few of my favorites for various reasons. Go ahead, try a little. -Emiko. |
| this is b/s (none / 0) (#174) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 06:03:04 PM PST | |
| dude, maybe if you would take your head out of your ass for once, you would see that there are other religions in the world besides Christianity. what you are is a racist bastard. saying that the only "righteous" culture in the world are American Christians. what right do you have to put down other cultures that you haven't even experienced? if you are the one saying that America is the greatest, and that Christianity is the only acceptable religion, then you are the un-American one. the american dream is to do away with racism and hate in our world, and people like you are the ones that prevent that from happening...people like you disgust me.
-Jækü |
| I am an American (none / 0) (#183) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:14:17 PM PST | |
| Damn Straight. |
| Baka (none / 0) (#185) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:28:23 PM PST | |
| This has got to be one of the funniest things I've read in along time.. I can't believe someone actually believes this bullshit.. |
| Pft... x2 (none / 0) (#190) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:41:07 PM PST | |
| You are nothing more then racist scum. Stay on your PERFECT country, wich, may I add, is in total DECADENCY. Oh, but nothing to worry about at all, eh? Because you're protected and invulnerable! THAT'S IT! Until you get hit by a bullet, that is.
So, as I already mentioned, you're not immortal or, at last, something worthy of mention, so, here we see that you can't say ANYTHING about what people think or do. Just get your ass off that chair and go "Purify" everyone! Better! Start a war with Asia! Why not? Aren't you great enough to WRITE that hate them? Maybe because you can't do anything more then just siting your butt and writring something random, in a act of despair to escape of your miserable life and be noted by someone? BINGO! So, before starting to try to act as a man. Show off your face. Yeah. Again, why not? Aren't you protected? What? Are all these "GEEKS" not fair to fight you? What a loser... Go get a life, racist scum. And, plus, you haven't archived your goal of being a total idiot in font of us. No... Actually, we are just felling bad for someone like you being a live. Kill Youself. |
| wow what a fucktard! (none / 0) (#209) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 08:46:05 PM PST | |
| This is perfect example of some pissed off fuck head hiding behind his religion. I would like to know ware all the "god loves every one" talk went. Isn't that the whole thing behind Christianity? I used to be Christian but I have renounced it because I found out it was evil. What has religion ever brought us...? False hopes.... War.....Death, that's it. Man created religion because man wants to feel needed, man needs to know everything.... So what do we do, we invent god.God is a figment of mans ego, mans ego to need to understand everything. Religion is the easiest way to fills our hearts with false hopes of an after life and a happier life. Well I say that is all BS. Too many lives have been taken away because of religion.... More than have been saved by it.
Who started the crusades....? Hmmm oya that's what I thought, Christians, oh and who did the Salem which hunts...oh they were Christians too.....Who kills in the name of "god" oh people who believe in him do. How many murders have been attributed to god...oh about 60% of all murders in the world in 1990 was in the name of "god". You people sicken me. All you can do is blame blame blame blame blame blame.... But you never take any kind of blame for your self. I watch anime; I would be considered an otaku. I have watched some "hentai" which from my point of view you seem to know allot about.... Hiding something hmmm? Anime has never caused anyone to commit suicide, no one has killed in the name of anime, it is a harmless cartoon. Now it looks like you are the evil one, YOU are the type of person that makes this world a bad place to live in. You discriminate and hurt people all in the name of "god" Yes I will give religion its just dues. It has brought the best out of people and have joined them together. But this alone can't redeem you. Until there is a religion that does not discriminate and truly lets people come together under no kind of restraint then I will be against it forever. Now do not get me wrong I do not hate people who believe in god, but I do hate people who try and use god to justify things when they are to afread to face the consiquesnese. If I were a god I would be pretty pissed of if someone killed over 6 million Jews in my name. I would be pissed if some asshole thinks that he can go and ruin people's hopes using my name. I would sure as hell be pissed if I had a fucktard saying that he is fighting in my name. ps: i know the gramer and spelling suck, but i dont feel like fixing them. Espechaly not for a fucktard like you! |
| Hah... (none / 0) (#223) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:34:48 PM PST | |
| Extremes are idiocy. That goes for religion, politics, many other things. Such as 'good' and 'evil'. I figured this out a while ago. Does it make so much sense that I see extremes in morons, and in stupid acts of the past and present... |
| Inteligence(yes its spelled wrong for a reason) (none / 0) (#341) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 08:14:00 PM PST | |
| I managed to wander across this article through a manga based comic site, and after reading this article and replies i can firmly say one thing. Wow, what a lifeless sheltered boob. I myself am a big fan of anime and manga(for the fact, its called anime films, not manga films, capt. winkey, manga is the serialized comics) and i do take extreme offense to this article and to all of its slandering. I used to be christian, hell i used to put faith in god, but after reading out of the bible, and seeing how a lot of them acted, i got embaressed. These arent caring nurturing men of god, these are bigits, pure, simple, bland. I have since renounced my beliefs and lead a simpler life.
"I can kill cause in god i trust, ha, Its evolution baby" |
| Cute kid. (none / 0) (#368) | |
| by tkatchev on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:15:23 AM PST | |
| You're quite cute, kid. Didja think of all that by yourself? Wow, you're smart for your age! Here, have a nickel. Run along now, before you hurt yourself. Remember, don't play with matches! -- Peace and much love... |
| Erikson, you are less of a Christian...... (none / 0) (#414) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:50:39 AM PST | |
| You are less of a Christian than Osama Binladen is a muslim, which he is not, no matter what he tells you. I am a christian, yes. However, I don't support organized religion, because all it does is turn out people like you. I may not even be considered a Christian, but I beleive that to be a christian, all you need to beleive in is, my lord, and hopefully yours to, Jesus Christ! Oh, and here is the kind of thing you would say, only more logical: What kind of Christian would use pictures of Jesus to cover up tits? It is no doubt people like you who call Harry Potter, Magic The Gathering, and even Pokemon satanic and evil! The only single thing slightly controversial in Harry Potter is that they CALL it wizardry, where as it is really just saying words and making lights turn on. Things like that do exsist you know, but it would be easier to just clap your hands. Magic the Gathering is in no way evil. All it is is the most strategic card game ever, and it happens to use a word called Magic. Do people that think Magic The Gathering is evil also think Magicians are evil? You can't spell Magician without MAGIC! And WTF, how could any living being beleive Pokemon to be evil? By all means, Disney is way eviler than Pokemon. Do you think that Halloween is evil because we are honoring the dead? God bless America, which beleive it or not is not a communist country ruled by wacked out sudo-christians as you would like it to be, we had to read Harry Potter in school! Well, if you didn't want to you could read the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe, but I don't see how that is any better, so you probably think it is Satanic as well. If what you beleive is Satan, really is Satan, than we would be alot better off under his rule! Better that than communism. However you are inncorrect in your view of Satan, you would know this is you went to Church more than once a decade. I knew that and I have only been to church 4 or 5 times. I have seen a very wide variety of Anime from Furi Kuri, to Dragon Ball Z, to Sakura Tsushin. I only watch anime in strictly Japanese with English Subtitles form. Soon enough however, I will be able to watch it completely unaltered once I know more Japanese. You obviously watch dubbed anime, because English is the language of God, right? Most anime isn't Hentai. How could you be such a communist? I supose you will never have a child mr. minister. Well, god tells us to have children, what are you going to do now? There is nothing wrong with the human body, for after all, God gave it to us. I, am a Thirteen year old boy. This is true. However, because of Anime, I am twice as mature, culturaly diverse, and in some cases intelligent as grown men such as yourself, and that person that said he wanted to kill all the Chinese, Mexicans, and blacks. Here is a news flash for ya, GOD DOESN'T HATE OUR GUTS! Why not go back to the first civilization, Mesopotamia, and live there where we where thought of as nothing more than servants to the gods. The good thing about being back there, is that only the Scribes knew how to write, so I wouldn't have the oportunity to read such horrible filth that you have turned out. As a christian I have allways learned that God loves all of us and that we should simply ask forgiveness to God. The vengful god that strikes down jews and blacks, for no reason at all, does not exsist, my freind. Anyone who has ever been to Church knows this. I saw an anime (Yes it was anime) not to long ago about Christianity and god. There was this guy living in some olden time, and he went to the king and said that he would no longer beleive in their gods because they wouldn't bless him with a child despite his offerings and prayers. The king aimed to kill him so he escaped. Our God told him that he was the true god of Heaven and Earth and that they would have a child. So then he goes off and starts to make children. So God tells him that so long as he beleivs in him, that he would bless him and bless everyone that blessed him, all he needed to do was beleive in him. Man! That is some horrible filth them Japs got there! We should hang each and everyone one of them! Incase you have so little of an imagination that you couldn't tell, I was being completely sarcastic. I love the Japanese and Japan more so. I also love America, but despise the kind of satanic country of Communism and force worship that you describe. If America becomes like that, I'll sooner kill the President with my own hands than follow that. Do you have a problem with that?
By the way, I am not angry, I actually am rather hysterical! |
| You gotta be kidding.... (none / 0) (#428) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:30:57 AM PST | |
| Either this is a joke, or I wonder whether you have ever watched anime...
If you don't like it, ok, that's just your opinion, but you have this certain cliché remarks... It just appears that you're writing this as an anti-cliché by ridiculing the comment that is put out by a lot of the press/media/whatever, or that you just have taken over the opinion of the press/media/whatever without even ever having watched anime. Or the third option is that you have only watched Hentai... |
| You are a moron. (none / 0) (#445) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:50:58 PM PST | |
| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Suport Upers. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| Research subject before you speak. (none / 0) (#486) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 3rd, 2001 at 07:59:37 PM PST | |
| Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so from that standpoint your article was fine. But in the future, research your subject farther than the mainstream and what's hidden in the porn section of your local video store. Anime and manga (two different things) aren't satanic or evil. They are not only for children. Don't try to change the world when you don't really know what's going on in it. |
| yay! (none / 0) (#189) | |
| by Rubette on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:38:25 PM PST | |
| You're very right!! *claps* Especially the Gravitation part ^_^.
But the sad part is, he wont listen to a word you say, seeing as that the word "homosexuality" is written in your response. Oh well. Emiko did /research/, Mr. author, I suggest you do the same. |
| Hear, hear. (none / 0) (#286) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 07:45:48 AM PST | |
| "Emiko did /research/, Mr. author, I suggest you do the same."
I'm positive that this wasn't the first time this was stated in this thread... so what part of this do you not understand? |
| .....peep going the silly site.... (none / 0) (#227) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:39:58 PM PST | |
| Tokyo Babylon(I must say I love this one)
Grave of the Fireflies [tear jerking and absolutely stunning.] (nods head) ANY of Hayao Miyazaki's films [heart warming] (nods head some more) Evangelion [please keep an open mind..] (I got a little confused with the hole God and Angels thing but I get it now) Angel Sanctuary [mind boggling illustration] (I love that one Card captor Sakura [good childrens program](Kero-chan ish cute ^-^ Revolutionary girl Utena [you want symbolism? and STRONG female characters, this is the one for you!] UTENA UTENA UTENA and JURI!!!!!!! weeee Poor Utena and Anthy sniff the movie was sad.. Fake [light comedy.] (I like this as well) rather funny this whole site is looks around..ahhhhhhhh but hentai is very nicely drawn and no all people in hentai are not perfect....and yes I am a girl one I got here from a club an Artist club did you know had it not been for Japan this site would look like shit and our computers would look like shit....hell even when I did belive in "god" my prist said that many cultures made up our religion and so forth.....bla I would rather be Pagan the go back to your hell hole of stupidity..... and bye hell I mean the 9 hells from The slayers * great Anime* |
| All I have to say is meh, and you people are sick. (none / 0) (#260) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:22:01 AM PST | |
| This is all so seriously messed up how you all can be so incredibly hypocritical. You preach Christianity, yet your say to "get rid of" the "homosexuals, geeks, amputees, racial minorities and Canadians". You are all incredibly hardcore zealots I must say.
Now, something that truly bothers me is that you people are like Nazis in your own sense. You are willing to commit genocide in the name of a god, which the only thing that you know about him is what is written in some book that was made by people who most likely just made up what they wrote to help others feel better of them selves or to control them. You are the type of people who will disown a child, because they are born homosexual, just like that bigot Fred Phelps. I don't know why you extremist seem to be all over when you are only minorities. Maybe it just I some how find you people picking corners of circuses, hospitals, and maybe just even harassing pro-choice supporters. Now, you have come on the subject that anime is bad. I want to know, why is it that you show censored hentai up their rather than pictures of gore, like Tetsuo's mutation (Akira reference), or maybe some other horridly bloody images which depict this violence which has disturbed you so? I will tell you why Mr. "These people are obviously pedophiles" Because you went to a dammed hentai site just to relieve your self and crop some images your followers would find disturbing. I wont to know, why is it people like you aren't more enthusiastic at doing something important? Like maybe, I don't know, not pissing the majority of this state you supposedly love? I swear, I have enough hatred for Christians who say some crap about "Hope your happy come judgment day" or some crap, but having to put up with you zealots and having Fred Phelps lackeys in my own community just pisses me off. Now, if you must insist to bitch about something, why not fight a little 'holy-war' in the name of a god you believe you can understand against pop music and rap, which would make me very happy you hypocrites. Majin P.S. I don't care if you flame me because it will probably be with some stupid remarks about my Agnostic views and me. |
| Anime (none / 0) (#369) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:18:39 AM PST | |
| Anime aint evil.. thats just like.. HELLO KITTY being evil.. sheesh.. someone was stoned while writing this |
| I've noticed many geeks like manga and anime (5.00 / 3) (#12) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:41:57 AM PST | |
| Thank you, Jon, for opening my eyes to this menace.
One thing, I've noticed that many geeks like manga and anime. Many of this same demographic also like computer games and pornography. There seems to be a common thread, a desire for some adult rights, but a lack of adult responsibility and a desire to stay immature forever, perhaps a Peter Pan syndrome. Ie. they want to have sex, but not with a real woman who needs emotional support and who may have a hairy, physically imperfect body. They want to take risks in combat or business or politics, but want all ill effect to disapper when they click close. Is there any hope for these emotionally retarded geekfolk? Should they be isolated from normal people so they could pursue there perversions amongst themselves? Of course not, for just like marijuana use leads to hard drug use, cartoon depictions of pedophilia eventually lead to hanging around schoolyards. I recommend a treatment of avesion therapy, clerical intervention and possible hormonal injections to cause the geeks to grow up, experience adolescence, and beocme interested in being functioning adults, rather than man-children. We must do this, or our daughters will suffer. A. Rightmann |
| Indeed (5.00 / 1) (#13) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:50:41 AM PST | |
| There seems to be a common thread, a desire for some adult rights, but a lack of adult responsibility and a desire to stay immature forever, perhaps a Peter Pan syndrome.
I myself have noticed that there seems to be a lot of fairies amongst "geek" and Liberal elements. Is there any hope for these emotionally retarded geekfolk? There is always hope for even the most hardened sinner, as anyone but a Catholic would realise. Repentance is worth any cost, and even in the face of an unwilling recipient, the grace of God is worth any price to achieve. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| differing moral codes (1.00 / 1) (#27) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 11:57:16 AM PST | |
| I myself have noticed that there seems to be a lot of fairies amongst "geek" and Liberal elements.
By fairies, I assume you refer homosexuals, gays, or preferences other than for heterosexual missionary style with the lights out. Call them what you will, but I feel that you should actually attempt to do a modicum of research before posting and exposing your ignorance. Let's start at the beginning, with your original post. The worst attack on morality comes in the form of Japanese manga films, which spread a shocking message of immorality under the cover of animation, a cynical move targetting a genre typically aimed at children. These films are supposedly aimed at adults, but a moment's reflection counters this vacuous argument - what kind of grown adult watches cartoons? Firstly, immorality is always a relative thing. But since your stance is obviously immovable on christianity being anything but the one, right, true way to live I won't go TOO far into arguing that all semetic based religions are a bunch of bunk. Secondly - who ever discounted amination as a respectable art form, capable of expressing complex ideas and ideoligies? Did you even try to open your mind in hopes of understanding the 5 minutes of Anime you watched while channel surfing late at night? I challenge you to watch something like Firefly Graveyard or Wings over Honnemaise, or Ghost in the Shell and THEN tell me that anime as a medium and genre is not appropriate for adult viewing. There are all types of quality of works in any medium, and Anime and Manga are no different than silent films, opera, theatre, dance, or that crap that people call "movies" at the 100 screen cineplex. On to the next bit - ...gratuitous use of violence and anti-Christian symbolism. These films all fall into the fantasy and science-fiction genres (which are little more than a hotbed of paganism and Satanism anyway) BWAHAHAAAAAA!!!! ROTFLMAO - ohmigod - this has GOT to be the most IGNORANT thing I've ever read! And I honestly can't believe I'm wasting my time pointing out all of the flaws in your article, but here goes - Firstly I question your term "anti-christian symbolism" - what is that exactly? but nevermind - With a broad statment like gratuitous violence, you have just encompassed almost the whole of humanity, especially those of the "chrisitan" faith. I challenge you to find me a violent person who is claims to be pagan. Good luck. On the other hand, I feel much better now that all the violent chrisitans are in afghanistan getting shot to hell by the another semetic religion. Let them kill each other. Moving on, Christianity has MORE PAGANISM IN IT than an anime fil could ever HOPE to achieve - not that paganism is a bad thing. But seriously - have you put up your druidic CHRISTmas tree yet? Tossed a yule log on the fire? Hung mistle toe? Bought any gifts yet? Told your kids that Santa's coming? And that's just ONE example - don't forget about easter, oops, I mean ishtar. *sigh* Dare I go on? First, use a spell checker - its spelled pedophilia. Secondly, WHAT KINDA DRUGS ARE YOU ON? 'cause I want some. No seriously - how can you even SUGGEST that anime is pushing pedophilia to children??? First let's get one thing straight - Manga and anime have been around alot longer than disney style animation. Disney borrows more and more anime style with each movie they produce. Secondly, MANGA AND ANIME AREN'T FOR KIDS! Christ - what kind of fucked up person are you anyway, showing mature film like that you kids? Would you show them Glory a live action movie on blacks in the civil war - and arguably one of the most violent films ever made? I will conced that some "anime" like Pokemon and DragonBall Z ARE oriented towards kids, but hey you've got a fucking job as a parent to raise your kids how you want - and that means that if movies like Bubble Gum Crises are deemed inappropriate by you then DON'T WATCH THEM AND DON'T LET YOUR KIDS WATCH THEM! It's not just your right, it's your responsibility. Now, that being said, it's also my right to buy and watch one of the largest anime collections if I want to (and I've got a shitload of anime and manga films). But I don't force it on you , I don't force it on your kids, and NEITHER DOES ANYONE ELSE! There's no great conspiracy in the media to brainwash your kids - and if you're irresponsible enough to leave your kids to be raised by pop culture, then I have to say you sir are a shining example of a floater in the gene pool. There is always hope for even the most hardened sinner, as anyone but a Catholic would realise. Repentance is worth any cost, and even in the face of an unwilling recipient, the grace of God is worth any price to achieve. I think that my above comments do an adequte job of disproving this statement - let me be the first unsalvageable hardened sinner you've met. The Ravnos FreeSpiritMind.com |
| hi (none / 0) (#34) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:28:20 PM PST | |
You have quite a lot of false certainty about Meat Space which you articulate very poorly using vague half truths, solecisms and an eclectic mix of font styles. You are just the person I'm looking for. What does this piece of code do?
print "@array contains: [", (join " ", @array), "].\n";
Thanks in advance. |
| Simple. (none / 0) (#40) | |
| by chuckx on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:43:42 PM PST | |
| It prints out the elements of an array. However, you probably want to use this: print "\@array contains: [", (join " ", @array), "].\n" By escaping the "@", it will actually print out the statement, "@array contains: ". Otherwise, it will just print out the content of the array twice (first to replace "@array" and next when processing the "join" function). - chuckx - |
| Please stop! (2.33 / 3) (#57) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:03:07 PM PST | |
| Please stop DoSing Adequacy with your hacking scripts! |
| Editor, anywhere? (none / 0) (#75) | |
| by chuckx on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 05:01:15 PM PST | |
| Why is this troll still here? First of all, it's not my script. Second, it has absolutely nothing to do with a DOS attack. - chuckx - |
| Differing moral codes? (5.00 / 1) (#39) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:40:05 PM PST | |
| I mean really, there should be no need for a reply at all after reading the subject of your post! As if there were any moral codes other than the one laid out in the Bible!
But since your stance is obviously immovable on christianity being anything but the one, right, true way to live I won't go TOO far into arguing that all semetic based religions are a bunch of bunk. And your proof for this ridiculous statement is? I'm guessing you're just another product of the Liberal establishment, trained from birth into believing in relativism and the cult of science. Secondly - who ever discounted amination as a respectable art form, capable of expressing complex ideas and ideoligies? *sigh* Animation is nothing more than a bastardisation of acting, and simply cannot express the subtle range of emotions that a real person can. As such it's suitable for children's entertainment, but hardly so for something a grown up would want to watch. Firstly I question your term "anti-christian symbolism" - what is that exactly? Symbolism that attempts to subvert Christianity obviously. It's hardly a complex phrase is it? but nevermind - With a broad statment like gratuitous violence, you have just encompassed almost the whole of humanity, especially those of the "chrisitan" faith. I challenge you to find me a violent person who is claims to be pagan. Atrocious use of punctuation there BTW. And a counterexample for your question is easy - Hitler was a pagan. Moving on, Christianity has MORE PAGANISM IN IT than an anime fil could ever HOPE to achieve - not that paganism is a bad thing. Are you really that stupid? Anything that is part of Christianity is Christian. That's just basic logic. Perhaps you should learn some. First, use a spell checker - its spelled pedophilia. Secondly, WHAT KINDA DRUGS ARE YOU ON? 'cause I want some. Nonsense - a pedophile is someone with a disgusting fetish for feet. That's not the same thing at all. No seriously - how can you even SUGGEST that anime is pushing pedophilia to children??? First let's get one thing straight - Manga and anime have been around alot longer than disney style animation. Wrong. The first example of a manga film was around 1958, a few years before Astro Boy was released. Get your facts straight before attacking me please. Christ - what kind of fucked up person are you anyway, showing mature film like that you kids? I would not show that to my children! What kind of sick person are you to even suggest such a thing! I will conced that some "anime" like Pokemon and DragonBall Z ARE oriented towards kids, but hey you've got a fucking job as a parent to raise your kids how you want - and that means that if movies like Bubble Gum Crises are deemed inappropriate by you then DON'T WATCH THEM AND DON'T LET YOUR KIDS WATCH THEM! Is this the same Pokemon that shows children summoning demons to do their bidding? My children won't be watching Satanism, that's for sure! I think that my above comments do an adequte job of disproving this statement - let me be the first unsalvageable hardened sinner you've met. Sadly there are sinners out there such as yourself which refuse to see the Truth, yes. But I can only pray that one day someone finds you and brings you into the light of the Lord, whether you want it or not. After all, it is every Christian's duty to hold the souls of their fellow men in paramount importance. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| hitler was a pagan? (none / 0) (#63) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:25:06 PM PST | |
| you might want to check up on your history there bubba... hitler was a good christian man and was backed by the bush family. the bush family has never done any wrong have they? putting aside the whole shrub stealing the presidency thing. |
| Err, Hitler was not a pagan... (none / 0) (#67) | |
| by Deadly Tedly on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:28:50 PM PST | |
| ...he was a Catholic. He was born in the Church, baptised and served as an altar boy. He was never excommunicated and always maintained he was a true Catholic (even if he was the only person who thought so). Certainly we Catholics would like to forget that, but it just goes to show that there can be many different interpretations of a religion, some rather extreme, even though it contains a simple list of instructions like the Ten Commandments.
link 1 link 2 link 3 Secondly, if you think that pornographic anime cartoons are intended for children, you are delusional. Just because it is animated, doesn't mean it is for kids. Animation is used as an art form to express all kinds of messages, humorous, pornographic, religious and otherwise. It is no different from painting, sculpture, theater and literature. And like all those other forms, animation can be good, bad, offensive or tame DT |
| Exactly! (none / 0) (#74) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 04:28:30 PM PST | |
| ...he was a Catholic. He was born in the Church, baptised and served as an altar boy. He was never excommunicated and always maintained he was a true Catholic (even if he was the only person who thought so).
Exactly! He was a Catholic, who are many things but most certainly not Christian! Christians worship the Lord, not idols and the Virgin Whore. The filthy idolatry of the Catholic "faith" marks them out as being pagans through and through, although insidiously the pretend to be of the True Faith which makes them all the more dangerous in my Book. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| Let me get this straight.... (5.00 / 1) (#82) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 06:47:32 PM PST | |
| See, this is the saddest part of modern Christianity. You claim to be a Christian, and I assume that you are a member of a Protestant Church. On that assumption I would like to point out that without the Catholic Church, there would be no Protestantism for you to be a member of. The Catholic Church is decended from the early churches founded on Jesus' teachings. I also find it disturbing that as a good Christian, who is supposed to love his brother, you are exhibiting blatant racism in your hatred of Japanese produced anime.
Also, the individual earlier who spoke of paganism in Christianity, is absolutly right. Every year I assume that you put up a Christmas tree and tell your kids about Santa. Both of these symbols have their roots in pagan religion and history, but were incorporated into the Christian celebration of Christmas because early Christians were converted pagans and wished to continue those traditions that they felt did not conflict with their new faith. I do hope that this has served to educate you just a bit, and I sincerely hope that you will learn to bit even a bit more tolerant of those who are not like you. I will say for the record that I was raised in a Christian home and attended Church for 17 years straight before God called me to do his bidding in other ways. By virtue of my lifestyle and beliefs I no longer fall under the constraints of your Christian Church but I do have a very close relationship with God. I would ask that if you attack any statement that I have made it not be my beliefs, I simply ask that you show my beliefs the same respect I have shown yours. Thank you. "May the Creator bless and guide you along the pathway you choose." |
| Like I said... (5.00 / 1) (#90) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:02:37 PM PST | |
| ...different interpretations.
Like it or not, Roman Catholics were there first. Even if you have issues with the Catholic Church, at least appreciate that they kept the Word alive for several hundred years in the dark catacombs before anyone had anything to protest about and move to a different flavor (relativism anyone?). Maybe "Love your brother" means nothing to your brand of "CHRISTianity". Maybe "Virgin Whore" is not a contradiction in terms to you. Maybe Jesus was American, not Palestinian, even if America didn't exist for 800 more years. Hopefully, you do understand the bit about shaking the dust from your feet and moving on. DT |
| "Catholics were FIRST?!" (none / 0) (#96) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:23:46 PM PST | |
| Read some history books, your statements are simply ridiculous. Catholics split off from the Christian church around the turn of the first millenium. -- Peace and much love... |
| I know I'm late and all that... (none / 0) (#598) | |
| by Kitsune Aywen on Sat Dec 22nd, 2001 at 09:07:05 AM PST | |
| No, neither the catholics nor the protestants were first. The church 'split in two'. The mainstream back then was more catholic than protestian, but each fraction will tell you the other is the splinter group, even though it doesn't really matter. ^^ Originally, they weren't organised in a church in the first place.
Kitsune |
| that has nothing to do with it. (none / 0) (#603) | |
| by nathan on Sat Dec 22nd, 2001 at 11:31:11 PM PST | |
| You Western-centered ignoramuses are a riot. There's more to the Christian world than Catholics and Protestants, you know. Man, you probably think Zen Buddhism originated in Japan. Anyway, the original Christian church had assorted schools of thought within it, some of which generated modern churches. If I recall correctly, there were eleven principal churches, such as those of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, and Alexandria. Some traditions originating from these churches are quite distinct from anything credal in the Western churches. For instance, the Monophysites (Nestorians) believe in the unified nature of Jesus (ie, He had one nature that was both divine and human, as opposed to the Western churches, which believe that Jesus had two natures.) The history of church succession is very tangled. The Great Schism, in the XIIth century, is the name given to the split between the Byzantine church and the Roman church. The Pope and the Ecumenical Patriarch excommunicated one another over issues of primacy. Since then, the Eastern church has claimed that its practices are those of the original Apostolic church, which is to say the church established by the Apostles. This is what Mr. Tkatchev is talking about. I advise you to do much reading before responding further. Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| I'm well aware ... (none / 0) (#612) | |
| by Kitsune Aywen on Tue Dec 25th, 2001 at 03:00:58 AM PST | |
| ... of the fact that there are more Christian churches than the two which are 'mainstream' today. I chose a random post from this arguement to reply to, because I was sick of people trying to decide which church was first - the two 'mainstream' churches today became existant at the same time, at least if you see them in contrast to each other. But it's beside the point anyways.
Kitsune |
| nice try (none / 0) (#613) | |
| by nathan on Tue Dec 25th, 2001 at 10:18:17 AM PST | |
| ...but it's obvious Mr Tkatchev was talking about the Catholic/Orthodox schism, and you responded as though he were talking about the Catholic/Protestant bifurcation instead. You are weak! You will be destroyed! Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| Uh huh, Who is the idiot? (none / 0) (#687) | |
| by atenHi on Sun Feb 24th, 2002 at 08:01:20 PM PST | |
| "You Western-centered ignoramuses are a riot. There's more to the Christian world than Catholics and Protestants, you know. Man, you probably think Zen Buddhism originated in Japan."
Not that I have any argument here, but nathan is not the Wondersmartboy he claims to be. Zen Buddhism DID originate in Japan. It is a mix of Buddhism and Shinto. HAHA! Caught you! |
| lol. (none / 0) (#647) | |
| by BillyGreene on Sun Jan 13th, 2002 at 12:37:34 AM PST | |
| That's sad.
You want the other person to read their history books yet you appear to know nothing about history? The protestent reformation occured about 500 years after the turn of the millenia. The protestent church broke from the catholic church from political reasons more then religious reasons. The religious reasons revolved around the papacy, which spiraled into the use of idols etc. Catholics DID NOT SPLIT OFF, you split from us. |
| wait a second.... (none / 0) (#213) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:07:19 PM PST | |
| Christians worship the Lord, not idols and the Virgin Whore. The filthy idolatry of the Catholic "faith" marks them out as being pagans through and through, although insidiously the pretend to be of the True Faith which makes them all the more dangerous in my Book
First: Ok so you dislike Catholics enough to call the Virgin Mary a whore, which is odd. the definition of a whore is: whore (hôr, hr)n. A prostitute. A person considered sexually promiscuous. Mary is in no way a prostitute, and therefore not a whore. Second: Does this mean by any chance that you don't like Jesus as well, he was jewish after all and so he would have had different views than you. |
| Heh, where are the humans? (none / 0) (#519) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Dec 6th, 2001 at 10:06:47 PM PST | |
| No he was probably referring to various cultural "sects" of Catholocism that place heavy emphasis on Mary, such as Latin American Catholocism. Some times this worship can get heavy handed at times yes, but that in no way justifies the comments Mr. Anti-Everything-But-Me put forth.
As such I have just reread Gulliver's Travels, for those who may not know, written by a dean of a catholic church in ireland... and find that it puts all of this rubbish into perspective. At the very end Gulliver has returned from his travels around the world and after many agreeable and disagreeable ones finds that the human race is such an absurdity from all of our haughtiness and pride whilst being pretty disgusting beings. It was the pride part that was fun to read though...
A good and relevant quote would be: "...a fancy would sometimes take a Yahoo to retire into a corner, to lie down and howl, and groan, and spurn away all that came near him, although he were young and fat, and wanted neither food nor water; nor did the servants imagine what could possibly ail him. And the only remedy they found was to set him to hard work, after which he would infallibly come to himself. To this I was silent out of partiality to my own kind; yet here I could plainly discover the true seeds of [a type of depession], which only seizeth on the *lazy*, the *luxerious*, and the *rich*; who if they were forced to undergo the *same regimen*, I would undertake for the cure."
i.e. quit whining, especially when you're too darned proud (that's one of those deadly sins, right? lol) to actually see your own wretchedness.
and all that without ranting about El Hazard myself... Hyper-Fujisawa-kick!!! |
| VIRGIN WHORE?! (none / 0) (#367) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:14:58 AM PST | |
| OK, now that's just retarded. What is the matter with you?! I'm not a Catholic, but Mary was God's chosen vessel to bear the Christ-child. A VIRGIN. Where are you getting the WHORE from?! By stating this you are saying that Christ was born from a whore - and that the Bible is lying - therefore GOD is lying, since the Bible is His divine inspired Word. Just because you do NOT agree with Catholics DOES NOT give you the right to trash Mary - by doing that you're showing your complete ignorance and not only that, you're snubbing your nose at God's desicions. |
| True Faith (none / 0) (#432) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 12:26:35 PM PST | |
| Ah, much like you claim to be of the 'True Faith'. Who is to say which is 'True' and which is false? You? I think not. I, personally, wouldn't trust you to do the job correctly, anyway. No one who prejudices as you do can objectively state what is right and what is wrong. I'm not saying that I'm any sort of a good judge of the correctness of any religion, either. Mr. Erikson, in my personal opinion, I think it would be best for all if the entire subject was dropped, or, at the very least, you use some tact in your future posts. Near future, preferably.
The problem seems to be in the fact that you have been attacking various subjects without taking into account the possibility, however slight, that you may have begun while still uninformed. If you'd like, I'm sure I could offer you some excellent anime to view that even I, someone without even a working VCR, have managed to see. If you would take the time to take it apart, piece by piece, and analyze it for what it was meant to be, you would see that it is not necesarily 'evil', depending on what you're analyzing. Many anime are somewhat immoral, I admit, but those are the anime not esigned for moralists to view. They were the ones designed to make money off of those who enjoy watching such. In a previous post, I have offered to you the anime 'Neon Genesis Evangelion' to watch, a metaphor in itself of various Christian ideas. Now I also offer to show you a show aimed at teenagers, female ones in particular, but also males. 'El Hazard: Wanderers' is an anime TV series that has little, if any, immorality in it. Aside from the antagonist of the series doing his evil deeds, but that's generally expected, isn't it? If you don't like the anime after you see it, that's perfectly fine. But I seriously doubt your righteousness when you discredit something you've not seen. Granted, that was a bit of a hypocritical statement itself. I, myself, am prejudiced against American movies and TV shows, based on only about a few dozen or so of each. Then again, I'm talking about the recent things. And that's only really commercials for most of them. But I'm sure you get the idea. And at this point, I'm rambling. Shut up time for the Nintaku. --Nintaku, one of the few people who ramble about El Hazard 'A UFO! Makoto, look! Somebody, look!! Hey, where is it going? Come back here! You're supposed to abduct people when they're alone in remote places! Don't they read the tabloids?' -Nanami Jinnai, El Hazard: Wanderers |
| So what am I? (none / 0) (#449) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:48:52 PM PST | |
| I'm LDS. If you think of Catholics as idol worshippers, and evil-doers, and pagans, what am I? WHAT AM I?!!!! Retard.
You know, you were doing just fine. You had your opinions and everything. You were headed straight to Heaven until that last comment there. I just wish I could see the look on your face when you don't end up on the right hand of God like you think you are. |
| the hell? (none / 0) (#569) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 16th, 2001 at 02:48:45 AM PST | |
| whats wrong with pagans??? |
| I cannot believe you. (none / 0) (#559) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Dec 14th, 2001 at 09:30:21 PM PST | |
| I am very offended by your comment about Catholics. I was raised Catholic. I go to church. I worship God and Jesus. I don't worship idols. The Roman Catholic church was around before any other Christian church. The reason we have so many denominations in the Christian Church is because groups of people didn't agree with the way the church was being run (or in the case of the Church of England didn't want to stay married), so they broke away and formed another church. Another way to believe.
Also, Hitler being a Catholic does not mean a thing. There have been many cruel and horrible people in other religions. |
| My toughts on the subject (none / 0) (#78) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 05:17:50 PM PST | |
| I mean really, there should be no need for a reply at all after reading the subject of your post! As if there were any moral codes other than the one laid out in the Bible! There are over 270 religions with a rather large number of followers that state they are the true and only; I think my point here is obvious and refutes your argument. But since your stance is obviously immovable on christianity being anything but the one, right, true way to live I won't go TOO far into arguing that all semetic based religions are a bunch of bunk. And your proof for this ridiculous statement is? I'm guessing you're just another product of the Liberal establishment, trained from birth into believing in relativism and the cult of science. Hipocrisy is blatant here. You have no proof, other than fait, of your statements (please don't call what you do not agree "ridiculous", that just won't help). I could equally guess you are just another product of the dominant Christian establishment, trained from birth into believing in the Word of The Lord (notice that I'm respecting the capitalization of all references to the christian God, clearly trying to have a friendly exchange of ideals without offending your religious beliefs) and the submission to Him. On an additional note, science is not a cult by the definition on the dictionary. Destructive, doomsday religious groups can be literally considered cults, not science. Secondly - who ever discounted amination as a respectable art form, capable of expressing complex ideas and ideoligies? *sigh* Animation is nothing more than a bastardisation of acting, and simply cannot express the subtle range of emotions that a real person can. As such it's suitable for children's entertainment, but hardly so for something a grown up would want to watch. I differ. Good animaters (that, by your chain of thought, could be compared to good actors) take an incredible amount of time considering all the little details of the image (color, brightness, details, etc), the sequence of images, the sounds and the story (Ghost in the shell and Evangelion are excelent animation examples of exceptional art and sound with an incredible deep, intelligent and captivating moral story, that criticizes our society and warns us of what would happen if we take certain attitudes). Also, your attempt to define a child and an adult as something totally opposite and ridiculing adults that watch denominated "children entertainment" lacks a good base to stand. Children grow at different rates and some of their tastes do not go away with age and there is not a standard of evolution nor an assurance that they will fade away of "childish" things. I challenge you to find me a violent person who is claims to be pagan. (refering to Ravnos) Paganism is not anti-christianity, it is a term used to label a collection of Earth-based religions. And I really don't see your point here; even if there wasn't any violent pagan, it would prove nothing. Hitler was a pagan. Hitler was neither a pagan or christian; Hitler recognized that the Church, and Christianity as a whole, was not an immediate threat to his plans. He believed in his German Aryan God, which was supposedly the thought path that began his Aryan supremacy goals. Most Pagan Gods or Goddesses are not blonde haired and blue eyed (many aren't even portrayed as a material entity at all). Moving on, Christianity has MORE PAGANISM IN IT than an anime fil could ever HOPE to achieve - not that paganism is a bad thing. Are you really that stupid? Anything that is part of Christianity is Christian. That's just basic logic. Perhaps you should learn some. I think that Ravnos intended to transmit the idea that Christianity was inspired by the paganism that was around in the time that it was rising. First, use a spell checker - its spelled pedophilia. Secondly, WHAT KINDA DRUGS ARE YOU ON? 'cause I want some. Nonsense - a pedophile is someone with a disgusting fetish for feet. That's not the same thing at all. To Ravnos: that kind of behavior is, at my eyes, deplorable and highly insultive. Respect those that do not agree with you and respect will be returned to you. To Jon Erikson: a pedophile is someone that molests children; it has nothing to do with those with feet fetish. Is this the same Pokemon that shows children summoning demons to do their bidding? My children won't be watching Satanism, that's for sure! This a usual misconception between satanism and satan worship. Please read this for more information. I think that my above comments do an adequte job of disproving this statement - let me be the first unsalvageable hardened sinner you've met. Sadly there are sinners out there such as yourself which refuse to see the Truth, yes. But I can only pray that one day someone finds you and brings you into the light of the Lord, whether you want it or not. After all, it is every Christian's duty to hold the souls of their fellow men in paramount importance. I already discussed the matter of the "Truth", so there is no need to repeat that. But, the two sentences that follow it sincerely irritate me; we have the right to pratice our beliefs, as long as it doesn't interfere with the well being or beliefs of the others. I ask of you to not try to impose christianity upon me, just as I ain't trying to impose anything upon you. For the record, I'm not an atheist, I'm an empirical agnostic. Oh, and pardon any orthographical error that you might enconter in this comment. |
| How closed minded.. >.< (1.00 / 1) (#194) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:59:14 PM PST | |
| How can you call yourself an Americian? How can you say that there is only one right religion? How are you so sure that the anime or manga creators are in line with Saten? How do you even know if they even believe such an entity exists?
I find your artical very poorly done indeed. Firstly you watch some hentai and then apply it to the rest of the Japanese animation. That is stereotyping, and I will point out stereotypes always seem to end up wrong. For example, am I to believe all Christians as openminded as a rock? That they are all puritian wannabes? I think not, especially since I was baptized as one. You also try and say that those who are open enough to say that Japanese animation is a thing of evil are trying to force it down your throut. Then you turn around and are doing just what you are objecting to, you are trying to shove the OPINION that its Japanese Animation is evil. And besides, if Japanese Animation is that evil, then how come God has not ridden the world of such a 'plague'? *Marie* |
| YOU are an idiot. And I mean that in a bad way. (none / 0) (#446) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:33:08 PM PST | |
| <i> *sigh* Animation is nothing more than a bastardisation of acting, and simply cannot express the subtle range of emotions that a real person can. As such it's suitable for children's entertainment, but hardly so for something a grown up would want to watch. </i>
So, uh, you're saying that Bugs Bunny isn't suitable entertainment? Or are you just referring to the "red-headed stepchild" of animation, or Japanese anime? Dammit, if you want to prove a point, at least refer to it right! <i>Is this the same Pokemon that shows children summoning demons to do their bidding? </i> You have GOT to be kidding me. What kind of car do you drive? Or do you ride a bicycle, because you think "horsepower" channels the energy of demon horses to make the car go? Anime is an expression. I assume you are the type of person who wants to ban all books other than reference books from the library shelves. You want to see people like Britney Spears burn in Hell. You want everyone who isn't a Christian to bow down at your feet and beg your forgiveness. "Freedom of speech." Heard of it? I believe it's in the Constitution. You aren't God. Don't try to act like Him. |
| Why did you say this? Just answer (none / 0) (#589) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 19th, 2001 at 10:51:38 PM PST | |
| First off i pity your children. Secondly, why did the senior consultant for NPO Technalogeis say this: you're just another product of the Liberal establishment, trained from birth into believing in relativism and the cult of science.
cult of sceince? What? |
| STRIKE,1,2,3 YOUR A BAKA!! (none / 0) (#611) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 24th, 2001 at 09:20:52 PM PST | |
| Ok first strike:
People say Disney is a art,why can't anime be a art? Strike 2: ASTRO BOY IS ANIME NIMROD Strike3: This has nothing to do with this article,Ive seen your other posts mister.Erikson. I can't believe you call women Trolls cause they don't beleive what you believe!! We people like what we like!! You are narrowminded,sick,and perverted!! |
| Baka is Right! (none / 0) (#694) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Feb 27th, 2002 at 02:47:46 PM PST | |
| OMG! This is one of the worst pieces of closed minded- cr** that I've ever seen.
I have one question,... well maybe two or more. Who are you to judge any other person because of the shows they watch on television? Pokemon and summoning evil creatures... come on now lets be real. Have you even seen an episode of that show? Pikachu looks no more evil than a household cat, don't tell be... cats are evil too. I personally am happy that i watch 'filth' like Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon. No that doesn't make me a 7 year old and I'll tell you right now that there are people twice my age watching those same very shows. Maybe somebody needs to clear this up for me... Is Sailormoon evil because their skirts are too short and they have magical powers (like the faries in Sleeping Beauty) and is Carpcaptor evil because Saukura uses a staff and can call upon the forces of nature (somewhat like Pocahontas)? You know what, you had the odacity to call me a geek...and all of the people, my community that watches anime. Well guess what... who's the geek who sits at home and disses other things, having a mini-crusade to fight against the evils of animation. I'm sure many will agree with me. Oh and one final comment, how god loving is it to put pictures of your sacred people over hentai images (which you so totally over blow as being the basis of Anime)? You can flame me here michiru@shaw.ca have fun and just to let you know... I put up a fight.. a fight to the bitter end. And to all of my Anime groupies (JK!) stand tall, stand proud for we are the smart few ^_^ *gyun!* Straight from Kawaii_Michiru's computer! |
| I agree also!! (none / 0) (#735) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Apr 21st, 2002 at 10:42:31 AM PST | |
| You make it look like ALL anime is bad! But that's NOT true!! Not ALL of the anime shows out there have porn and violence in them! Just the ones YOU mentioned!! I used to not like anime that much, but YOU made me like it MORE!! How can you say Sailormoon is a bad show?!?! Don't come whining to me saying "I never said any about Sailormoon!" But YES YOU DID!!! You said that ALL anime is bad!! Don't you even know what Sailormoon is like?!? (probaly not! ^_^ :P) Don't you pay attention to the comercials?!? "Sailor Moon! The power of love and friendship!!" Does THAT sound bad!! Honestly, some people are REAL IDIOTS!!! |
| Morality? (none / 0) (#638) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 6th, 2002 at 01:22:49 PM PST | |
| I really wonder who should be setting the battle lines on this one. I will not follow the preachings of a man who claims to be moral via his life preaching through the Bible simply because who is devout in his way carries the blind point of view as the one who he is arguing against. Usually, this is the same person who like the anime fan, is a fanatic about his faith and chooses to tell all others about the wonders it carries and the message it sends. Regardeless of who dose not want to hear it, this same fanatic goes foward to preach his way and what he has learned, which is usually not the message. Unfortunately, none usually hear the message because it is covered in hate... which always draws a crowd. If something is truly bad, then it will usually make its self known. This has been proven through history and the Bible. Immorality is too proud to be hidden. But one cannot preach about the evils of anything unless they have an understanding of all of it. This to has been written in the Bible. Unfortunaltely, no one man can fully grasp all of Morality except the One, and he died a long time ago.
Here is the folly: Your pridefully preaching about hate. You are not warning others about "bad manga" but telling others that thinking for themselves is bad and to listen only to you. You never present anything as good, bad, or neutral as to allow others to make an understanging for themselves. All of your arguments were also used against another abomination know as "rock-and-roll" and "rap music". People went out to show the evils of the satanic lyrics and horrible rythm. Somehow, henious and irrepentable sinners like Amy Grant and Jars of Clay evolved from this medium. And music that was not approiate was dubbed as not suitable for children. An ungodly man diggeth up evil: and in his lips there is a burning fire. |
| Oh, you're a moral relativist... (none / 0) (#53) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 02:09:59 PM PST | |
| ...why didn't you just come out and say that at the start, you'd have saved us the time spent posting... -- Peace and much love... |
| duh (none / 0) (#55) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 02:12:43 PM PST | |
| you should've read the subject of the reply :-) |
| if you're a moral relativist... (none / 0) (#70) | |
| by nathan on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:33:06 PM PST | |
| ...you are also a nihilist, so you might as well shoot yourself in the head right now. The only thing stopping you from realizing what an unbearable hell your nihilistic world must be is, of course, the mind-blinding drugs you must choke down by the kilo. I hope that you are able to drag yourself out of the pit before it's all over. Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| Nihilism does not imply suicide (none / 0) (#76) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 05:07:22 PM PST | |
| Yes, admittedly I am a nihilist.<bR><br>but nihilism does not imply suicidal, nor does it mean that life is meaningless. Rather, while life holds no intrinsic value - I findmyself caught up in the exploration of it. And when I've learned what I need to, then I move on to the next thing - whatever happens in death.
<br><br> All of Life and reality is an illusion, a shroud that we rest on. Nihilism is acknowledging that and then seeking the deeper underlying meanings. <bR><br> the Ravnos <a href="http://www.freespiritmind.com">FreeSpiritMind.com</a> |
| Nihilism does not imply suicide (none / 0) (#77) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 05:07:55 PM PST | |
| Yes, admittedly I am a nihilist. but nihilism does not imply suicidal, nor does it mean that life is meaningless. Rather, while life holds no intrinsic value - I findmyself caught up in the exploration of it. And when I've learned what I need to, then I move on to the next thing - whatever happens in death. All of Life and reality is an illusion, a shroud that we rest on. Nihilism is acknowledging that and then seeking the deeper underlying meanings. the Ravnos FreeSpiritMind.com |
| Nihilism. (none / 0) (#93) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:17:47 PM PST | |
| Nihilism of the secular brand just doesn't work. If you bring it to its logical conclusion, you necessarily must commit suicide; however, most secular nihilists hypocritically avoid the question. (Which leads me to conclude that it's just a crafted pose to mask their hate of God.)
If you really want to embrace nihilism, you'll have to learn to justify it with Christian theology. Still a stupid thing to do, IMO, but at least it would be logically defensible. -- Peace and much love... |
| For troublesome stains, use Nihilism[tm] ! (none / 0) (#149) | |
| by because it isnt on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:22:37 PM PST | |
| Nihilism of the secular brand just doesn't work. There aren't any other brands of nihilism, though. Please point out the part of "nothing can be known or communicated" that allows a specific religion to be taught (or communicated) to a nihilist, in order to believe it. I do agree with your other point, though. If you're a nihilist, there's really no point wasting the rest of the world's time by existing. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| Christian nihilism. (none / 0) (#151) | |
| by tkatchev on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:40:49 PM PST | |
| Actually, it's a very short step from Christianity to nihilism. Christianity actually teaches that this world (including our own bodies and minds) is inherrently flawed, imperfect -- i.e. "sinful"[1]. Which, in fact, is the essence of nihilism.
However, the Christian nihilists are leaving out one last step -- God is love, and where there is love, there is hope. [1] "Sin" in original Greek means "missing the mark", i.e. "failure to achieve perfection". -- Peace and much love... |
| secular nihilism (none / 0) (#155) | |
| by alprazolam on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:35:50 PM PST | |
| God is love, and where there is love, there is hope. Substitute "Drugs" for "God" and there's your reason for continued existence. |
| Precisely how do you figure? (none / 0) (#662) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Feb 2nd, 2002 at 03:33:03 PM PST | |
| From my standpoint on Nihilism, I live quite well. Life, having no intrinsic purpose or value allows me to create my own, and not have to worry about any attributed purpose I may not agree with. "Because the world owes us nothing, we owe eachother everything." This is also a secular, non-thiestic "nihilism" (Actually somewhat of a misnomer, I don't believe destruction is good merely because it is an actual true effort), heavily influenced by Nietzsche, who gets accused of nihilism more often than not.
-Phaedrus ifeelsick@collegeclub.com |
| mind blinding? (none / 0) (#774) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jul 25th, 2002 at 07:17:54 PM PST | |
| How can a drug be mind blinding. Think before you type. |
| Assinine (none / 0) (#54) | |
| by Right Hand Man on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 02:12:39 PM PST | |
| Firstly, immorality is always a relative thing That is utter tripe. Really, the idea the morality is relative is one of the most disagreeable things I can imagine. Relative to what? To each individual's desire to be immoral? Claiming that morality is relative is simply a weak minded way of attempting to rationalize deviant behavior and avoid its consequances. You then go on to question Christianity, which just serves to further reinforce your already glaring ignorance. Did you even try to open your mind Why do you God hating left leaning hand wringers always try to get leverage out of the phrase 'open your mind'? You folks have co-opted it to mean 'just accept everything that comes your way'. Someday you'll have to face the fact that your actions have consequences that you won't be able to argue your way out of, probably shortly after you die. You need to realize that the highest goal to which you can aspire is not to be as inoffensive and accepting as possible, it is to show people wrong from right, some things are simply wrong and there is no need to be open to them. I challenge you to watch something like Firefly Graveyard... Why not just challenge someone to sell their soul to the devil himself? how can you even SUGGEST that anime is pushing pedophilia to children??? The people who want to erode the strong moral base of the United States, most likely so they can turn us into a bunch of pacifist whiners who won't put up any resistance when attacked because we don't want to engage in any sort of 'cultural superiority', typically start with the children. They know that most adults in America are of strong mind and Christian faith and are not as susceptible to their propaganda. They push their filth on the children who are not yet able to fully comprehend the enormity of God's power. But I don't force it on you Yeah, like someone of your ilk can be trusted not to force themselves on others. You must have missed the central theme in this article, that these cartoons are merely the starting point for a career in full blown child raping, you start watching these things for the thrill they provide you religion deprived mind and before long your out on the streets, looking to imitate what you saw on television. ------------------------- "Keep your bible open and your powder dry." |
| OK! (none / 0) (#58) | |
| by Stretch on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:03:22 PM PST | |
| Why not just challenge someone to sell their soul to the devil himself? I accept your challenge, unfortuantely, I am not sure how to make the transfer. Does the devil have a website? e-devil.com? I would rather make this transaction electronic, if possible. What is the going rate for souls these days? A couple million dollars? Sex with a movie star of my choice? I just don't want to get ripped off, you do understand I am sure. If it is too hard to sell my soul to the devil perhaps I will just run down to the local Blockbuster (owned by those heretic Mormons) and rent some anti-christian anime if that is a more possible challenge than selling my soul. One would think the devil would prefer direct sales however... |
| No (none / 0) (#62) | |
| by Right Hand Man on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:22:48 PM PST | |
| Satan, son of a bitch that he is, no longer does direct transactions. No, the payment for your soul comes in the form of an earthly lifetime of frivolity and immoral acts. In trade, you will spend eternity in the depths of hell. Of course your youth and ignorance allow you to make light of this fact but don't fret, you'll eventually come around. ------------------------- "Keep your bible open and your powder dry." |
| Hmm (none / 0) (#68) | |
| by Stretch on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:29:25 PM PST | |
| Seems like a lot of work just to get myself kicked into hell. Is there an easier way to get there? And don't tell me kill someone or anything of that nature. Again, that is far too hard for me. Like I said, a website would be nice. |
| Very easy. (none / 0) (#95) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:21:23 PM PST | |
| Just commit suicide. -- Peace and much love... |
| No. (none / 0) (#141) | |
| by Stretch on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:14:24 PM PST | |
| What part of "kill" did you not understand? |
| that's it? (none / 0) (#69) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:31:38 PM PST | |
| what about a few random immoral acts, but not exactly a lifetimes worth, or not the best immoral acts. will i get my soul back in a couple of weeks? |
| Frivolty aside. (none / 0) (#94) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:20:02 PM PST | |
| Yes. If you repent. (Though repenting implies much more than saying "I'm sorry". Remeber that God knows your every thought, even those that you can't admit to your own self.) -- Peace and much love... |
| The correct translation of Satan (none / 0) (#112) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:14:50 AM PST | |
| The translation of Satan from Aramic is The Accuser
It seems Right Hand MAn that you have taken very well to the satanic role you have set out for yourself by calling people names and what not. AS for the term sin. The greek word is Hamartia which means roughly that an archer has missed his mark. In other words everyone misses the mark including you and that means that only God can judge. Sorry to burst your assumption of God's role Right Hand MAn. You really need to open and READ the Bible instead of parroting Pat Robertson. |
| My guess (none / 0) (#65) | |
| by Squire of Gothos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:27:26 PM PST | |
| is it's pretty damn hard anymore. |
| Numeral issues (none / 0) (#83) | |
| by neutral on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 07:20:09 PM PST | |
| Firstly, immorality is always a relative thing That is utter tripe. Really, the idea the morality is relative is one of the most disagreeable things I can imagine. Relative to what? To each individual's desire to be immoral? I agree it is not relative; it is subjective. For example, let's look at a game of chess, between blue and green (white and black is too much symbolic); for the blue side, the opposite green are the "evil" ones, meaning they are the "good" ones, and they feel that they must destroy the "evil" green ones. The exact thing happens to the green ones; for the green side, the opposite blue are the "evil" ones, meaning they are the "good" ones, and they feel that they must destroy the "evil" blue ones. Claiming that morality is relative is simply a weak minded way of attempting to rationalize deviant behavior and avoid its consequances. I find this incredibly hipocritic, considering the argument you make about "open mind". You can not simply claim that what you consider an explanation for deviant and erratic behavior is a product of a weak willed mind, for it is not an argument in which you can stand. You then go on to question Christianity, which just serves to further reinforce your already glaring ignorance. This is insultive and revolting! Questioning christianity, or any other religion, is not ignorance! It is our right to have an opinion and please do not denigrate those that have an opinion that is not equal to the one you believe. Why do you God hating left leaning hand wringers always try to get leverage out of the phrase 'open your mind'? Why do you generalize? On what base, other than that of your experience? How can you be certain of what you say? I never try to leverage a discussion for my side by simply stating that "you are stupid and do no understand with that closed mind of yours", because, besides being insultive and certainly not respectful, it wouldn't move the lever one bit. You need to realize that the highest goal to which you can aspire is not to be as inoffensive and accepting as possible, it is to show people wrong from right, some things are simply wrong and there is no need to be open to them. Nothing is inherently wrong or right, like I hope I have clearly explained previously. I challenge you to watch something like Firefly Graveyard... Why not just challenge someone to sell their soul to the devil himself? Guess this means that you can't stand opposition to yourself. And violently denying this statement would be the proof of that. The people who want to erode the strong moral base of the United States(...) This shouts hipocrisy! What strong moral base would that be? The one where, for example, the american leader is the spoiled son of a powerful politician from a wealthy oil family who is supported by religious fundamentalists, operates through clandestine organizations, has no respect for the democratic electoral process, bombs innocents, and let's others use war to deny people their civil liberties? Or would that be the strong moral America where, for example, they traffic drug to support their Contras? Where they stuff up a kitty with electronics to spy on the soviets during the Cold War? Where they use mind-altering drugs to be able to brainwash someone into accepting their ideals? The examples are almost endless, and they are considered true patriotic (patriotism is the love and dedication towards an imaginary frontier devised by man) americans. Also, by no means am I trying to say that the other countries are any better... (...)most likely so they can turn us into a bunch of pacifist whiners who won't put up any resistance when attacked because we don't want to engage in any sort of 'cultural superiority', typically start with the children. Are you discretly stating that you are cultural superior than the others? And, coincidence of all coincidences, one of the strongest argument on the article "Not just harmless fun" are the children. Do you not see contradiction here? They know that most adults in America are of strong mind and Christian faith and are not as susceptible to their propaganda. You repeat the hipocrisy of the subject already discussed about the "open mind"/"strong mind". And we could revert that and say that some adults in America are of "strong mind" and (other religion) faith and are not as susceptible to other religions propaganda. They push their filth on the children who are not yet able to fully comprehend the enormity of God's power. Let's reverse this: you push your filth on the children who are not yet able to fully comprehend the enormity of religious beliefs. But I don't force it on you Yeah, like someone of your ilk can be trusted not to force themselves on others. We do not force nothing; we suggest, we present our opinions. Are you saying that we should not have individual opinions? That's what I perceive from that comment. Additionally, you openly force your ways down our guts while mistankenly say that Mr. Ravnos is attempting to do the same. You must have missed the central theme in this article, that these cartoons are merely the starting point for a career in full blown child raping, you start watching these things for the thrill they provide you religion deprived mind and before long your out on the streets, looking to imitate what you saw on television. AH, by your conclusion I could just as easily state that The Bible is merely the starting point for a carrer in a full blown killer of those that oppose his interpretation of The Bible, being influenced by the violent scenes such as the crucification of Jesus and before long he is on the streets, looking to imitate what he perceived from what he has read. And instead of trying to censor cartons, start by understanding why they are done in the first place. As I stated before I registered, I'm not an atheist, I'm an empirical agnostic. Please pardon any orthographical error that you might encounter in this comment, because I haven't got time to revise what I have written right now. |
| Grave of the Fireflies (none / 0) (#233) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:27:17 PM PST | |
| Enough time has been spent on most of your arguments, but your dismissle of Grave of the Fireflies is unaddress. Your claim that to view it is equivalent to selling one's soul to the devil. This is one of the most uninformed assumptions I have read on this entire page of comment, and trust me, there are many that must be either misinformed or out-and-out lies.
Grave of the Fireflies is a touching and pitiable story of a brother and sister who lose their parents at the end of World War II. The film follows their lives, happiness, and hardships trying to recover during the end of a losing battle and its aftermath. I will not say more about plotline for those who haven't seen it. (It is a must see whether you care for most anime or not) Please explain how trying to understand people trying to repair broken lives can be equated with dealing with the devil. Jesus taught love, not just for those who share your personal philosphy of life but all humanity. If we, christians (and I mean we), are to love even our enemies, how do you justify condeming all anime viewers to hell. Astribulus |
| A little confusion here... (none / 0) (#249) | |
| by neutral on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:20:04 PM PST | |
| Ahem... you seem to be adressing Mr Right Hand Man, not me. Please reply to HIM, not me. The italic sentences were quotes of the comments of Mr. Right Hand Man. The bold sentences were quotes of the comments of Mr. Ravnos.
To reply to him, simply press the "Reply to this" link that is at the end of his post. |
| ok honestly people, (none / 0) (#211) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 08:52:29 PM PST | |
| ok let me try to get this straight.
You need to realize that the highest goal to which you can aspire is not to be as inoffensive and accepting as possible, it is to show people wrong from right, some things are simply wrong and there is no need to be open to them.
So by pushing/forcing your beliefs on someone else you are aspiring to be... what? A Know-all, a I-know-I'm-right-and-everyone-else-is-wrong kind of person? Need I remind you that no one knows everything. Sure God does, Jesus does, but no other mortal human does. For instance remember that the Catholic church (and just about most religions before that) thought that the world was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. Add to that, peoples; definitions of right and wrong differ
go back to the civil war, white plantation farmers truely thought that slavery was RIGHT. There are many other instances like that.
Yeah, like someone of your ilk can be trusted not to force themselves on others. You must have missed the central theme in this article, that these cartoons are merely the starting point for a career in full blown child raping, you start watching these things for the thrill they provide you religion deprived mind and before long your out on the streets, looking to imitate what you saw on television
Ok really, only people who are already messed up in their minds would do that. That is just like blaming the violence in today on videogames. If people should blame it on anything blame it on the news. Thats where people hear that these things are happening. Go ahead and shoot down my arguments if you wish, I just hope you realize not everyone acts out what they see around them, if everyone did, or maybe even just half of everyone living, then there would be so many more deaths. |
| just wanted to point out to ya bro.... (none / 0) (#377) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 04:13:04 AM PST | |
| your screen name makes you look like you support masturbation!
as a good christian, of course, spankin' it is no doubt grounds for some serious assraping at the 'hands' of some demon... so ya might wanna thinkabout changin' it be well :), Anime, AND Hentai, kick serious ass |
| YOU DESCENDANT OF LUCIFER!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#748) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun May 12th, 2002 at 07:06:58 PM PST | |
| how dare you sy that!!!!!! the problem with you guys is you just watch n watch n watch!!!! you dont even want to understand the message of the anime!!!!! its anime that teach us some life lessons! all you guys think about are yourself!!!
you dont even think about what other people think! if your so kind and a "very good" christian, why did you put jesus' picture on the anime picture?! thats bad! your evil to do that! and why would you write this article if your soo "good" that means your evil! befor thinking that anime is bad, think about yourself! YOUR THE MOST EVIL PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!! all you say are nonsense!! if anime is sooo evil the character wouldnt even care if all the people around them died! but no! they protected even the people who they dont even know!!!!!! SOME anime is evil not all!!!!!!! and what makes it LESS violent is that its ONLY drawings!! telenovelas are MORE evil!!! SOME PARENT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS THE DEVIL THE ONE EVIL CORRUPTED AND THOUGHTLESS!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Over Dramatic (none / 0) (#751) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 31st, 2002 at 08:18:07 PM PST | |
| Anime is not evil....I like anime because its more intense than movies. I personally think that cartoon sex or "Hentai" is disgusting and is for losers with no social lifestyle what so ever. Hentai is not Anime. ohh and HOW DARE YOU PUT CHRIST ON THAT DIRTY CARTOON YOU WILL GOTO HELL YOU MORON. Ohh and all the religions are semi-correct I believe that if you live your life in a normal manner like lying cheating stealing as we all do no matter if its a computer game or something else its the experiences we have that chooses our destiny Experience is the reason why we are on earth! Why else would god/(whatever you believe in) create us? To fear him take time out of our lives to worship him in a place. If we worship god at home I don't think he will care! What ever religion you have I believe you will be with the gods/god you believed in while you were living and that heavan is a place for all religions you guys might not call it heave but whatever good place we goto after we die. And for those who believe in reincarnation....umm...your totally right but our spirit doesnt go into another animal just our rotting corpses whatever floats your boat. and for all the atheist well your screwed you non-faithful dull people you will most likely fail in life :) Thats my two words Dont take me seriously I'm only 13 years old :) |
| Unfair (none / 0) (#527) | |
| by nate sama on Sat Dec 8th, 2001 at 02:28:50 PM PST | |
| Once again, Mr. Erikson, you make me ashamed to be Christian, when people like you are making such statements. How can you say that being a "geek" is a sin? Certainly it is a social handicap, but a sin?? I myself was once these so-called "geeks" back in high school, and I look back on those days and wish I could be that enthusiastic about the gospel now. And even though I am not Catholic and have so problems with their doctrines myself, I would appreciate it if you would stop making such inapproprite comments about them. Not agreeing with you does not make a person evil. Nathaniel Irvin anime_america@yahoo.com http://anime3037.virtualave.net/ "When everyone is thinking the same, no one is thinking at all." |
| okay...too far.... (none / 0) (#627) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jan 1st, 2002 at 05:14:26 PM PST | |
| i understand that you dislike anime, fine, but you keep talking about god. Are you sure that god exists though? anyways... You are calling those who like anime geeks now? you are nothing more than a mere discriminating jackass, your opninions dont matter |
| mwHAHAHA (1.00 / 1) (#200) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 08:11:39 PM PST | |
| i can't stop laughing my head off, you are so damn ONE sided it's not even funny. I am a geek, yeah, you know what, geeks are the only people in society who know their place in society. I'm proud to be a computer/video game/anime geek, and if you want to contest it, I'll be glad to tell you i interact with society everyday. I deal with a school full of teachers and administrators, students my age, girls, and everyone else. People respect me because I'm nice and I do many things for people.
get a damn life and open your one sided pathetic view on society delta |
| ~_~ (1.00 / 2) (#276) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 05:04:48 AM PST | |
| great now im classed as a geek os i watch anime?....FUCKEN HELL! what is wrong withyou people...i'd say epople who waste their time on the internet and puter all day are geeks...but thats just wrong...the only geeks i know aer people who spend time on usless things like this...and watch stoopid pointless movies...(like: American Beer, Earnest goes (whereever he fricken goes)....anyhows....you forget there are other types of anime too...not just henati...and sci fi...but also comedy, action, drama and so on just like normal movies...~_~...and there are also ones for younger veiwers...like Thunder Cats, Samurai Pizza Cats, Transformers (yes thats rigth Transformers)....and no big eyes arent just anime...~_~....egad!...*sighs*...this guy needs to get a life and stop wastig my time adn his own...though he can go and rot in hell or wait an eternity in Pergatory |
| ATTN: seventypercent and the Adequacy editors: (none / 0) (#284) | |
| by tkatchev on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 06:05:36 AM PST | |
| This article was zeroed due to horrible, repeated misspellings and abuse of punctuation.
Can I please stop now? -- Peace and much love... |
| Thank you for opening my eyes (none / 0) (#331) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 06:00:39 PM PST | |
| Oh my god, I have to thank you so much. I just realized that since I love anime, manga, and computer games, I must also love pornography. I didn't quite realize this until you opened me up. In fact, why am I even bothering typing this? Im wasting valuable time I could instead be using to find pictures of chicks with dicks |
| You dont know what you are talking about! (none / 0) (#634) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Jan 4th, 2002 at 01:39:20 PM PST | |
| now that's not very nice. Insecure people just need help functioning, but it isnt permanent. Animated pornograpy has been around for years, even before Anime came about! To understand Anime, you need to understand Japanese culture as well. Animation isnt just for children there, and you arent treated as inferior or "retarded" for watching it. It is a creative and imaginative media. Of course there is always the opposite side of the spectrum, and some use it for bad, but isn't that the same with AMERICAN television? MOST people dont watch pornography, and it is the same with animated pornography in Japan. MOst anime is harmless and romantic or comedic, and if you watched it without a stubborn bias, you may find that you enjoy it, like MILLIONS of ethical Americans. |
| How intolerant (none / 0) (#653) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jan 19th, 2002 at 11:02:46 PM PST | |
| This is how stereotypes operate: An unenlightened person lumps every member of a certain group together as being exactly alike. There are certainly a few people that watch anime that are exactly as you described, but the majority are quite different. I find it interesting that you feel you can be so judgemental about other people; I doubt you are flawless yourself. Another thing: If anime is all about the sexy girls, why would I, a heterosexual female, be interested in watching it? I watch anime because I love the beautiful artwork, the good storylines, and Japanese humor. Not all anime is about sex anyway. It is not something everyone would like, but I'm sure there is something in your video cabinet that I wouldn't enjoy(and I'm not calling you any names).
Freija |
| Just to point out (none / 0) (#657) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Jan 27th, 2002 at 07:27:52 PM PST | |
| we named OUR towns after BRITISH towns! Just thought id point that at |
| sad (none / 0) (#658) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Jan 28th, 2002 at 07:04:28 PM PST | |
| You people are bigots posing as concerned Christians |
| um what the hell have you been watching??? (none / 0) (#665) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 5th, 2002 at 04:27:14 PM PST | |
| Anime is not satinism. Ever watches sailor moon? I think not because you haven't see the really meaning of anime. You must be getting some porn movies which are bad for children but they have the right to watch them. Some people make things porn like the pictures you found but you have porn everywhere and its not from the japaneses. you are a racis. And a geek for waisting your time writing this!!!! Before you go blaming people on their culture you should know that your culture isn't perfect either. If you think all this then won't you go to hell to for watching the movies? Pervert...I know you liked then thats why you rented so many on them and now you have sinned so you have to try and make up for it and tell everyone anime is bad. Go to Hell because no one gives a shit about what you think....ok? |
| animee (none / 0) (#676) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 19th, 2002 at 10:49:31 PM PST | |
| i dont like pornography or computer games , i like animee ...if you dont like anime ....DONT WACHT IT... |
| Hel-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! (none / 0) (#701) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Mar 13th, 2002 at 07:42:37 PM PST | |
| THIS is the new Millinium! NOBODY thinks like you do anymore! If it weren't for anime, ALL your daughters would be like Wilma and Betty from the Flintstones! Only good as housewives, cooking and making babies!
HOW DEGRADING!!! pfft! Ever watched an anime episode where the main female character always saves the day? Doesn't end up wearing skimpy attires? Isn't always showing off their good looks but more what's inside??? Oh my... I guess you don't know about that... poor you, I guess you made a fool of yourself! ^^ Now... about the 'geek' thing... would you say that Gillain Anderson, who watches anime with her kids, a geek? And yes, we're talking about Scully here! Look where she is now! BIG STAR, EMMYS, HIT TV SERIES, MOVIES.... oh... wait... maybe you don't believe in women getting THAT much achievements in a life time... poor me, I guess I made a boo boo! *snicker* Anyway, ciao... I'm off to watch another anime where the a geeky looking guy goes to a tough University with a girl of his childhood promise... Who ends up more better than I can say for the people and yourself who agrees wiht you... ^^ Anime Knight |
| Oh look, he's trying to set an example..... (none / 0) (#744) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun May 12th, 2002 at 02:13:38 PM PST | |
| I didn't read all of it because it's ignorant and just childish. You claim this is bad and this is good, yet look at what your preaching. Your saying this is evil and what not yet your local priest is molesting his 9yr old alter boy. You need to concentrate on what you beleive in then to go out and find something to release your anger on. Sell your computer and buy a million rosaries and give them out to every one, atleast your doing something right for God. |
| YOU THOUGHTLESS DEVILS!!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#747) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun May 12th, 2002 at 07:02:53 PM PST | |
| IF YOU HAVE NOTHING GOOD TO SAY JUST SHUT THE F*** UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| Snort.. (none / 0) (#772) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jul 23rd, 2002 at 12:10:37 PM PST | |
| Well, actually what you're refering to is 'hentai'. >.>;; Anime is actually made for children, in case you didn't know. Have you actually seen an anime? I would suggest for your understanding level to watch Hamtaro and/or Pokemon. |
| You sick nazi bastard (none / 0) (#773) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jul 25th, 2002 at 05:53:47 PM PST | |
| you have to be the sickest person since richard nixon to publish his sick and evil thoughts |
| anime (none / 0) (#780) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jul 30th, 2002 at 08:47:32 PM PST | |
| you all are being racist . go kill yourself .a. right man |
| A lack of faith. (none / 0) (#782) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Sep 3rd, 2002 at 04:41:47 AM PST | |
| First:
If you look at the American video industry, about 95% of the titles released are pornorgaphic in nature. This is the nature of the current market. Please do not assume that Japan has any kind of monopoly on adult materials in the video department. Second: I work for a major internet company, the kind that sells connections to smaller internet companies. I would estimate that up to 50% of the traffic on the Internet is either for porn requests, or for spam, much of it advertising porn. It is amazingly easy to think that there is nothing but porn on the net. Indeed, I would not be suprised if the Middle East thinks that all we do is have sex with our siblings and pets all day; just from looking at what we have up on the internet. (The basic point here is that it is not truely representative of what our pratices really are, or even the tastes the average man or woman has.) Third: I will not refute the argument that Japan has some of the most, shall we say, "unusual" sexual tastes in the world. It is amazingly easy to bring these images up and stick them in someone's face as an absolute. This is not the case for most tevelized Japanese animation. To assume this would be to assume that Americans are watching nothing but porn all day because most of the titles produced are of that nature. Fourth: Japanese animaters use big eyes not to attract children, but to express emotion better. If you have noticed, Disney is moving toward this as well. Fifth: I have met very few crusaders who truely were operating from a sense of God's direction, as much as a sense of fear. Many of the most effective witnessers that I have met are soft spoken, as they have a good sense of who they are, and where they fit within God's will. They often speak from a joy of what they have found, rather than a horror of what is not within God's realm. It is those who are less secure of where they are within God's will that will often act as barking dogs in the hope that they can gain God's favor by doing so. The fact that you are openly offensive to other religions tells me that you are more interested in proving that you are right than you are interested in helping those you talk to. I would suggest that you learn to guide, rather than to attempt to beat into submission. when you openly insult someone, they will close their ears to you. Do you truely wish to stand before God and watch every person who might have listened to you if you had not been so insulting to them first? I would not wish to be in that position. Finally: If you truely wish to have an understanding of what is happening in America today, please consider the fact that we sell our days to a corporation at the lowest wage that they can get us for. Most of us do not have time to properly raise our children. Our divorce rate is at 60%, primarily because we do not have time to see our spouses, and because we are behind on our credit card payments, giving us money problems. Payments that were caused by advertising that creates a want for goods that we don't really need. I look at what was in my grandparents' houses, and my apartment has a lot more junk in it. We are taught from cradle to grave to spend more than we make, to never save, and to be constantly unhappy that we don't have more. We are taught to be induviduals, rather than partners to our mates. We sacrifice our children because we fear that we do not have enough money to support them, so we wait until we are too old to conceive. Dean Christian and anime fan. The first step to financial freedon is to turn off the television. |
| I wonder (1.00 / 1) (#14) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:58:52 AM PST | |
| why a Web site as controversial as Adequacy.org would resort to blatant censorship of the subject matter at hand. Isn't using J. Christ to (literally) hide breasts a most decidely inadequate thing to do? |
| It is simple (5.00 / 1) (#15) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:03:23 AM PST | |
| As a devout and dedicated Christian my aim here is to combat this sickening scourge, not to encourage it! Knowing that despite the best efforts by the tireless editors of this site that the moral underclass of "geeks" will be reading here and that they are vulnerable to any suggestions of a sexual nature (being so lacking in experience), I decided that the only sensible, moral course of action was to protect this naive souls from certain damnation at the hands of their rampant lusts. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| It's actually a trap. (5.00 / 1) (#25) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 11:48:01 AM PST | |
| Mr Erikson is trying to convince the good people of Adequacy to gaze upon filthy unsecular theistic imagery. The only way he can do this is by juxtaposing the filth with some wholesome scenes of hentai.
I, for one, won't stand for this sort of mind-trickery and propaganda. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| morally corrupt geek seeks asian 12 year old (1.00 / 1) (#31) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:15:17 PM PST | |
| Allright, that's going a bit far -
First, I'm a programmer and network administrator by trade, a geek if you will. I also like anime. (being so lacking in experience) I also get laid on a regular basis thankyouverymuch. and the only naive soul I see here are the poor ignorant christians, so unwilling to open their minds to the fact that they could very possibly be completely wrong. Speaking for attractive pagan geeks everywhere, let me say, we don't appreciate your meddling in what we should or shouldn't watch. And as a devout and dedicated "satanist" my aim here is to combat the sickening scourge of chrisitanity that has been destroying this earth, lo humanity itself for over 2000 years. Thankyoupleasedrivethrough The Ravnos |
| I hope you are aware (5.00 / 1) (#33) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:24:03 PM PST | |
| That pagans have beliefs that are just as incorrect as the christians are, and every mention of "satan" perpetuates the mythical anthropomorphisation of evil. You're only doing their dirty work for them. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| most definitely aware (1.00 / 1) (#37) | |
| by Ravnos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:36:43 PM PST | |
| Absolutely - I just find it a useful stance to take when pointing out the flaws in chrisitanity (which while just as flawed as paganism, I personally find it more offensive due to it's evangelistic nature).
One might say I'm a gnostic. I don't follow any religion, simply because I believe that by organizing a set of beliefs into a religion, you weaken those beliefs. While I AM spiritual, my beliefs are not set in stone, and change over time and situation. and as for satan, all myths have their place - just remember - it's still a myth :-) The Ravnos FreeSpiritMind.com |
| God damn..you must have issues.. (1.00 / 1) (#186) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 07:31:36 PM PST | |
| Okay I read this artical and I'm very infuriated with the fact that you have to put down the beautiful art of anime.. This is a disgrace to all who love anime. It isn't just cute girls in mini skirts or big muscle men ripping each other to peices! You sir must be a huge ASS!
Anime is a beautiful art intended for the older audience..no The dub people are as big bastards as YOU! The stories are very beautiful and well thought out. Takeuchi-sama is one of the most beautiful artists and manga writers out there! And now I want to bitch 'bout these "satanistic" powers. Are you some kind of Puritan? Jesus.. I may be catholic but that doesn't mmean I'm not allowed to enjoy the pleasure of anime. I just hope to god that you shove all that shit you said about anime down your damn throat! You sir had angered the wrong crowd! Now I hope you en't gonna be an asshole no more..but if you have a problem with this post be ready for me to talk yur ear off. AIM; T0raNek0 Email- Chibi_Sin_@hotmail.com Hope you burn in hell always, Sin. |
| Oh my god (1.00 / 1) (#120) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 05:58:46 AM PST | |
| What did they do with Jon? They mind raped him. how sad. If we live long enough to encounter judgement day, I'll kill you. because you sir, you will be the buttkisser of the antichrist, who will lead an so called extremist christian alliance.. When you pray to god, you are most likely proud to be one that has seen the "light", And only that indicates that your soul is doomed.
btw, it isnt very smart to insult 3/4 of the world and give your email adress |
| how the hell did you get those pics (1.00 / 1) (#272) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 03:51:39 AM PST | |
| Heh, Im wondering about HOW did you GET those pictures? Sick minded freak, and then you attach Jezus pics on it making it even sicker. you sir, are the most perverted guy Ive met on the internet |
| Now that's just mean (none / 0) (#352) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 10:11:37 PM PST | |
| Believe me, if I weren't so sure you were joking, me and several of my geek friends would hurt you. "Moral underclass"?!?! I think you might want to loosen your own morals a bit, they seem to be cutting off the supply of blood to the little brain you have left. I thank you profusely for protecting me from myself; I think I'll go torture some small, helpless animals to take my mind off my rampant lusts. |
| Thanks for illustrating his point. (none / 0) (#370) | |
| by tkatchev on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:18:45 AM PST | |
| I think your post illusrated Mr. Rightmann's point beautifully. The worst part is, you probably don't even realize how horrible you come off; "moral underclass", indeed. If you are a typical example of g**k "culture", then I have little faith in the future of America. -- Peace and much love... |
| Actually (5.00 / 1) (#56) | |
| by Right Hand Man on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 02:17:16 PM PST | |
| There don't appear to be enough graphical representations of Jesus and Mary. In both pictures the children's buttocks are clearly visible, as well as the area between the breasts. This is clearly obscene, although they serve the purpose of demonstrating how incredibly depraved these cartoons are, without crossing the line into the dark land of hardcore pornography. ------------------------- "Keep your bible open and your powder dry." |
| Boulderdash (none / 0) (#16) | |
| by Sylvester Q McNamera on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:16:48 AM PST | |
| I do say. I can't be bothered to read your nebulous dribble, but based upon your silly graphics one can only imagine that it's quite the load of crap. First of all, I assume you are using your misguided five minutes of fame to attempt to defame Windows users and the culture which Microsoft has spawned, and to attempt to promote that rougue Linux crap. Windows is so easy to use no wonder it's number one, and you smelly hippy freaks had better just accept it. I for one won't stand for your insolent behaviour so you can start to work on your retraction post haste. Secondly I also imagine that you have made several broad generalizations and post modern assumptions about culures and the genesis of them, again, your bias probably negates any correctness you may have stumbled upon. Thirdly, I can only assume that you have not backed up any of your writing with concrete references, thus the readers of this fine site will be left to their own devices with regards to verifying the stuff you probably made up. Normally this would not be a problem, but all the new retarded K5 users will certainly get their panties in a bunch over this. Fourthly you have more than likely not paid enough attention to detail, instead focusing on large breasted women in slutty clothing. Oh sure, one can never get enough of slutty women and the like, but really old chap, is this the proper medium for that kind of talk? After all, what would your parents think? To summarize, I would give you a -1 rewrite and suggest that you resubmit under MLP and I'll reconsider. Best wishes, --S.Q. McNamera |
| Just like a Liberal (none / 0) (#17) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:22:55 AM PST | |
| I do say. I can't be bothered to read your nebulous dribble, but based upon your silly graphics one can only imagine that it's quite the load of crap.
How typical of the Liberal mindset to only read one side of the story and then proceed to denounce any alternative positions based upon whatever collection of piss and wind they can come up with! You sir, are what is wrong with America today, and if I had my way you'd be packed off to a Christian re-education camp for the state of your soul. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| Sylvester sounds like those evolutionists (none / 0) (#18) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:34:07 AM PST | |
| Who, when I asked them to provide counter arguments to their theory, got all huffy and vitriolic. Every theory should have its critics and counter arguments. A. Rightmann |
| A few quick questions. (none / 0) (#19) | |
| by chuckx on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:34:36 AM PST | |
| Are you implying that all Americans are Christian? Or maybe just that all American should be Christian? Do you have any tolerance for those who choose to follow a different faith? - chuckx - |
| Not all Americans are Christians (none / 0) (#20) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:40:02 AM PST | |
| but America was founded as a Christian nation, and most Americans are Christian (though most of the Christians are of the heretical snake-handling Protestant cults).
But do forgive our zeal for trying to steer non-Christians away from their hellbound pathes. If you knew what was at stake, you'd be zealous, too. A. Rightmann |
| At stake (none / 0) (#88) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 08:39:35 PM PST | |
| I assume you mean my soul is at stake. I accept that you believe that, but I require a little more evidence before I buy into this assumption. I have been reading comments on this site for several days now, and I would appreciate it from this day forward if you could take into consideration that a small portion of your audience neither faithfully believes in the Lord nor requires steering away from your transposed concept of hell.
I guess it all goes back to that question 'if a tree falls in a forest and noone is around to hear it, does it make a sound?' If I die right now, not believing in anything, will my soul vanish? Yours will go straight to heaven if you ask you, but do you care what I think? |
| The Founding Fathers were NOT Christians! (none / 0) (#127) | |
| by neutral on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:24:03 AM PST | |
| "Infidelity is liberty; all religion is slavery." - Thomas Paine America was founded as a Christian nation I've heard this repeated often enough that it's almost become a mantra by a few Christians in trying to define this country as something they want it to be. Yes, it's true that a large percentage of Americans are Christians. A rather recent Gallup poll found that 25% of us were Catholic and some 52% of us were some form of Protestant. We are, therefore, a predominantly Christian nation by demographics. But does that mean that the Founding Fathers were Christian or that they tried to instill Christian values into our original Constitution? Actually, nothing could be further from the truth. John Quincy Adams, Ethan Allen, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, James Madison, Thomas Paine and George Washington were all Deists. A Deist is not a Christian -- Deism does not recognize revealed religion, preferring instead a view that "while God created the universe, he is not directly involved in it". They eschew miracles, the divinity of Christ and generally practice no regular worship service. They prefer a naturalistic view of the world to one influenced by the supernatural. Ian Robertson, in Sociology (3rd edition, Worth Publishing Inc.: New York, 1987) said, "At the time of its founding, the United States seemed to be an infertile ground for religion. Many of the nation's leaders - include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Benjamin Franklin - were not Christians, did not accept the authority of the Bible, and were hostile to organized religion. The attitude of the general public was one of apathy: in 1776, only 5 percent of the population were participating members of the churches." So much for the theory that our country was founded by Christians. Jefferson, Paine, et al, were not that unusual in their day -- especially among the educated elite of the 18th century. While they were political radicals in the sense that they sought to divorce the States from the British Crown and establish a new kind of government, they also held much in common with the European philosophers of the day. The concept of Libertad was beginning to take root in Europe -- ironically spurred by the nationalist fervor stoked by one of the last of the great emperors, Napoleon. While our founders were not generally Christian, neither did they have any interest in quelling the practice of any given religion, they well understood the perils of theocracy as well as the more insidious one of state-sponsored oppression. The most prolific of the bunch were Jefferson and Paine. While Paine had a more acerbic view of Christians and Christianity, Jefferson once wrote in a letter to William Canby, "Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern, which have come under my observation, none appear to me so pure as that of Jesus." While he did not subscribe to Christ's divinity, he did recognize him as a singular teacher and greatly respected the basic tenets of Christianity. John Adams exposed his clear Deist thinking in a letter to F.A. Van der Kamp (Dec. 27, 1816) when he wrote, "As I understand the Christian religion, it was, and is, a revelation. But how has it happened that millions of fables, tales, legends, have been blended with both Jewish and Christian revelation that have made them the most bloody religion that ever existed?" More to the point of the mistaken idea that America was founded on Christianity is this excerpt from the Treaty of Peace and Friendship signed with the Barbary coast (Tripoli), November 4, 1796: "As the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion, -- as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion or tranquillity of Musselmen,-- and as the said States never have entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mehomitan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries." From Ethan Allen's own pen: "I have generally been denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious I am no Christian, except mere infant baptism makes me one; and as to being a Deist, I know not strictly speaking whether I am one or not." (From Reason the Only Oracle of Man.) Paine was perhaps the harshest of all the original patriots in his condemnation of religion. In Age of Reason, he said: "I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any Church that I know of. My own mind is my own Church." ... as well as ... "The story of Jesus Christ appearing after he was dead is the story of an apparition, such as timid imaginations can always create in vision, and credulity believe. Stories of this kind had been told of the assassination of Julius Caesar." So, you ask, what is my point? Am I trying to say that we were founded by a group of anti-Christian rebels or that our nation's ideals do not incorporate much of what is good about Christianity? Not at all. I'm thinking about the religious forces that helped to propel G.W. Bush into the office of the Presidency -- forces which had great hopes for bending the rules a little here, a little there on issues like abortion, gay rights, and separation of church and state. And I'm wondering just how Jefferson or Paine would react to the Alan Keyes and Randall Terrys of today if they could speak. I'm wondering if the religious activists who believe that their version of faith is better than any other have ever stopped to consider that the shoe fits on both feet. I'm asking out loud whether they believe that groups like the ACLU -- demonized as anti-Christ and anti-God for their defense of unpopular views -- would come to their side just as loudly if they were in the minority. We are a nation of variation and we have designed our laws to honor the majority while protecting the minority. When the extremist thinkers of 1776 sat down to finalize their act of rebellion -- jeopardizing their homes, their families, and their very lives before the bayonets of King George's troops -- it may have been Thomas Paine's words that echoed in their minds: "He who would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression." I've read somewhere, "Tolerance is compatible with our freedoms, as long as neither a tyranny of the majority, nor a special-interests minority hold sway over others." Couldn't have said it better myself. |
| Forgot to mention (none / 0) (#128) | |
| by neutral on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:30:39 AM PST | |
| Here is some additional quotes (some that I find very insightful) by Thomas Jefferson: "Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blindfolded fear. Do not be frightened from this inquiry by any fear of its consequences.... If it end in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in its exercise and in the love of others it will procure for you." "I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition [Christianity] one redeeming feature. They are all alike, founded on fables and mythology." "The Christian god is a three headed monster, cruel, vengeful and capricious. If one wishes to know more of this raging, three headed beast-like god, one only needs to look at the caliber of people who say they serve him. They are always of two classes: fools and hypocrites." "And the day will come, when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as His Father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva, in the brain of Jupiter." "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man." Have a, eh, glorious day. |
| Mr Adam Rightmann... (none / 0) (#434) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 12:44:29 PM PST | |
| ...so what you're saying with your statement "souls are at stake" is, basically, that anime is evil and decadent and a scourge upon our perfect, shining, upright American shores (pfft), right?
*takes a good long look at her extensive anime and video game collection. Cowboy Bebop, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Outlaw Star, Trigun, Rurouni Kenshin, and Hime Mononoke, all in neat little rows.* ...I am SO going to hell. But, you know...since you and Jon here have both technically blasphemed the name of God by naming yourselves judge and jury in His stead, I guess I'll see you both there, won't I? *flashes him a bright, saccharine-sweet smile* Have a wonderful life! |
| Easy answers (none / 0) (#42) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:44:33 PM PST | |
| Are you implying that all Americans are Christian?
One day perhaps, but no, not now. And since the Liberals snuck into power, they have fought tooth and claw to erase decent Christian values from our once-great nation. Or maybe just that all American should be Christian? Of course. This is a Christian nation founded on Christian ideals! The idea that anyone can not be a Christian is preposterious! Do you have any tolerance for those who choose to follow a different faith? Don't get me wrong - I don't hate these people. Many of them have simply been deluded into thinking their beliefs are right, and can be guided back into Truth by the actions of concerned Christians. It's only those that willingly reject the Lord that deserve our hate, for they are the minions of Satan intent upon corrupting the souls of our children and condemning them to Hell. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| Deluded? (none / 0) (#422) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 07:57:45 AM PST | |
| By that argument, I could say that you've been deluded into thinking your beliefs are right. Granted, this argument could last forever, and most likely will unless someone shuts up about it. Or, preferably, everyone shuts up about it. I doubt that will happen any time soon, though. The more I read your poses, Mr. Erikson, the less credible you seem as someone to take seriously. Sorry.
--Nintaku, ...That Guy... Yeah, him. 'Superstition. And, jealousy.' -'Dragula' by Rob Zombie |
| Look, pal... (none / 0) (#763) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jul 4th, 2002 at 09:25:35 AM PST | |
| Don't get me wrong here, because I'm canadian and didn't take history classes that spoke of world's soooo perfect nation, but I do remember the world "Freedom" being everywhere. Freedom is far from being a Christian concept, as far as I'm concerned. And freedom of religion is parts of what make America so great.
And maybe Christians just don't have all of the answers? I, myself, am officially a Christian, but I base my life on a bunch of moral values that mean a lot to me. I don't pray every day, but I don't think other people would be shocked at all if there was no Christianism. But if I killed someone, and there was no Christianism, that would be immoral. Like I said, good principles alone could make the world a better place, but Christian values usually are restrictions that keep others from doing something harmless. Anyway, I won't go any further because that would question your religious beliefs, which I don't want to do. (I'm positive I've been labelled as satanist by now so that wouldn't help my credibility very much...) But remember that "Don't hurt people because you wouldn't want to be hurt, and that would make the other person sad", is a LOT better than "Don't hurt people or the Lord will give you a spanking you'll never forget after your death!" in my opinion... I let you think about it. Oh and one last thing: Anime is not the way you described it. Well, most of it. Of course, there is a lot of porn and discutable situations in anime, but the series aimed at children are heavily edited before anything too violent or sexual reaches the (american, anyway) kids. And when you said Pokémon was about kids summoning demons to do their biddings, I nearly fell off the chair... "From the dark depths of Hell, I summon thee, the great unholy Jigglypuff!! Go and use your dark energy borrowed from Satan to make that opponent fall asleep to win that friendly battle against an overly cute blue crocodile that shoots water as its main weapon!!" I don't think little kids have tried to summon Pikachus from the depths of the unholy lands using chicken blood and black candles made with human hair... yet. Oh and, before you think I'm trying to corrupt influenceable minds... Kids, don't listen to my nonsense. What I think is simply impossible by all means. |
| Blasphemy (none / 0) (#26) | |
| by Sylvester Q McNamera on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 11:50:47 AM PST | |
| I say, you're quite incorrect in your untenable anaysis of my response. To make such wild and dubious references regarding any form of organised religion which survives only to besmirch the one true religion, which we know is the Southern Baptist faith, is quite beyond even the scope of this open minded web site. May the baby Jeuss himself come back and slap you in person for that insolent remark. It's obvious to anyone with the ability to comprehend the Kings English that you should spend your time improving your writing skills and adding flavor to your food instead of making these wanton attacks on a God fearing Baptist such as myself. I'll have the prayer group at my mission add you to their prayer list tonight. You surely need it. Best wishes, --S.Q. McNamera |
| You sir are a deceiver! (none / 0) (#43) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:48:05 PM PST | |
| To make such wild and dubious references regarding any form of organised religion which survives only to besmirch the one true religion, which we know is the Southern Baptist faith, is quite beyond even the scope of this open minded web site. May the baby Jeuss himself come back and slap you in person for that insolent remark.
I call you out as a lier and a deceiver, for no True Christian would misspell the name of Jesus in such a blasphemous way! You call yourself a Baptist, but you are nothing but a tool of Satan in his quest for damned souls. Quite frankly you're lucky to be hiding behind your online identity, for otherwise myself and several other concerned Christians would be knocking on your door right now, to ensure your filthy lies no longer bother decent folk. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| I will ask elby for the ip logs (none / 0) (#44) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:52:02 PM PST | |
| and perhaps we can track down this heretical McNamara and send an exorcist team over, it's the least we can do for a loyal reader. A. Rightmann |
| You shall perish Mr. Wrongman (none / 0) (#47) | |
| by Sylvester Q McNamera on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 01:03:44 PM PST | |
| Me and my "gun rack mounted in the back window of our pickup trucks" Baptist friends shall be awaiting your nefarious lot with hot molten bundles of speeding lead, as it were. I should think you would be wise to retract your statement before you are forced to deal with the Southern Baptist style of vengance. Lets just say that it might be the will of God for your arse to be closely associated with a variety of farm animals in ways that your friends and family members would find rather distastefull. You, on the other hand, I'm sure would enjoy it, you sick twisted poser. Now stop your silly crusade or I shall be forced to tell you to stop again. Best wishes, --S.Q. McNamera |
| LoL (none / 0) (#216) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:13:59 PM PST | |
| So... you're also willing to kill this guy and or hurt him because of a typo?? Yeah... some merciful guy you are there. |
| You sir are a moron (none / 0) (#230) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:07:08 PM PST | |
| Quite frankly you're lucky to be hiding behind your online identity, for otherwise myself and several other concerned Christians would be knocking on your door right now, to ensure your filthy lies no longer bother decent folk.
As you are lucky to be hiding behind your online identity, or millions of decent americans would be knocking on your door to insure that you cannot spread your stupidity. |
| uhhh... go look in a mirror (none / 0) (#176) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 06:16:38 PM PST | |
| before i start, i must say that reading these post was quite interesting. although i do not agree with the idea that anime is a bad influence on society, i feel that others have the right to believe in what they believe.
but one thing that frustrates me while reading these post is the hypocracy apparant in your arguments. you yourself say: "How typical of the Liberal mindset to only read one side of the story and then proceed to denounce any alternative positions based upon whatever collection of piss and wind they can come up with!" but at the same time, you yourself are commiting this act. you judge that this person is some ignorant moron. then you proceed to bash not only his thoughts, but his own person. its also amusing to see, at least to me, two opposite sides of the spectrum argue about topics in which they both have different interpertations about. yes, hentai is revolting, but not all anime is like that. and yes, christianity may be hypocritical, but it does not mean it is wrong to believe in it. everyone is going to have a different opinion, that is what makes the world an interesting place. |
| Bobo's two cents ... (none / 0) (#429) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:51:25 AM PST | |
| Speaking of reading "one side of the story," go back and re-read your stupid article. See if THAT isn't one-sided |
| "Rougue"? (none / 0) (#21) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:58:33 AM PST | |
| I assume that you either meant "rouge" or "rogue", didn't you?
P.S. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. As a liberalist, you're supposed to study Merriam and Webster as if it were the Bible. -- Peace and much love... |
| I'm not a liberalist (none / 0) (#28) | |
| by Sylvester Q McNamera on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:00:19 PM PST | |
| I'm quite the modernist, thank you. Now run along and stop pestering me with your tripe. I suggest an 8 year stint at the Uni, then perhaps you'll be able to engage a person of my stature in meaningful banter. Oh the nerve of some people. Best wishes, --S.Q. McNamera |
| You lose. (none / 0) (#52) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 02:04:48 PM PST | |
| Modernism is just a sub-category of liberalism. As usual, liberalists flat-out refuse to acknowledge that there exist people that think outside their secular-humanist cage.
P.S. Don't insult me, I'm probably smarter and more experienced than you, judging by your infantile pose. -- Peace and much love... |
| big words rule! (none / 0) (#60) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:18:03 PM PST | |
| but do you ever get your chain yanked?!?!
adequacy.org -- it makes my head hurt |
| Huh? (none / 0) (#92) | |
| by tkatchev on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:12:14 PM PST | |
| Sir, that comment was inadequate. -- Peace and much love... |
| I never liked anime (5.00 / 2) (#22) | |
| by typical geek on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:58:49 AM PST | |
| and it did cause me grief among my geek friends. They would get a new VHS copy of something like Gundam Wing or Princess Monomonkey (back in the 80's, before DVDs existed) and schedule a party around it. No chicks ever showed up though, so I would just go out to the bars, drinks lots of beer and try to pick up heavy chicks (and succeed once in a while). I don't feel so bad now, the reason I don't like it is that I'm not a pedophile. gcc is to software freedom as guns are to personal freedom. |
| Why do you like 'heavy' chicks? (none / 0) (#29) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:07:21 PM PST | |
| You should rush back to your geek friends and apologise for the error of your ways. You're shacked up with the back end of a donkey while your gaijin chums have hit the jackpot of the dating scene. Mmm. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| I found heavy chicks less likely to have boyfriend (none / 0) (#30) | |
| by typical geek on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:13:56 PM PST | |
| s, and more like to want to go home with me. gcc is to software freedom as guns are to personal freedom. |
| water finds its own level (none / 0) (#32) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:19:05 PM PST | |
| Ganbatte. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| spoken like someone who never did a fatgirl (none / 0) (#35) | |
| by typical geek on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:29:17 PM PST | |
| oh boy are they fun, and grateful! gcc is to software freedom as guns are to personal freedom. |
| As we say, "nice personality" (none / 0) (#45) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:52:36 PM PST | |
| The asian prawn-crackers I have known may be high-maintainance, but at least I can be with them in public without hiding my face in shame. adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| What a sad, lonely picture you paint of yourself. (5.00 / 1) (#49) | |
| by elenchos on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 01:17:04 PM PST | |
| Apropos of nothing, you think you look "cool" in attacking the quality of the sexual fulfillment others have found. Why? Do you think it makes you look like a "stud" to belittle others? Do you think anyone reads this and wishes to be more like you?
They don't. Normal people look at an exchange like this and think "how sad that this empty, mean, angry person feels the need to use these kinds of put-downs to build up his own diseased ego." We who know the real joys of love would never waste a second's thought on feeling "shame" at being with the one we love. Whereas, those whose lives are naught but a long string of disappointments are forever looking left and right, searching for approval and validation in the faces of strangers. You are mean and phoney, and no one thinks that is "cool". I do, I do, I do --Bikini Kill |
| I agree. (5.00 / 1) (#66) | |
| by nathan on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:28:25 PM PST | |
| Geez, elenchos, if Natalie Portman gained 200 kilos, there'd just be more of her to love. Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| My only thoughts are of saving you from yourself (none / 0) (#80) | |
| by because it isnt on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 06:33:00 PM PST | |
| We who know the real joys of love would never waste a second's thought on feeling "shame" at being with the one we love. This is the typical fantasy world that theistic droolers are lead to believe. One needs a strong secular upbringing to understand what real life is like. typical geek is on the slippery slope and only the harsh truth can save him. He shouldn't settle for second best when he has a whole world of pleasure awaiting him. You are mean and phoney, and no one thinks that is "cool". Those are harsh and cruel words, enchelos. Why would you wish to slander me, when all I am doing is trying to help people lead better lives? adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| Confused... (5.00 / 1) (#123) | |
| by hauntedattics on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 06:35:01 AM PST | |
| How is it helping people lead better lives by encouraging them to focus more on what others think of them and their mates? Or to focus more on the outside package when the inner one is so much more important, and lasting? I don't know of many who center their lives on pleasure who haven't ended up either (a) repudiating that existence or (b) dead.
And calling people "theistic droolers" isn't likely to endear you to many, particularly on this site, Mr. Isn't. |
| Better Lifes (5.00 / 1) (#270) | |
| by Kitsune Aywen on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 03:44:12 AM PST | |
| And who are you to judge what is the better life? Who are you to say that it is indeed a disappointment to cuddle around with friends instead of having sex?
Sex isn't for pleasure. It's for reproduction. It's for showing ones love, a wonderful, and rare thing. You slander it - I prefer a person who quitely is with themselves over someone who would sleep with a man or woman they don't plan to share the rest of their life with. Virginity is a great gift to give away. You slander it. Kitsune Aywen |
| ugh (none / 0) (#568) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 16th, 2001 at 02:38:25 AM PST | |
| excuse you...i think youre a bit mistaken there bud...asshole |
| Sorry For Your Friends (none / 0) (#269) | |
| by Kitsune Aywen on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 03:40:45 AM PST | |
| I'm sorry for your friends, then. :) I do have friends. Most of us like to watch anime. But we also love to go out, we love to discuss matters of importance (like our point of view on the happenings in Afghanistan or the sense of life).
I don't go out to parties. Why? Because I don't like it. It's not a matter of not being able to. ^_^ I know quite well that if I went to the disco and wanted a hot guy for myself, I could get one - I'm decent looking, can converse, and love to have fun. Kitsune Aywen |
| Uhm... (none / 0) (#305) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:08:13 PM PST | |
| Gundam Wing and Princess Mononoke didn't come out in the 80's. |
| Uhm... (none / 0) (#659) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 30th, 2002 at 09:10:28 AM PST | |
| Exactly... |
| Yo! Fool! (none / 0) (#702) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Mar 13th, 2002 at 07:47:29 PM PST | |
| I am sooooooooooo 'sorry' to say that Princess Mononoke (If you're gonna bag something, learn to spell, okay? Idiot...) and Gundam was released WAY After the 80's. HEL-LOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! What time period are ya on???
Oooooooooooh! SO manly of you to pick up hookers and prostitutes! -tsk- And you though us anime fans are evil... just listen to yourself! I guess you never understood the meaning of 'True Love'! heh heh... Oh well... I just hope oyu live long enough to read this before you get AIDS or something... Loser.... Anime Knight |
| Who's the fool? (none / 0) (#717) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Mar 14th, 2002 at 08:20:43 PM PST | |
| Man, Gundam was first shown in Japan in April of 1979. Not sure about Mononoke though. Look it up. |
| Not All manga contains as described above (none / 0) (#24) | |
| by Anime Area UK on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 11:34:14 AM PST | |
| I'd like to point out in this article that the writer has not given any film names... and that not all Manga/Anime films have violence in ... for example Pokemon... |
| Pokemon (none / 0) (#87) | |
| by MessiahWWKD on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 08:26:22 PM PST | |
| No, Pokemon just promotes cock fighting and other acts of abusing animals. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end. |
| sigh... (none / 0) (#290) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 08:35:37 AM PST | |
| it's too bad kids don't know what's cock fighting mr or ms moron... and i doubt kids would hate animals, unless if they were attacked by a certain animal and gets a phobia against that certain animal... |
| 'Cock fighting'? (none / 0) (#413) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:33:16 AM PST | |
| I'm not sure I understand your unspoken meaning here. Do you mean to say that children, upon viewing Pokemon, will believe that the mundane animals of the real world have any of the super abilities of animals in the Pokemon world? That would require very young children and very bad parents. Pokemon is not harmful to children, as long as they have parental guidance. And please don't tell me that they wouldn't need parental guidance if they didn't watch anime.
--Nintaku, the Music Man 'You pray so hard on bloody knees' -'Superbeast' by Rob Zombie |
| pedophilia (none / 0) (#36) | |
| by alprazolam on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:34:51 PM PST | |
| It needs to be pointed out that scientific study after scientific study has proven that there is no cure for pedophilia. Therefore the best defense for the youth of today is wide dissemination of so called "hentai" or other types of pornography that distracts the future pedophile from thoughts of sexual acts with children and gives them a "hobby" which they can spend all their time on. Which is another reason why the government should subsidize high speed bandwidth into the home. |
| but anime is a gateway to pedophile (none / 0) (#41) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:44:20 PM PST | |
| much like marijuana is a gateway drug to heroin, xanax and cocaine.
After a year or two of watching anime, the pervert finds that it no longer arouses him as much, the spark is gone. Most then ask their anime dealers for something stronger, which is where child porn comes in. Some do desperate things like hang around schoolyards trying to kidnap little girls. We do really need to crack down on this disgusting habit. A. Rightmann |
| marijuana? (none / 0) (#46) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 12:59:25 PM PST | |
| I've been smoking it for a while now. I've had no desire ever to try harder drugs. Besides, I show up to work every day, go to school, and also learn on my own outside of class. I also have healthy relationships with family, friends, and my live-in girlfriend. yeah, living in sin is wonderful. |
| I will pray for you (none / 0) (#48) | |
| by Adam Rightmann on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 01:12:31 PM PST | |
| that someday you will have the strength to free yourself of the shackles of the demon weed.
Once free of your marijuana addiction, I'm sure you will realize the sinful nature of your relationship, and marry your girlfriend. So please, take the baggie of demon weed and flush it down the toilet. Make a bonfire on your lawn and throw in your bong, your tie-dye T-shirts, your Anthrax CDs and your Phish bootlegs and whatever other drug paraphenalia you have. You will thank me some day. A. Rightmann |
| sin is in (none / 0) (#61) | |
| by Stretch on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:18:53 PM PST | |
| "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be food for you. And to the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground--everything that has the breath of life in it--I give every green plant for food. And it was so" (Genesis 1:29-30). Seems to me eating the "demon weed" is perfectly acceptable (and does get you stoned. Very stoned.) Even from a fundamentalist point of view, smoking weed would also be acceptable since apparently god "gave" it to us. Perhaps if smoking marijauna wasn't wrongly considered sinful by the masses less people would think they were rebelling by using it. Consumption is consumption be it through your stomach and into your bloodstream or through your lungs and into your bloodstream. |
| The typical response of a Liberal... (5.00 / 1) (#73) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 04:23:11 PM PST | |
| ... is to turn around and try and quote the Bible when confronted with something they cannot answer in any other way. Unfortunately for you there is a simple answer to your so-called rebuttal - Satan created marijuana to tempt the foolish away from the Lord. It is a known fact that people that smoke "dope" are less likely to go to Church, and that in doing so put their souls in direst peril.
When drugs are elimated I will give praise to the Lord for it shall be a glorious day. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| You have strayed from the flock (none / 0) (#81) | |
| by Stretch on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 06:33:45 PM PST | |
| It is also typical of a self-proclaimed conservative to ignore the bible whenever it contridicts their own personal agenda. When drugs are elimated I will give praise to the Lord for it shall be a glorious day. Tell that to the millions of dreadfully sick and pained that will be a state of untreated agony when (erm, if) that glorious day arrives. Drugs, be it marijuana cigarettes, aspirin or penicillin, are not un-Christian, and for this arguement, simply because the bible nor any "official" Christian literature says they are. You have taken your own morals, not god's or jesus's and applied it to your heretical version of Christianity. Pray to your lord and savior Jesus Christ, for only he can cleanse your eternally damned soul. Heathen. PS: I chose to rebutt you with a quote from the bible simply because that is the only plane of thought you attempt work on. There are, of course, many other ways to argue this particular point, but with you, they would all fall on deaf ears. |
| Strayed! Ha, pull the other one! (none / 0) (#109) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:22:21 AM PST | |
| Oh my sad, lost friend, you truly have been deceived haven't you? I would suggest that you stop addling your brain with drugs before you suffer further mental deterioration and embark upon a strict regime of fasting and prayer to bring you back into the fold.
Tell that to the millions of dreadfully sick and pained that will be a state of untreated agony when (erm, if) that glorious day arrives. Drugs, be it marijuana cigarettes, aspirin or penicillin, are not un-Christian, and for this arguement, simply because the bible nor any "official" Christian literature says they are. You attack a strawman there unfortunately, for where did I state that I opposed legitimate medical advances designed to help my fellow man? Such things are for the benefit of all mankind, and come from the reasoning which God gave us. They are totally different from chemicals which weaken the mind and corrupt the body. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| You are being unclear (none / 0) (#137) | |
| by Stretch on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:53:04 AM PST | |
| I would suggest that you stop addling your brain with drugs before you suffer further mental deterioration and embark upon a strict regime of fasting and prayer to bring you back into the fold. Where did I say I took drugs, be them illegal or not? I haven't. When you assume, you make an ass out of yourself. You attack a strawman there unfortunately, for where did I state that I opposed legitimate medical advances designed to help my fellow man? Such things are for the benefit of all mankind, and come from the reasoning which God gave us. They are totally different from chemicals which weaken the mind and corrupt the body. You said and I quote, "When drugs are elimated I will give praise to the Lord for it shall be a glorious day." There is nothing in that statement or any other statement on this thread indicating you even know the difference between medical drugs and (for arguement's sake we will call them) recreational drugs. Perhaps you should look up the definition of "drugs" because it does not distinguish between legal and illegal medicines. Futhermore, the jury is still out on the medicinal benefits of marijuana. Like all drugs, marijuana has "ill" side-effects (such as getting one "high"), but if that allows a cancer patient to keep food down and all other alternatives have been ineffective can you really say marijuana does not help your fellow man? Perhaps you should stop by a cancer clinique and talk to some patients and doctors there if you are still as confused as you sound. |
| God the Creator (none / 0) (#89) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 08:49:01 PM PST | |
| Satan created marijuana to tempt the foolish away from the Lord.
In all my understanding of the teachings of the Bible, only God can create, since when did Satan achieve the ability to create? |
| God the Mischievous (5.00 / 1) (#138) | |
| by Stretch on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:02:34 PM PST | |
| Satan was given the ability to create only through the confusion of many good-willed, but misguided and ignorant Christians. These are the same people who think alleged dinosaur bones were created by satan to test their faith. Have no doubt that if these same people were alive in 1491 they would believe the earth was flat. If there are aliens, undoubtably these same people will think they are devil's in disguise. When they don't understand something, it must be satan's doing. |
| AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! (none / 0) (#452) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 06:13:38 PM PST | |
| So let's see here. I guess you think Anthrax and Metallica and Aerosmith and Jimi Hendrix and The Beatles are all music of the devil, huh? What kind of music do you listen to, anyway? Oh, duh. I'm sorry. I forgot. You sit and listen to the Good N' Holy Christian Choir all day, right? |
| Correllation is not causation (none / 0) (#59) | |
| by Hagbard Celine on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:03:28 PM PST | |
| First of all, I'd like to say that I respect your position and that you live your life by your code of ethics and morals. However, I humbly suggest that you take into consideration that those people living outside your moral system may not want/need to be saved. While you may feel that you have a monopoly on morals, you should realize that many people live moral lives without being Christians. I myself am an atheist (I will laugh when someone posts that my views are immediately discounted because of this fact.) However, I feel that I am quite a moral person. True, I imbibe liquor and use the "demon weed". But I am nice to other people and in fact work for the church. You should also be aware that the gateway drug theory is a myth. You can look here and here. You and all people need to remember: Correlation is NOT causation I know many people who watch anime and have done for years and have never committed any sexual offense against young people. In fact, anime leads to....more anime. And not all anime features the sexual content that the poster put in his article. I have watched Anime since I was 8 and have no wishes to violate young girls. (or boys) Please, stop the generalizing. It hurts. I have a suggestion for you though: Why don't you and your like-minded brethren find a new place where you can start a Christian state. You could be called the Christiban. There you can apply all these rules from your good book on people. This would be called a theocracy. And please, don't try to tell me the U.S. is a Christian state or that I'm part of the secular humanist conspiracy. 9Or do so if you wish, but logic is so much more hearty that rhetoric) You might say I'm part of the "pursuit of happiness conspiracy" which our founding fathers also belonged to. PFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTTT |
| you will get what you deserve (none / 0) (#64) | |
| by nathan on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:27:21 PM PST | |
| when MJ and booze make you impotent and feminized. Life ain't all a party, chum. Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| Suckus Maximus (none / 0) (#50) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 01:20:19 PM PST | |
| yummy.....remove the jesus's and go to town! |
| heh (none / 0) (#71) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 04:10:00 PM PST | |
| damn, you christian idiots need to get laid. bad. go find a hooker that'll let ya bugger her little butthole. you'll feel better.
<this message brough by the devil himself> |
| how sad (none / 0) (#72) | |
| by nathan on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 04:17:10 PM PST | |
| <this message brough by the devil himself> [sic] You don't know how right you are. Good luck... Nathan -- Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards. |
| Misogynism (none / 0) (#86) | |
| by MessiahWWKD on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 08:22:04 PM PST | |
| It's just like an atheist to think of a woman as nothing but a sex object. That is one reason I refuse to label myself as one ever again. Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end. |
| What in hell (none / 0) (#690) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Feb 25th, 2002 at 03:56:57 PM PST | |
| What kind of connection do you have in hell? Im geussing since hell is well... hell, its 1200 baud? |
| Don't Confuse Tools and Objectives (1.00 / 1) (#79) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 06:12:51 PM PST | |
| Anime is a tool - a medium like any other. It is used for a purpose (objective): entertain, make a statement, change a person's beliefs, etc.
Granted there are sick people advocating filthy crimes against children using this medium to spread their disease. Such people, however, will use ANY medium to further their agenda and infect others, not just Anime. Why attack the medium when you should really be attacking the few publishing houses that create the really indecent material? Why attack the tool when you should be attacking the objective? If we were to attack and destroy Anime because of a few indecent animators, then we would have to: -destroy the internet (filthy sites exist) -destroy television (violent programs exist) -destroy music (dirty songs exist) -destroy photographs (pornographic photographs exist) -destroy radio (indecent talk show hosts exist) -destroy books (lurid literature exists) We would have to destroy ALL media including cutting off everyone's tongue and everyone's hands because all these things can be used to spread wickedness and moral disease. I ask you, though, my brothers: Where would we be then? Where would we be after we had destroyed any and all media in our culture, media which can, by the way, be used to spread wholesome ideas? Where would we be after we had cut off our tongues and our hands? Where would we be after we destroyed television, radio, pictures, books, photographs and the internet? Where? The answer should be obvious: Ask Mr. Taliban. Peace. CalmHorizons NOTE TO MODERATOR: I TRIED CREATING AN ACCOUNT BUT HAVE NOT REC'D MY PASSWORD YET. WHEN CAN I EXPECT IT? THANKS! :) |
| You must first prove yourself (none / 0) (#91) | |
| by inveigle on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:17:48 PM PST | |
| "NOTE TO MODERATOR: I TRIED CREATING AN ACCOUNT BUT HAVE NOT REC'D MY PASSWORD YET. WHEN CAN I EXPECT IT? THANKS! :)"
You must first prove yourself through your anonymous postings - these should be made from the same IP address as your request for a password, for tracking purposes. Only when we in the inner circle have determined that your posts have demonstrated sufficient wit, insight, and meat, will your password be sent. |
| Strawman (5.00 / 1) (#114) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:22:11 AM PST | |
| Why attack the medium when you should really be attacking the few publishing houses that create the really indecent material?
I don't even need to attack the rest of your strawman. You are attacking a position I never stated. Of course we need to go after the filthmongers that produce this rubbish, just like we're going after Al Qaeda for September 11. That doesn't mean that we can't attack it when we see it though, as an intermediate solution. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| wait a sec (1.00 / 1) (#215) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:08:33 PM PST | |
| So what you're saying is that we should destroy everything that has the potential for evil. Ok. If I agree with you, then maybe we should destroy you and me and everyone else. Because it's the people that's the root of all problems. Not inanimate objects and such. Anime doesn't corrupt people, people corrupt people. It all depends on wether you allow yourself to be corrupted by such things. Everything is capable of evil. But that doesn't mean we destroy everyhing with it. You mentioned that we were attacking Al que(blah) or what ever that place was called because of Sept 11. But... but. Is it worth destroying EVery single one of them at the expense that maybe 1... just 1 of them are truely loving and understanding people? Do you think ALL Japanese people are a problem? Well, we have good Americans and we have evil Americans. You just can't be so one sided in things. I mean, look at Disney... that was sposed to be all wholesome good fun but we all know what was on the cover of The Little Mermaid, now don't we. But does that mean we must destroy all of Disney? No. |
| Nuclear Weapons are also "tools" (5.00 / 1) (#153) | |
| by nx01 on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:19:52 PM PST | |
| By your logic, we shouldn't be bothering to attempt to reduce our arsenal. After all, just because "bad" nukes exist, it doesn't mean that "good" nukes don't exist! Just because rapes exist, it doesn't mean that we should try and eliminate rape, because maybe there is an upside to it! Just because murder exists doesn't mean we should stop people from killing, maybe it's a good murder!
Right? Right? Get over your free-software commie style of thought. Some things need to be censored, and some need to be destroyed. Some tools are evil -- through and through evil. They sow evil and they reap evil. We have a moral duty to eliminate these evil tools. Anime is one of them. HTH. "Every time I look at the X window system, it's so fucking stupid; and part of me feels responsible for the worst parts of it." -- James Gosling |
| Your argument is not truly related (1.00 / 1) (#238) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:57:12 PM PST | |
| The argument is not that because there is a bad version of something, that their may be a good version. The argument here is that there is a difference between hentai and the rest of anime. This is an art form, not weaponry.
How would one define your "good nuke" or "good rape." These are dangerous physical offences against humanity. However you may look at it, art cannot do this. It can influence the way one thinks, but only as much as a rational human being lets it. It is an added experience to a lifetie of memories. If it carried a special meaning, that's even better because the goal of anime is not evil. Astribulus P.S. Also explain how enjoying anime makes have a "free-software commie style of thought." By squashing freedom of expression, you are the one regressing to Soviet ideals. |
| since when was thought not allowed? (1.00 / 1) (#84) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 07:47:18 PM PST | |
| first, a few corrections to make...
1: manga are graphic novels or comics, not like the ones by marvel or DC, often spanning several hundreds of pages 2: anime is video, [usually] not "cartoons" 3: hentai is your so-called "filth" (don't get me wrong, i think *all* forms of pornography are totally pointless) second, some common sense... this grand and holy country, the one you're trying to defend from foreign ideas and everything "unwholesome", is rendering your "crusade" totally ineffective as one who happens to like anime, i'm glad that the government gives me the privelage to poison myself with evil and ungodliness also, you need to do much more research before you assume that one overgeneralization applies to every instance third, a description of my position... i take an unconventional approach to many things. i question, not assuming that something said is a fact, and not investing too much concern in trivial matters i have very little (if any) faith in this country, the government, and the world around me fourth, some thoughts... the forces of "good vs evil" are NOT as clear-cut as you want it to seem. had the axis won, america would become the root of all evil and germany and japan the saints who defeated the demons. i'm exaggerating this to make a point: the concept of good and evil is a very subjective one, and relative to the observer "sin" as you call it is deeply embedded in both society and humanity, you're not going to save the world by attacking an international sub-culture due to a minority of individuals. it seems that the church has come to terms with the other forms of "filth" due to the lack of crusaders just because someone doesn't think what you do, that doesn't make them wrong |
| Distressing.. (1.00 / 1) (#85) | |
| by Samuel on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 08:20:22 PM PST | |
| What I find most distressing in this argument is that animation is not considered an artform and should only be regulated to children.
Why is this? I don't understand and hope that someone can enlighten me.. Do you consider Van Gough's sunflowers to be childish? What if Van Gough had been born in this centaury and had had access to a camera. If he had painted more then one painting of his sunflowers and strung them together? This would be considered animation, and I sorely hope that you would not consider this childish. How is this different to cartoons that are created today? Many cartoons today work on two distinct levels, take Shrek, whilst being a child's movie there are elements in there that only an adult would understand. Whilst some Mange/Anime material does seem to contain lolitsh charactors this does not represent Manga as a whole. Their are western pornographic cartoons, this does not represent all western cartoons. To illiustrate my point of cartoons not being for children, I present chick.com, his comic strips do not seem to be targetted only at children, but for both adults and children. Unless of course he has "strayed from the flock" as devote as he seems attacking every other religion. Please point out what I am missing here.. PS: Tie-dye considired an item of drug related paraphanlia, oh please! |
| It's simple (5.00 / 1) (#121) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 06:05:32 AM PST | |
| What I find most distressing in this argument is that animation is not considered an artform and should only be regulated to children.
It's simple really if you're not obsessed with images of underage cartoon females flashing their hairless bodies at you. What you'd notice is the lack of any emotional depth or visual appeal an animation is able to convey compared to even the most unexciting play. Only grossly exaggerated emotions can come through in animation, and no such "artist" can draw a scene that compares to the magnificance of God's creation. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| animation is art (1.00 / 1) (#130) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:03:02 AM PST | |
| You could say the same about any other work of art, yet you dont discount those as being worthwhile do you? I believe that amazing subtlety of emotion can be conveyed by a skilled animators hand. Animation is just like a work of art. It often does not act to imitate reality, but instead to show its own interpretation of it. And this, is what makes it interesting. When you animate a scene, instead of filming it, you have complete control over every aspect of its appearance. Meanwhile in a filmed scene, you can only try to get the effect you want. If what you're saying is right, why dont we just stop painting or making any forms of art, and just record things that our around us through video tape, photographs, etc.
I believe human creations are wonderful things. And if your god exists, I'm sure he wouldn't see them as an affront to his creation. |
| You aren't getting the point (1.00 / 1) (#203) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 08:32:27 PM PST | |
| If I draw a picture of a natural woman... would you consider it art? Now.. if I draw another picture of the same woman moving her arm up a notch, and then another picture of the woman moving her arm an even higher notch. Would you consider these separate pictures art? If so, then if I were to combine these and give the illusion of movement, you wouldn't consider this art? It was art to you BEFORE I put the images together to form a movement. Ok, after that, let's say I meant this movement to be for adults. Even though it's the simplest movement in my "animation" of separate pieces of art. Then it wouldn't be for children. You seem to confuse common sense with naked 12 year old girl cartoons. Animation IS art. But because animation isn't american doesn't mean it isn't art.
Art: A form of expression. You can express ALOT of things. I can express love, morals, hate, irony, sadness, happiness, LUST, ect. ect. because these are what are in the human psyche. Tell me, do you FEAR God? In a sense, you seem to be afraid of things that are different because you fear that God will punish you for liking something. If God judged you on personal tastes... then we all would be doomed. I don't think God is going to damn me to hell because I watched an anime. He would damn me to hell for my intentions. It's like doing something good with evil intentions. Yes, even evil can seem good and wholesome. I could give you the jacket off my back but what if I wanted it to give you a rash? My good deed ended up being an evil intention. The creator's intentions are to convey a story. They aren't intending to destroy children's minds. They intend to entertain. |
| There you go again! (none / 0) (#373) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:24:18 AM PST | |
| It's simple really if you're not obsessed with images of underage cartoon females flashing their hairless bodies at you.
The only person here who seems obsessed with that appears to be you, Mr. Erikson. Are you perfectly alright? I'm starting to fear for your mental health. And if I see you as the only person maintaining this train of thought any more, I'm sure I'll have to worry about my own, as well.
--Nintaku, That Crazy Otaku
'I always knew you were no ordinary mortal, but I had no idea you were a cat. Wait! What am I saying?!' 'Nyah.' -Nicholas D. Wolfwood and Black Cat Space, Trigun |
| my two cents. (0.00 / 1) (#97) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 10:54:00 PM PST | |
| I'm only an occasional reader of this website, so no, I don't have an account.. I'll just be one of the faceless and therefore discountable. Ignore at your leisure. I am a Christian. I can think critically. I also own a moderate collection of anime. Some of it even shows *gasp* nudity. Shocking, no? To those who believe that Jon and Adam represent any sizeable part of my chosen religion, I sincerely apologize for their behavior. In my estimation, they are trolls. Large, ugly, hairy trolls. This article was a troll, and their responses were trolls. I am saddened that I'm only feeding it by responding because this isn't even one of the better ones that I've ran across in my 11 years of being online. I do so only because your article and replies promote a self-important, self-serving, bastardized caricature of my faith.. a caricature which is all too prevalent in our media and culture. I suppose you two win. Congratulations. There are thousands, perhaps millions, of Christians who are like me. Who can use their brains and hands more than their mouths. Who can act within a society, not for a Political Agenda, but to simply go and honestly care for others regardless of who, what, or where they are without shoving a fistful of worldview into their mouths. We attempt to be informed. We can evaluate without resorting to name-calling or condemning. We can watch Princess Mononoke, Rurouni Kenshin, Ninja Scroll, Akira, or Lain and not recoil because it Shocks Our Sensibilities or Causes Us To Question. We can even enjoy it. Jon and Adam will call us the apostate. May I burn in hell. ~the other jon |
| Animation = Art (1.00 / 1) (#99) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 11:25:48 PM PST | |
| Animation = Art
Animation != Work of satan |
| The real equation (none / 0) (#104) | |
| by MessiahWWKD on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:51:09 AM PST | |
| Animation of naked children in sexually suggestive positions != Art Guardian angel, heavenly friend, walk with me 'til the journey's end. |
| Wait (none / 0) (#220) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:32:13 PM PST | |
| So let me get this strait..... If:
Animation = Art Animation != Work of satan then does that mean that all art is a work of Satan??? Simple substitution would lead me to believe that you think this is so. If you do then that must mean that you don't like Salvador Dali and the Mona Lisa because they are art. Please feel free to correct me if I have inferred incorrectly |
| hmmm (none / 0) (#225) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:37:12 PM PST | |
| Would this mean that a drawing of the cross would be a work of Satan? Religious art? All works of Satan? Interesting. |
| ! = Work of Satan (none / 0) (#372) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 03:11:22 AM PST | |
| I believe that
Animation = Art Animation != Work of Satan is supposed to mean that animation is art, and animation is not a work of Satan. This comes from years of roleplaying online. Various commands involve using '!' to mean 'not'. Just a slightly educated guess. --Nintaku, Kickin' It with Radiskull and Devil Doll 'It's a gift from Goooood, a very nice gift from God' -'Gift From God' by Joe Sparks, Episode 8 of Radiskull & Devil Doll |
| yeah... (none / 0) (#686) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Feb 24th, 2002 at 07:29:05 PM PST | |
| != is the C++ programming language boolean operator for "not equal to" ^~ |
| Oh no... (1.00 / 1) (#242) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:03:24 PM PST | |
| Animation is the work of the devil? That means that clay animation of Jesus Christ (that aired on television last year) was made by devils! AHHHHHHHH! We're all gonna die!!!
p.s if you didn't noticed the sarcasm, you're an idiot... |
| what...animation= art =devils work???? (1.00 / 2) (#279) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 05:23:43 AM PST | |
| animation = art = devils work
what?!?!?!...that means you writing is the work of the devil...text is a form of art...if yu hadnt noticed and like everyone else has said the great works of famous artists...and dont forget the doodling you do in your book when your waiting or bored...egad!...well if this is true well...lets just say i dont get to say hi to god then...~_~;;;;....i like religion and all but i dont care for church...just makes me go to sleep...(services) but i will go visit and see my uncels stain glass window...and if anyone breaks i swear i will HUNT you down and KILL you...
and may i go on...story boards for films and other cartoons and graphic design...the logos you wear on your shirts...the colour on your shirts WE'RE ALL GOIGN TO HELL THEN...SEE YOU THERE |
| ATTN: seventypercent and the Adequacy editors: (none / 0) (#283) | |
| by tkatchev on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 06:03:08 AM PST | |
| This article was censored due to horrible misspellings and abuse of punctuation.
Isn't infighting just so much fun? -- Peace and much love... |
| wow. (none / 0) (#427) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 11:03:25 AM PST | |
| oooh, three misspelled words and a run-on sentence. I guess that must mean that it's a worthless comment. Thanks for doing my thinking for me! I didn't need to spend my time reading anyways! I'll just smile and nod. |
| To see with eyes unclouded by bias obstinacy (1.00 / 1) (#101) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:14:21 AM PST | |
| Firstly, to Mr "I never liked anime ", it's "Mononoke Hime" - please don't misspell the title of this legendary film.
I think most of the anime advocates have said this already but I'll say it again. Jon, you seem to have Anime confused with hentai. Whoever exposed you to anime was probably a horny kinda person so you got the wrong impression of anime. I go to a Christian school and our Chaplain absolutely loved Neon Genesis Evangelion when we showed him an episode. Yes, there is some kinky parts but mature viewers tend to focus on the intricate story and highly Christian orientated themes. Now if Evangelion was the first anime you saw, I'm sure you would have a very different view on anime. What you are saying right now is all Hollywood movies are evil because you just happened to see a few with sex scenes in it. I know lots of ppl you think like you in my school but the ones who have opened their eyes to a wide variety of anime knows it for what it truly is: something that cannot be categorically defined. My anime collection spans over 500 cds. But I can barely fill 2 CDs with all hentai. In your unequivocal condemnation of Anime, you never mentioned "Rurouni Kenshin" - who fight (never kills) to atone for atrocities he committed in the past, or Ghost in the shell which challenges our belief of what is human. Yes, there is some anime which I wouldn't want my children to watch, but there are also others which I wouldn't want them to miss out on. Your impartial criticism on ALL anime undermines your objectivity and shows you are simply in no position to make educated commentary on anime. Before you embark on your "crusade" I challenge you to do some research on your "demonic foes" and watch some anime which is not hentai. Perhaps then you can change your crusade to something more sensible like a crusade against Hentai. For your question "what kind of grown adult watches cartoons?", my answer is "none". But millions of grown adults watch Anime. Yes, manga/anime is succeeding but not for the reasons you have specified. -mpk |
| Yes, Evangelion rules (5.00 / 1) (#135) | |
| by perdida on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:18:47 AM PST | |
| It's one of the things I'd have in the curriculum if I were to teach a science fiction class.. I'd also include Infinite Jest, A Wild Sheep Chase, and The Demolished Man.
This is what democracy looks like |
| This is the reason organized religeon is tripe (1.50 / 2) (#103) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:42:42 AM PST | |
| I realizing a few years ago that religeon, however much it tries to do good (and it does some), just makes things worse. Look at this entire discussion, it started out as an article about the so called 'evil' of the Japenese Animation scene dubbed 'Anime' and 'Manga', but has turned into a full blown religeon/beliefs war. If people could decide to believe that some form of diety or god may or may not exist and not put an entire belief system around it, things would be mutch better off. You tell me Christians have their morals, was it not them who began the crusades? Killed thousands of Muslims? Aside from this many Christians (and other religeons) seem to put down other religeons claiming theirs the 'True' faith, was not Jesus Christ himself a Jew? So all these good Christians go around spreading their 'Word' and say to become Christians all the while contradicting what Jesus was trying to say, which is bluntly "Be who you are, forgive and be nice to everyone" from what I have seen in this post and others along with examples in the real world (the Crusades, the current war on terrorism are just 2 examples) it is quite obvious that Christians with all their high-handedness and beliefs seem to ignore the message Jesus tried to teach. For all this talk of Satanism and the Satanic messages and implications of Anime (which as many have posted, not ALL anime have these messages) which may be true for some, but it does not mean that an artform must be destroyed for it! Jesus did not go around telling people not to be who they are or who they want to be, he went around and told those who wanted to listen what he and God held true. He did not force anyone to listen, nor did he tell them their path was wrong! He left those who walked their own path keep walking. Amazing how a person such as myself who has denounced organized religeons (but not the possible existance of God or another diety) at such a young age of only 15 (I am 16 now) can say his peice and think a bunch of fanatical religeous personae will listen, but if you cannot see that the opposite of your beliefs (destruction, in this case the artform of anime) are what you are attempting. If you believe that the perverted forms of this artform should not be allowed, do not tell us your opinions and say we are 'Liberals' or 'Heathans' or whatever else you want to call us when we do not agree, tell the companies who create these perverted forms of 'art'. I must say that removing anime from this world would be a sad thing for the enthuseists, but i do not think that the loss of pornographic material would affect us overly much. If you do not want pornography in this world, do not tell us, tell the creators of pornography.
- ibutsu (no I am not japanese) Postscriptum: The United States of America is not the Christion being you believe it is, it is a government who wants to create a scociety for people to live in with the beliefs they want to beleive in and on top of that to make as much money as possible whle doing so. Open your eyes to your surroundings, this is not a perfect world and if there is a God, he did not intend it to be perfect, if he wanted it to be perfect, he would have stopped Adam and Eve from eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Oh yes, I nearly forgot, if God knows all our thoughts at every moment, how come he didn't know when Adam and Eve were thinking of eating the fruit? Before you push such drivel upon others, consider what the bible itself said and understand that the bible is not meant to be interpreted exactly as written, for it was written by men from their understanding of what happened and not by God himself, this is my basis for my beleifs (or lack there of), for no religeon has anything truely written or created by their Diety, how are we to know that what is written was written in truth and not just personal belief? Thank you for reading this. |
| ATTN: tkatchev (none / 0) (#132) | |
| by seventypercent on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:35:22 AM PST | |
| We have noticed that you are continually and increasingly abusing your Trusted User status to zero-rate comments that you do not personally agree with. Please note that comments that are rated below 1 are hidden from untrusted users, and as such, the zero rating is intended to be used for instances such as "FIRST POST!", "goat sex", and similar inanities. It is not -- repeat, not intended to give Trusted Users a mechanism to hide legitimate, non-abusive comments that they just happen to disagree with. In fact, doing this demonstrates a considerable amount of intellectual cowardice (you would rather prevent the comment from being seen than respond to it.) Now, I do think that the above comment is (by and large) crap, but that is no excuse to abuse the rating system to hide it. This being the case, I have boosted it to make it visible again. We hereby politely request that you stop abusing the ratings system and reserve the use of zero ratings for cases where they are truly justified. If you violently disagree with a comment, either rate it as a 1 or respond to it (or both.) Continued abuse of the ratings system will require an adjustment to your mojo which will remove your ability to zero-rate comments and thus make the issue moot. Thank you for your time. -- Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux. |
| Ideology has nothing to do with it. (none / 0) (#140) | |
| by tkatchev on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:11:11 PM PST | |
| You misunderstand. I zero comments with consistently horrible spelling mistakes. In the above case, it was the repeated use of the word "religeon". (ugh)
Please don't start confrontations, I am not your enemy, by any means. I consider horribly spelled posts the equivalent of spamming, not much better than "first post", et al. It is disrespectful to the reader when a poster cares so little about his message that he doesn't bother to spend a few seconds correcting errors. And, for god's sake, don't start arguing that spelling is "not important". In my mind, it is just plain human courtesy to take a few moments to properly format your post. Writing messages littered with "religeon" and "thier" is akin to a guest leaving muddy footsteps on your prized Persian hand-crafted living-room rug. -- Peace and much love... |
| Re: Ideology has nothing to do with it. (1.00 / 1) (#168) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:43:47 PM PST | |
| Although I do not think most people can afford hand-crafted persian rugs, I understand your point, I apologise for my horrid speliing errors but that is still no excuse for this appearant "zeroing posts". Would you appreciate it if I had done this to you had you been making spelling errors? I extremely doubt it.
- ibutsu Postscriptum: No human is perfect so spelling errors will exist, if you cannot tolerate them, that is your problem, but do not take it out on the people who made them, correct them and tell them their error, only this way will they learn. |
| in fact (none / 0) (#202) | |
| by johnny ambiguous on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 08:18:29 PM PST | |
| In fact a properly composed weblog or newsgroup post, at least one of any considerable length, must always contain at least one spelling error.
It is far far better to tolerate that single at-least-human error, by the way, than to stoop to the use of automated spell-checkers. "Anime," whatever that is, may or may not be the work of the devil. On the one pan repose the admirable Mr. Ericson's cogent, ponderous arguments as we read them above, yet weighing upon the other side of the balance there's this fella who published Negative Dialectics on-line and he really digs Neon Genesis Evangelion. So even a sober, judicious person such as myself, never having witnessed any of this "anime," doesn't know what to think. (In fact he doesn't even know how to pronounce it. "Ay-knyme"? "Ah-neem"? "Annie-Mae"? Damn these foreigners.) However, in distinction, getting back to computerized spell-checkers, those things are indeed the work of the Devil. I say it's so. Spell-checkers should be shunned like leprosy. Yours WDK - WKiernan@concentric.net Getting into my Chevrolet Magic Fire, I drove slowly back to the office. - L. Rosen |
| Pronunciation (none / 0) (#357) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 11:39:39 PM PST | |
| The proper pronunciation for the romaji word 'anime' is "ah-nih-meh'". Please do your best to understand that. I'm not quite sure if that's as well spelled as it should be, but I'm not used to being a pronunciation guide to something as phonetic as romaji. Romaji, by the way, is the Japanese language written in our lettering.
--Nintaku |
| It's a matter of degree. (none / 0) (#263) | |
| by tkatchev on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:44:53 AM PST | |
| I understand human error -- sometimes you just make mistakes, and there is nothing you can do about it.
However, when every third monosyllable word is misspelled, it becomes more than just "an error" -- it becomes an affront. It simply means that the poster doesn't value neither his nor the reader's time; this is insulting. -- Peace and much love... |
| wow (1.00 / 1) (#218) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:24:35 PM PST | |
| Very nice. You have argued all the arguements that I can think of and you have a really good point. Just felt like showing some appreciation for God knows how little of it I've seen on this forum lately. |
| History (1.00 / 1) (#105) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:53:53 AM PST | |
| One of the main purposes of learning about history in the course of our education is to prepare the youth against repeating the mistakes in history. Now then, I assume that all of us were raised in America in the system that our government has laid out for us, and has been reasonably successful in raising the most powerful country in the world. Over the course of one's education, one was most likely exposed to the play entitled The Crucible, a primarily accurate account of the Salem Witch Trials of 1692. The blatant ignorance spouted off here towards Manga/Anime is a perfect mirror of the persecution of members of the Pagan religion during these trials. Pagans were criticized out of ignorance of the "Pure-loving Americans" before anyone even thought to learn about the Pagan religion and try and understand it. Dozens were hanged just because they didn't admit to doing witchcraft, which (no pun intended) most did not participate in. I would think that after 300 years, we may have progressed from this and learned as a people to learn about others before we persecute them to death, since that's all America does. One thing continues to bother me about the original article. If you are so against the use of animation to "spread the devil's work," then why include 2 pictures of hentai in the middle of your article? By the way, "hentai", in japanese means "a pervert", so the Japanese agree with you, you racist, bigot, that hentai is an exploit of the female sex. You are not only contributing to the amount of hentai on the net, but you are also contradicting yourself by placing the pictures of Jesus and Mary in such blasphemous places.
Didn't you go to history class at all? If you did, you may have learned that America went into Japan after the conquest and completely revamped their whole society as much as was possible in 7 years, trying to form a mini-America overseas. This was all apart of a plan to further capitalism in Asia and to destroy Communism. I wish people would stop glorifying everything America has done in its history, because next thing you know, people will be saying that killing NATIVE Americans and taking the remaining ones and placing them on land plots barely substantial enough to live in, let alone thrive in, was a humane and "divinely mandated" act. Does the "Trail of Tears" ring a bell? How old are you guys? Maybe I'm criticizing the wrong thing, if you are too old to realize the follies of America's wars, and too old to know just how propaganda-fueled your beliefs are. And BTW, that's not a good thing. Is this a lost cause? Am I trying to convince people that are so set in their "upright-Christian" ways, that they cannot bear to be criticized or *gasp* wrong? |
| The Japanese question. (5.00 / 2) (#106) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:31:14 AM PST | |
| There there can be no doubt that there is is strong infantilist streak in Japanese culture. In America, serious novels like Johnathan Franzen's The Corrections can make it to the top of the bestseller list, and thoughtful films like Schindler's List are widely seen by the public. By contrast, in Japan it is common to see grown men reading puerile comic books whose contents are little more than mindless titilation, likewise, Japanese cinema consists largely of cartoons featuring young girls being raped by aliens. Japanese culture is full of childish imagery, even among products for adults. The prevalence of cutesy Sanrio characters is probably the best example of this, but this infantilism is not limited to visual art. Japanese music, to cite another example, is well known for the widespread popularity "Pop Idoru" phenomenon, in which adolescents sing corny lyrics set to saccharine tunes. This childishness is everywhere in Japanse culture, and is extremely off-putting to anyone desiring any sort of future for Japan other than that of a feeble second-rate power. It is embarrassing to think that a culture whose proud traditions include, Zen Bhuddism, Noh plays, and the Samurai tradition is now primarily famous for inventing Pokemon. The infantilist streak in present-day Japan can be directly traced to the country's devastating defeat in WWII, and the resulting reliance on the United States for financial, and then military aid. The economic malaise currently gripping the country can thus be seen as a kind of national arrested adolescence, a refusal to "grow up" and make the kind of tough economic decisions necessary to gear the Japanese economy towards playing a serious role in the global economic marketplace. For Japan to become anything other than a meretricious third-world backwater, it must lose the babyish tendencies that currently pervade its culture. One excellent way for this to happen would be for Japan to develop its token "Self-Defense-Force" into a fully-functioning military like that of China. However, if the seemingly unstoppable tide of thumbsucking anime drivel being produced today is an indication of anything, I for one am not optimistic. |
| Misunderstanding (none / 0) (#330) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 05:52:15 PM PST | |
| I don't quite think you have quite an understanding of what you are talking about. First of all, you cite Shindlers list due to the fact of it being a great film. While that is true, you must realize the strength of the Japanese film market. Who made Shindlers list? Oh yeah, Spielburg. Now I think we all know that Spielburg can get as much money as he wants to make a movie. Hollywood pulls in tons of money for America. As for the Japanese, they don't quite have the money to make enormous budget films. Thus they turn to animation. Just remember. Its all in fun. Sure movies are a form of art, but they are also a form of entertainment. Animation even has advantages over live action movies. There are things that can be more easily portrayed through animation than in movies.
As for what you said about their current economic status showing their lack of ability to "grow up", you are very misinformed. What makes animation so appealing is it allows entertainment in an otherwise dreary and strict life. Most children in Japan spend so much time studying and going to school that they don't get time to be kids. They go to school 6 days a week, and when they aren't going to their normal school, they are either studying or going to cram school. I think that if they wan't to watch something that we would consider childish in their spare time, well, all the power to them, they deserve it! |
| practice what you preach, will ya? (none / 0) (#358) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 12:02:33 AM PST | |
| Thank you for providing me with entertainment. I spent a good five minutes laughing after I read this. I haven't seen jokes this hilarious for a long time.
"By contrast, in Japan it is common to see grown men reading puerile comic books whose contents are little more than mindless titilation, likewise, Japanese cinema consists largely of cartoons featuring young girls being raped by aliens." Bearing this statement in mind, am I to assume that Americans (grown men included) are not responsible for thousands upon thousands of pornographic sites on the internet? Tell me, how is pornography any deeper than hentai? What Japanese movies have you seen, might I ask, that feature "young girls being raped by aliens"? Oh, American movies are all packed with plot and deep meanings, are they? That explains the number of times that I have cringed at the blatant sexual innuendos in American films and wondered at the point of seeing Jennifer Lopez run from a giant crocodile. I mean, come on. First you had Gorilla, now you have dinosaurs and giant snakes. What is this, Revenge of the Corny Movies? "in which adolescents sing corny lyrics set to saccharine tunes" If you have a daughter, she probably listens to the Backstreet Boys or N'Sync or any of the two hundred and eighty four other manufactured pop bands. Don't complain about pop culture in other countries when it's equally prevalent in yours. However, after listening to songs from both Japanese and American pop bands, I have to conclude that these Japanese singers tend to have more talent (at least they can hold a tune) and tend not to have a lead singer in a five-person band and four people dancing and singing chorus. Corny lyrics set to saccharine tunes? Can you honestly tell me that you can tell one boyband song from the other? "The infantilist streak in present-day Japan can be directly traced to the country's devastating defeat in WWII, and the resulting reliance on the United States for financial, and then military aid. " I may not be very old, nor have I studied years upon years of history intensively, but might I remind you that prior to D-Day, the Axis forces were trashing the Allieds? The devastating Japanese assault on the Far-east and South-east Asia in particular is nothing if not impressive. It might not be despicable, it might be wrong, it might have resulted in thousands of deaths, but it was also a sample of some of the best military tactics and cohesion between land, sea and air. The Japanese ploughed through Malaya and captured the fortress of Singapore within 100 days, trouncing the British in the process. When the Allieds engaged Japan in war, they lost as many men as the Japanese did. Devastating defeat? I think it was a close call on the part of the Allieds. The "aid" as you call it, from the US, was not so much needed as forced upon Japan. Military aid was not given as the US pitied Japan, rather, it was a case of "once bitten, twice shy" in which the Americans wanted to rule out the possibility of Japan rising again as a great military power. "For Japan to become anything other than a meretricious third-world backwater, it must lose the babyish tendencies that currently pervade its culture" Might I remind you that it is Japanese culture that is sweeping the world? From your computer games - Final Fantasy, Resident Evil - to your television shows - Cardcaptor Sakura, Rurouni Kenshin, and in Asian countries, the Japanese drama serials - to toys - Pokemon toys, the Tamagotchi, Hello Kitty. The Japanese military has been suppressed by America, but for the past few decades (before the current economic downturn), Japan's economy has been doing what its military might did during World War II - sweeping across the world. "fully-functioning military like that of China" Oh, so now you've got Japanese to hate, you're all buddy-buddy with China. China has always been a respectable nation (not that it's really been shown much of the respect it deserves). As far as I know, China is not exactly known for its military might, just for the millions of people that can enlist in its army, and the "secret ingredient" in the Chinese military - a diehard patriotism to China found in its people. Not many countries can boast of such a loyal people. "seemingly unstoppable tide of thumbsucking anime drivel " Actually, I find the majority of anime (not hentai, you understand) decidedly more thought-provoking than the crap that American television channels are churning out nowadays. Movies like Ghost in the Shell, Princess Mononoke and Akira are a lot more worthwhile watching than Scream (1 to 250) and Lake Placid. There are worthwhile shows and terrible shows everywhere, I'm not denying that. There is crap in American television and there is crap in Japanese television. Just because there is crap in anime doesn't mean anime is crap. Likewise for American shows. "I for one am not optimistic." America doesn't exactly have the most desirable track record for open-mindedness, with racism and prejudice everywhere. If this hypocritical, holier-than-thou attitude is going to continue, I for one have to say that I'm not terribly optimistic about the future of America, either. |
| Perhaps you should raelize. (none / 0) (#651) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Jan 16th, 2002 at 11:32:08 AM PST | |
| Just like American cartoons are aimed at a variety of audience, from "Bob the Builder" for preschool to "South Park" for the adults. Japanese anime is for a variety of adults.
No adult man watches Hello Kitty, just like no 3 year old should watch XXX movies. |
| Back to the 'World War' thing??? (none / 0) (#703) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Mar 13th, 2002 at 07:50:45 PM PST | |
| Puh-leeeeaze... Go back to the rock from whence you crawled our from... We want a discussion, not a historic lesson...
Just goes to show how repetitive you type of people can get.... *sigh* Anime Knight |
| weirdos (1.00 / 1) (#107) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:36:23 AM PST | |
| you guys got some serious problems... first off there is anime...then there is "hentai" witch also means pervery in jap. you guys need to get your act together before trying to blaim something on your own insucrities you probably got turned down by a chick because she was watching "anime"..witch is not hentai by the way...... |
| weirods (1.00 / 1) (#108) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:47:49 AM PST | |
| stupid typos...ment to say Pervert |
| The original artist of those images (1.00 / 1) (#110) | |
| by BinaryTree on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:29:54 AM PST | |
| Mr. Onoe You may email him and bitch directly. Though it is unlikely he's English-literate enough to understand it, or care enough that a bunch of filthy uptight gaijin like us are offended. |
| Hmm (5.00 / 1) (#116) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:38:32 AM PST | |
| You seem remarkably familiar with this disgusting animation I have to say. This worries me. I have to ask, do you find yourself fascinated by Britney Spears in a schoolgirls' outfit? Does your daily route now take you first girls' schools? Do you find yourself aroused at the thought of an innocent, fresh face? Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| That's the least of your worries (1.00 / 1) (#152) | |
| by because it isnt on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:52:37 PM PST | |
| I have to ask, do you find yourself fascinated by Britney Spears in a schoolgirls' outfit? Does your daily route now take you first girls' schools? Do you find yourself aroused at the thought of an innocent, fresh face? Do you like chopping little girls up? How about feasting on them? If all you've seen is a (literally!) painted hussy lifting her skirt for tuppennys, then you haven't really seen much in this world, have you? adequacy.org -- because it isn't |
| Christian Values in Anime (1.00 / 1) (#111) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:56:15 AM PST | |
| I agree with you some *some* anime is really not all that tasteful (just as some normal released non-pornograpghic movies on the big screen are i.e. Leaving Las Vegas). Unfortunately you were unlucky enough to watch one such "crap" anime. Thet are all NOT like this. Many show no nudity what so ever and are just like any of America's normal public released movies at the theatres. The only difference is they use animation for the media.
I personally like the non-pornograpghic ones because in most they show women as being capable and strong. I think it would give American female children a great role model to see themselves as actually having brains and that they too can succede in society. I think anime is EVEN better for Japanese girls since their culture stresses so much male dominance (and we don't want to become another Taliban ourselves in America by doing that to our OWN women). So next time you see an anime in the store pick it up and look at the back and you will see a RATING on every anime of the appropriate age for the viewer, just as we have the ratings from G to PG-13 to R. Hopefully parents will actually pay attention to what their kids are asking to rent and check. Animation is not just a media to entice children really because children are always so VERY VERY enticed to go into the adult section of the video store and I am sure every child has given their parents the slip once in their young lives and gotten a peek inside. Also pick up the anime boxes without nude girls on it and read the description on the back and you will see it is not all smut but a lot of time was put into the storyline just like normal movies. |
| if you want to watch strong women (5.00 / 1) (#126) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:18:42 AM PST | |
| Then why don't you watch actual flesh-and-blood women? Why do you have to watch the fictitious constructions of a male cartoonist? I think you're more interested in consuming a certain fantasy than participating in the real world. |
| Escaping the real world (1.00 / 1) (#167) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:35:58 PM PST | |
| Almost all forms of media in all cultures and countries are used to help people "escape reality". Did you sit down with a good book recently? Dear God man! What are you doing escaping from reality? Watch any movies lately? Perhaps Casablanca? Tsk Tsk Tsk.....
- ibutsu |
| Cartoonists (none / 0) (#371) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 02:26:58 AM PST | |
| Not all illustrators and animators of anime are male. Many are female. Granted, I can't name any, but that's just because I don't usually read the credits on my anime. I only know the name of one anime creator/animator, that being Akira Toriyama, the creator of 'Dragonball' and 'Dragonball Z'. There are not, by the way, on my top ten list of excellent anime. Chinese legends don't really interest me all that much.
--Nintaku, Creator of Silly Titles 'Pretend you're invincible, and no one can save you from yourself' - 'Invincible' by No Use For A Name |
| partitioned arguments (none / 0) (#113) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:16:58 AM PST | |
| I became violently ill reading all of this garbage earlier this evening, and after thinking about it all a bit, I decided I needed to come back and put my .02 in. You're all living up the age old argument, but most are still doing it the exact same way. I've tried these some of these tactics before, and I feel that all they do is make an argument worthless. Arguments arent worthless, we engage in them to make sure that our reasoning is good behind our own decisions, and to become aware of the other peoples perspectives (at least this is what I believe).
Now, I am just a lad of 20, but I believe a lot of you are being very childish. In kindergarten and in home life (I have 3 younger brothers) I see children fight over erverything. They will get into intractable arguments because neither side is willing to admit that they could be wrong on any accounts. The same this is happening here. The stubborn religious types refuse to admit that, although they believe that one set of beliefs is right, they may infact be wrong. There doesn't seem to be quite so many, but I've run into plenty of atheists that will not admit that they could be wrong, and there may exist a higher being. Its my personal belief that growing up isnt about not watching cartoons anymore, or having sex, or putting away any childish things. I believe that this is a misconception of all the tight ass grown ups out there that forget what its like to have a little fun. Instead I believe that growing up is all about learning to admit that you can fallible, and to keep an open mind to others beliefs and ways of life. I used to fight with my siblings all the time. We would get into verbal and physical conflicts all the time. Sometimes, seemingly, out of the sheer pleasure of yelling at each other. But I've stopped fighting with my brothers, because now I can see that half the time, they were right. And looking back at it now, I perpetuated some arguments only because I felt superior as the eldest sibling, and I couldnt be the wrong one. Now though, I can see more clearly, and I enter into arguments now cautioning myself, to not be so blinded by my own zeal to see others points of view, and this also helps me to arbitrate arguments between my siblings who still engage in pointless battles. So I wish other people would grow up too. It hurts every time a religious person turtles when they can't argue logically and just starts labelling people as "liberal" or other garbage. But it also hurts when atheists just start mocking christianity without forming a logical argument. I know the frustrations, because often logical arguments are just dismissed. But they are still important. That being said. As a complete side note, I would like to add. That I am an anostic, and I am an avid anime fan. Its a little distirbing that anime gets thrown in the same bag as hentai. Because anime is to hentai as Masterpeice Theatre is to Debbie Does the Dallas Cowboys. People put them in the same bucket, the same way they keep calling anime a "cartoon" just because it is animated. I watch anime because the plot is often more complex, and involves more character developement than anything that you can watch on american television, and if you're about to disagree with me, it probabably just means that you havent watched enough anime. I even believe that some anime would do a better job at instilling value systems than any church that Ive been to. And I used to go to quite a few. You are welcome not to believe me, but I've most likely seen more anime than you have. This is not to say that I like hentai. I've never been a big fan of pornography, seeing as how the real thing is much better. You could say that such entertainment (hentai) encourages "deviant" sexual behavior, but I challenge you to prove that this is any different than any pornography that you can find here in the states. That's my long winded .02 hope I didnt sound like a pompous idiot. I often do and freely admit this. I also believe that I may be wrong about any or all of this. But this is my belief at the moment. Feel free to change my mind about any of it if you can give me a logical argument. |
| Thank you (5.00 / 1) (#115) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:32:52 AM PST | |
| For a Liberal and a sinner, you seem to actually practice the open-mindedness that others merely preach. While I do not agree with you on many of the points you would make, and would hope and pray that you see the Light in the future, I shall refrain from arguing with you as it is pleasent to see such rationality and politeness. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| shaddup (none / 0) (#740) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 10th, 2002 at 06:31:33 AM PST | |
| oh shaddup jon. u close-minded freak. using the name of god. u s2pid jackass. iv read all your stubborn posts,it doesn't make sense. now i dare you to reply to the topics with good arguments... |
| hmm (1.00 / 1) (#117) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:34:02 AM PST | |
| Majority of Japanese society are composed of Shinto Belief followers.
Did you know it can be said that Christans such as yourself Eric. Can be only interested in one thing when it comes to your religion? That is You only care about heaven. If god was to you tell you today that it was ok to go out and murder every last non christan...YOU would have no problem with that I wager. EVEN though this conflicts with your exsisting Beliefs. But I guess you cant refuse god EVEN though it is against your beliefs. I also as this. Which is more important to you? protecting your family? Or Protecting your place in heaven? Because you cant have it both ways. if you kill in self Defence, even if its not to protect your family. Is it selfish? is it Disobediant? Because what if god WANTED you to pass at that moment? I say this. You can not guess what god wishes of us all beyond being good people. And you CERTAINLY cannot say you actually care about these individuals who you call sinners, when you know above all else that you have no control over their fate, Only your god as you christians say. |
| hmm (1.00 / 1) (#119) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:54:27 AM PST | |
| sorry this was addressed to Jon Ericson. I messed up on that misprint, and prob other misprints exsist. |
| uh... (none / 0) (#738) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 10th, 2002 at 05:42:26 AM PST | |
| and the point??? no offense, but i simply don't get it |
| hmm... (none / 0) (#118) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 04:42:23 AM PST | |
| It seems that all the anime that has been reviewed are mostly hentai. It's like basing all American movies on pornography. My point is - don't generalise. There are lots of anime movies out there that doesn't have gratuitious violence or sex in it. An excellent example are anime movies directed by Hayao Miyazaki. His work have strong moral content without being preachy. He tends to have strong female characters in his movies that are good role models for young women as well. |
| YOUR SICK DOOD (1.50 / 2) (#124) | |
| by TrinTrinSan on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 06:57:31 AM PST | |
| those pictures you have posted are called adult manga or "hentai" you have to be 18 or older to purchase it, i think its sick and wrong of you to use those kind of pictures that children cannot go purchase in the stores, america sells somthing just like those pictures its called "porn" in yoru own word "oh blah blah blah porns so bad our children run around watchintg naughty nurses its making our childrens minds corrupt blah blah blah"
news flash, not all manga and anime is nudity people, just liek not all american tv is porn. i speak for the millions of anime fans out there who are not only lovers of anime but also lovers of christ, show me in the bible where it says "thou shalt damn anime because they have a adult version" |
| Huh? (1.00 / 1) (#129) | |
| by Winter on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 09:36:04 AM PST | |
| Do you have a point, or was this just an excuse to browse through a bunch of pornographic images "for the Lordah!"?
If you're going to crusade, don't write about it. We'll hear soon enough. |
| Wow! (1.00 / 1) (#131) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:33:46 AM PST | |
| I can't believe people like this really exist. Which of the thousands of versions of Christianity do you belong to Jon? It's too hard to come back with a response to religious people. They always pick and choose what to believe in, and then just call it Chrisitanity.
Saying that no other culture besides the white person's culture has something to offer, is just crazy. You sound like Hitler, and I know I'm not the first to say that here. I'm not here to try to convince you of anything, but why can't you just let people do what they want to do. Let me watch anime, and I'll let you read the Bible. Why do you have to ruin other peole's good time. Anime does not corrupt children, as your article suggested, nor is all anime targeted at children. Some anime are as harmless as cartoons here. Others are made for anyone who can understand it. Do you think so little of children, that you yourself has to mommy every single one? Children are not stupid. Sure, I wouldn't want a young child who doesn't understand a lot in the world, to watch anything with violence in it, but if the parents are doing their job, the child will understand it, rather than not even know about it. Prepare your kids for the real world, don't shield them from it. |
| I am truly saddend... (1.00 / 1) (#134) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:06:21 AM PST | |
|
...by all of you. Only few arguments have been made which contain unbiased views and attempts to reason with the other party. Some prefer to slander others with crude comments, and others know only half the story. Even the Church has someone to play Devil's Advocate for them whenever they consider declaring sainthood. And again, they try to remain neutral, following only their personal beliefs (i.e. Bible) and do not make unsubstantiated claims.
First off, to the creator: If you're going to make a topic like this, you're bound to get emotional responses; you're blatantly attacking what some people believe unjustly, and very aggressively at that. You can't expect a level-headed conservation unless you start one first. Next time, be more considerate to other people's beliefs and preferences as well. Second, you're using mostly stereotypes and what you THINK you know about about the subject. There isn't a hint of nearly enough research on the matter, except for a few pictures being placed in the article out of it's original context. Even Christians don't like it when the Bible is quoted out of context, so you should avoid that as well. Also, glorifying something and demeaning others is totally irrational and unneeded if it is the truth. Jesus learned and preached humility; let's follow that teaching. Don't praise things and put it on false pedestals, if someone accomplishes things, they will be acknoledged their due (hence my discontentment with certain media... but that's off-subject...) Now, to the topic... It is very true that due to the ever-increasing simplicity of information distribution, everyone, even children, now have access to information both legitamite and illegitamate. The dangers lie in them happening upon what is deemed "inappropriate" for their state of mind (age means nothing), like the above images show. These are truly not meant to be viewed by children or anyone who may take it the wrong way. America has a different mentality altogether than the entire eastern world, and thus shouldn't import everything that may turn a profit; money should be the last thing on our minds. Instead, patience is needed for people's mental maturity to change, then use of one's own faith in reasoning will guide the way. It is important that proper values be taught among children, such as respect for others. However bad the above images are though, it is taken out of context. Those are examples of pornography in general, and so you cannot attack one without attacking the other. In this case a form of media was attacked though, and that turns out to be the hypocritical part. What is done in form of animation has been done, and is still done, by real people for a longer period of time. Turn to almost any TV channel and you'll see the similar stylistic means to get a point across. "Pretty" people clearly dominate the media, and it's no different for made-up people. Everyone wants their ideal world (the author too, or he wouldn't have written the article), so they do their best to emulate it. It just happens to be easier to emulate with purely fictitious characters. The difference in japanese animation is however, their use of exaggeration. Ideally, everyone has child-like features, as adults are poignantly flawed. Children are often connotated with innocence and life, being full of energy and happy. To the japanese, all people should be more like children, so they would draw people with more child-like features. And they exaggerate the most important features, such as the eyes and subtle smile, as these are most important. As in any other form of media, characters have large breasts or muscles, and a shapely figure; given the choice, anyone would do the same. Another point to criticize would be that manga and anime are made purely as an artform; this is not exactly true as there is also a story to go along with it. In fact, I have come to notice that anime tends to have more of a plot than many other movies or TV shows, as there are no bounds to the symbolism that can be used. My favorite example would be "Grave of the Fireflies", a war film held in high regard for it's message and sincerity. You will find nothing of questionable to be attacked there. As you dig deeper into anime, it is true that many have fantasy and science-fiction themes, but the problems addressed therein are more real than many books. And book-lovers don't generally complain about TVs portrayals of fantastical themes, and Bible-lovers don't complain about a book author's freedom in books (non-perverted of course... but if your mind's still on that, maybe you're the one who needs to grow up :p). Anime in general is just based off people's view of the world. It happens to be one full of life and perks for anime-fans. Hence the bright colors and idealistic child-like persona of their characters. Japanese are far more used to respect and politeness, so when they care to induldge on their darker side as in the above pictures, they needn't fear about their children, as they grow up this way as well, and are very obedient. Perhaps American children should be taught these values better as well, or you could try shutting out the problem from them... but that often leads to disaster. In conclusion, real people or made-up people, it doesn't matter to the truly unbiased. We all see each other as a form of ideal picture in our minds, and our minds have yet to reach their full potential. Until we each come to our conclusions by our own power, we can only tolerate and nudge others, not destroy them and their beliefs. |
| You... (1.00 / 1) (#136) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:22:40 AM PST | |
|
You are a child. Adults would attack the root of the problem, which is American mentality, not the practices of another country! America is the one who imported anime from Japan, and it was too much to handle! Japan has much less social problems than America, and yet they have no problem with this because their kids know better! And yet here you are, whining about something that you shouldn't have touched in the first place, and continue to ignore the true problem at hand! Your beliefs have done nothing for you, and "heathens" manage to live much more peacefully through their own strength instead of relying on somebody else! God may love you, but he'll love you more if you could actually think for yourself! You weakness of sight will be your downfall... ignorance is a sin everybody knows about, why not you? |
| You, a Believer? (1.00 / 1) (#139) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:05:13 PM PST | |
| A devout believer does not see the devil in all things... those of true faith have no need for slander, so stop your aggressions now... |
| idiot... (1.00 / 1) (#142) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 12:37:08 PM PST | |
| Jon Erikson has to be the dumbest person, ever. The post he has insults me as an American, a liberal, and a Christian. It amazes me such stupidity in people even exist. |
| are you flirting? (5.00 / 1) (#156) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 02:58:34 PM PST | |
| The post he has insults me as an American, a liberal, and a Christian.
Flatterer. |
| *Sigh* How pathetic of everyone... (none / 0) (#143) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:04:44 PM PST | |
| OH MY! I cannot believe all of you are wasting your time on the purpose of anime and if it evil or not. *sigh*
What I can say is a lot of you are not open minded and are treating people badly by generalizing and I'm sorry but Disney IS copying japanese animation because the record states that the first *anime* was done in 1917 and was called Saru Kani Kassen (The crab takes revenge on the monkey) and these animes were mainly for children at that point. Of course, times change and the japanese animation adapts to the world we are living today. And PLEASE, there is no such thing as satanism being in anime and since I don't believe in christinaity because that religion as many others are opium to the mind and is actually blinding people, I think that the person who wrote that article should go and seek for some help, seriously. The animes I'm watching are a metaphor for the small being heard, for the minorities geeting heard yes, a lot of animes show that courage, loyality,love, freindship,trust and honesty are possible and therefore are NOT evil. Go and look at Fushigi Yuugi for example. Also, the violence in some of those animes have a purpose. Anyway, I can't believe you guys are wasting your time with that... I'm just a poor little female adult that knows nothing for a lot of you I assume :/ |
| Message to the great Jon Erikson and Adam Rightman (1.00 / 1) (#145) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:10:50 PM PST | |
| As a fellow Christian, i must say something about this. And this is what i have to say... you are sooooo stereotypical Jon and Adam. You guys judge things right away without understanding them, makes me kinda think you guys are prejudice. First off, just cause people grows up doesn't mean they still get to watch cartoons. Cartoons is a form of ENTERTAINMENT, not just learning morals and that. When a adult grows up, they can do anything they want to do. Second, your researching on Japanese animation, Anime, or manga (or the way you named it, the Foriegn Plague) is really really awful. I am disappointed on your research and lack of knowledge for anime and manga. Not all anime and manga is for children, most are suitiable for teenagers and adults. And don't blame Japan, blame the parents who FAILS or does terrible at protecting the kids from the foriegn plague. And not all of the anime are Sci-fi and fantasy, there's also drama, comedy, romance, action, adventure, horror. Oh wait, you were probably blind and ignored them looking for mostly sci-fi and fantasy with hentai (naked filth) in them. Maybe your still watching them- oops, did i insult? I'm sorry, there, happy? Well here's a anime film you should get. It's called "Wings of Honneamise", no, it's not fantasy, maybe a bit of sci-fi since it's about a man wanting to go to space. This is a movie you should watch, there's a christian woman in it. you'll probably enjoy, oh no wait, you probably won't, you already hate anime. my bad.
and to mr. Adam apple- i mean Adam Rightmann. How dare you say all manga readers are geeks. That's like a big insult towards everyone. I thought good people aren't suppose to insult other people? oh no, this must mean adam is retarded. Anyways i have a friend who's a geek but is really friendly and such. He knows what anime is but doesn't watch it much often. I am really disappointed in this article or message or whatever. Also, you're terrible and pathetic at researching subjects. All i'm going to do after i post this is laugh at you... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... |
| Reply (5.00 / 1) (#161) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:38:51 PM PST | |
| As a fellow Christian, i must say something about this. And this is what i have to say... you are sooooo stereotypical Jon and Adam. You guys judge things right away without understanding them, makes me kinda think you guys are prejudice.
What's there to understand? I mean, it strikes me as being very easy to understand that showing such flagrently pedophiliac images of nubile young girls is immoral, and anyone that believes in the word of the Lord should easily be able to see that. When a adult grows up, they can do anything they want to do. You are no Christian! You sir, are nothing more than a filthy relativist, trying to disguise your foul habits under a cloak of worthiness. I need to say no more. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| Hrmm (1.00 / 1) (#170) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 05:14:19 PM PST | |
| Are you saying adults cannot do what they want? That they are not allowed to think for themselves? If you believe such things, you need a reality check. Freedom is what God always promised, to the hebrew slaves in egypt and to all beievers of him, if you do not believe in freedom, how can you call yourself a Christian and a believer and follower of God? Do not confuse your personal beliefs with those of all Christians.
- ibutsu |
| Geez honestly (1.00 / 1) (#250) | |
| by liathchan on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:22:40 PM PST | |
| Wow such filthy comments from a so-called christian. There is something that isn't seen it seems. Not all of the characters are female and younge there are older characters, and males. And to tell the truth i have seen a sarge amount of anime mostly non-hentai. There has been no pedophilia. You have really odd beliefs in my opinion. I bet you are against abortion and cloning, just a guess though i could be wrong. Knives - "Thats the easiest way to do it. You wanted to save the butterfly, right?" |
| are you done judging yet? (1.00 / 1) (#252) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:40:21 PM PST | |
| wait, you're not? Then shut up!
This reminds me of the time when Adam and Eve were naked in the Garden of Eden prancing around... By the looks of your message, i can easily tell you ain't no adult. You're probably just gonna end up ignoring this mr. moron. And those pictures you showed never appeared on the anime you watched. I'm a guy that's in art, and i can easily tell those pics are drawn by hentai (anime porn) fans. You probably still kept the uncensored version, but then again how would I know? I don't even know you, and thank God i don't know you... sigh, but then maybe you're right. Maybe i should stop watching anime and watch Looney Tunes and do what they do. I should probably hunt down the fast runner in my school by laying traps to capture him so i can eat him. Or dress up in hunting gear and hunt teachers and eat them... (sarcasm right there) I love to draw art, i also draw anime. If God gave me a command to become priest rather then a artist, i'd just laugh and hang myself. I do what i wanna do. So is there anything with drawing when i wanna draw? Anything wrong with hanging with my friends when i wanna hang with them? Anything wrong with cooking my little cousin food when i wanna cook him food? Anything wrong when with me when i go to church? No? good, then shut up. |
| Out of intrest? (1.00 / 1) (#271) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 03:45:15 AM PST | |
| I take it you are the kind of person who is also against Harry potter?
If you are truly a Christian the surely you must remember it is not for you to judge people. Then again Christianity is very hypocritical, after all it states that thou shall not kill, yet because of Christianity we have thousands of people murdered around the world all in the name of spreading the good word. But back to the original idea of this thread the idea that anime is aimed at courpting our children. Animation has only been aimed at children in the western world, in other cultures they are aimed at people of all ages to add to this just look at the items produced at Hollywood, they are often many times more violent than many anime films are?. The style of anime drawing goes back to 1917 when the first series were made so I think you need to check your facts. Also are you suggesting that America is a good and 'Holy' place being corrupted by evil foreign influences if so, how can you say this when there have been numerous instances of kids grabbing guns and murdering there class mates? This was before anime had even hit the American shores. Well that's my rant over. |
| hahahaha.. (none / 0) (#296) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 10:23:46 AM PST | |
| To understand, you gotta research, but i guess you were too retarded to do research. So from this point on, i'm just gonna call you dumb@$$, because you're dumb and in my opinion you're an @$$. You probably ignored the FACT that you are terrible at researching anime mr. dumb@$$.
And where in the bible does it say "ANIME AND MANGA IS EVIL"? oh no, you can't find it! [entering sarcasm] Maybe you should write it in your bible so that you can read it and preach the lie to other people. Now have a nice day mr. dumb@$$! ^_^ |
| Where's the 'pedophilism'? (none / 0) (#366) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:52:00 AM PST | |
| Mr. Erikson, I am a 16 year old who watches anime. Out of all of the anime I've seen, only one has had any pedophilism or pedophilistic references, and that one was not hentai. The only pedophilistic Japanese illustrations or animations I can imagine would exist would be either hentai of very peculiar nature or just something someone drew while extremely bored.
While I'm on the subject of anime, I'd like to suggest that you watch all of the anime show called 'Neon Genesis Evangelion'. Very heavily influenced by Christianity, albeit being science fiction. I'm sure you'd find it... interesting, at least. Be sure to catch the Adam and Eve reference at the end, the 'playing God' references throughout, the references to 'Angels', the unspoken allusion to the story of the 'Prodigal Son', et cetera. Although not one of my favorites, it is definitely one of the best and most substantive anime ever produced. And for at least a moment, please try not to think of anything non-American (which would basically include everything non-Native American) to be evil or wrong, or even morally bankrupt. --Nintaku, Gamer of the New Millenium 'I am a soldier of peace, ever searching for the elusive mayfly known as love.' -Vash the Stampede, Trigun |
| Nubile. Is that clouds or something? (none / 0) (#450) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 05:58:54 PM PST | |
| Nubile young girls. Obviously you haven't been to a high school recently. Or a middle school for that matter. Girls run rampant nowadays wearing halter-tops and miniskirts and hot pants during school. "Geeks" and "nerds" and any other guy can salivate watching these "nubile young girls."
So are you going on a crusade to ban school yet? |
| You have the Attention span of a gnat! (none / 0) (#482) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 3rd, 2001 at 06:48:14 PM PST | |
| First did you read the INTIRE Post!?!?! You defenently(sp?) did not! I know alot of Adults who watch Animes.....My dad for 1! I introduced it to him and he is ok with me watching this so called "New sin". I can name you 3 animes that have NOTHING TO DO WITH SEX,EXTREME VIOLENCE AND Temptresses!!
1:Child's Toy-The series of a Hyper-active Girl who is a star of her own tv series(No sex,No violence...I think..... and do you count 8-12 year olds tempresses?) 2:1 pound Gospel-A Nun in training is trying to help a boxer stop being a glutton(THERE,A PRO-CHRISTIAN ANIME!!!.SATIFIED!) 3:Catnapped-2 kids go to a world were everyone are cats to bring back they're dog from a evil sorceress(A Anime Disney movie......AND IF YOU THINK THE SORCERESS IS A TEMPTRESS THEN YOU NEED GLASSES OR SOMETHING!) There,I don't expect you to get some sense but hope you listen to me |
| ugh (none / 0) (#739) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 10th, 2002 at 05:50:39 AM PST | |
| i'm sick of you jon!!! why don't you try and watch an anime suggested to you??? even just once, for this topic to cease. god.
your so narrow-minded!!! shouldn't you be intrigued that many are defending anime, adult and youth alike? if i were you, i'd try to watch the animes suggested to me, then decide if it's really satanistic or not. but you're so stubborn! |
| Anime == silly cartoons? (5.00 / 2) (#147) | |
| by BinaryTree on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:13:59 PM PST | |
| Is this the right place to discuss those silly cartoons with the big
eyes? I'm curious, where did they originate? I'm guessing they were the experiments of some Berkeley artists doing too much acid in the 60's that unfortunately caught on, but I could be wrong. What I really don't understand is why these cartoons have caught on with adults. Watching cartoons is sad enough, but I really have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high. I have this horrible suspicion that most people who watch these cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and masturbate while fantasizing about these bizarre looking women. Not that I'm against geeks or masturbation, you understand, but I'd hope one would use real women for inspiration. I'd appreciate anyone who can help explain why these cartoons are viewed as anything more than a bad joke. Thanks. |
| alright (none / 0) (#247) | |
| by liathchan on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:16:00 PM PST | |
| Well i guess not everyone are as much of an adult as you!. As for me I like Anime, I have several mangas and I am FEMALE. No I am not a lesbian, whether you will take my word for it or not. Anime may only be silly to you, it is incredibly similiar with "regular" movies. THe storylines can be good or bad, just like with movies, and acting can be conpared to voice acting. I have watched several animes and cryed at the ends because they were sad. God forbid the silly cartoons can evoke emotions! You are entitled to your view so farewell. Knives - "Thats the easiest way to do it. You wanted to save the butterfly, right?" |
| a fluffy anonymous reader with a beak (none / 0) (#262) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:28:31 AM PST | |
| God created
humans in his own image.Humans drew anime to express themselves. Whether good
nor bad,animation will always be a topic.Its like saying that all asian guys are
dumb.I agree with your statement. "The storylines can be good or bad,
just like with movies, and acting can be conpared to voice acting." You
just can't say a rock is red, because not all rocks are red.
Hmm... "We arn't God and sometimes we have to play the devil." Wolfwood. |
| Intriguing (none / 0) (#287) | |
| by BinaryTree on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 07:59:15 AM PST | |
| I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits
(in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism
of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to "stir up" trouble. Christ, if there was an alt.sex.rape group would I be "trolling" if I went in there an told them they were a bunch of sickos? Of course not. I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I wrote patently offensive. I've been a little too mature for some years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject. |
| Female and anime watcher (none / 0) (#336) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 07:27:03 PM PST | |
| Hey, my name is Kiri, and I'm a 21 year old female who has been a fan of various anime for years now. You asked honestly why people would want to watch something you view as cartoons (I don't blame you for that misconception. It's one I had too.) and I have decided to respond honestly. I am not trying to change anyone's mind. I just want to explain something properly. I'll address your comments first though.
"I love how people who are deeply embarassed about certain personal habits (in this instance, a taste for stupid cartoons) tend to treat any criticism of those deviant habits as a deliberate attempt to 'stir up' trouble." My parents actually criticize me all the time. It's kind of amusing (because they aren't very serious about it). We all have things we find fun or amusing and just simply enjoyable. My grandmother used to watch soap operas. Anime tends to have a more intellectual (well... depending on the one you see) approach to life, not just melodrama. Which of us is wrong, my grandmother or me? She watched things about lurid sex and ludicrous plots and I watched animation. I think neither of us are. My dad likes fantasy novels. My mom likes Star Trek. My brother likes Everquest. None of us are doing any of these things to the point where it affects our social lives or makes us deviant. In fact, I think it's considered healthy to have a hobby. :) "I also think you're being unduly sensitive if you consider what I wrote patently offensive. I've been a little too mature for some years now to watch cartoons, so I was surprised to learn from an aquaintance that these big eyed things are popular among a few people. I'd appreciate any enlightenment you can offer on the subject." Yeah, some people like to cause flame wars, or just yell without any reason. Ehn, such is life. And why on earth are you too mature to watch cartoons? Is it wrong? Even just to sit and watch something like Bugs Bunny? Man, that's way too old for me. I always hope to be able to look at the world with childish curiosity. Anyway, I think anime is fun. It's oftentimes better written than American shows. (Trigun anyone?) It tends to have a continous plot (except for children's shows like Pokemon, though Digimon has a continous plot) and it's like a story that you would read, but in a visual medium. (I hope some of this is making sense... it's been a long day.) I guess what is so appealing to me is the fantasy of it while keeping the characters human (even if they might not be) and the continuous story line, instead of a regenerated "bad guy does something bad, good guy beats him, good prevails" so often found in American television. In real life, good does not always win. It's the same in anime, though most often there /are/ happy endings. Anyway, I've done a lot of rambling. If you have any questions or comments, you can direct them to me at kiri@fushigiyuugi.org and I'll happily respond (except to flames. I use those in my fireplace. Or feed them to my cats.). I tried my hardest not to offend anyone. Yeah, I guess that's it. -Kiri |
| I agree (none / 0) (#768) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Tue Jul 9th, 2002 at 08:15:22 PM PST | |
| I agree with Kiri.
I Have watch many anime shows. I've seen some where the only meaning of it is to kill or be killed. But i've seen some with an actual plot. If you only have seen one that is extremely destructive to your psyche then i believe you are not mature enough to be able to tell the diference between Fantasy and REALITY. |
| Anime (none / 0) (#359) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 12:23:03 AM PST | |
| wacth some, thats all i can say. Open your mind a littel. |
| bitch, (none / 0) (#736) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri May 10th, 2002 at 03:48:03 AM PST | |
| why don't you try watching one??? |
| Life is full of many questions and opinions... (none / 0) (#258) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:00:31 AM PST | |
| Your little comment on the eyes was quit amusing,but no.I know people who do dirty things and some who are geeks,but your idea with
"most people who watches these cartoons are socially inept geeks who sit alone in the dark and masturbate while fantasizing about these bizare looking women" was sort of unclear to me in a sense.Many people enjoy watching anime and yet they still have a life.The eyes are drawn for feelings and emotion like
Mona Lisa's smile. "I really have to question the motives of those who watch cartoons in which every female appears to be some poor souls idealized version of a prepubescent girl he wanted to get his hands on him junior high." Was this a hentai or a regular anime?Don't confuse the two,because hentai is its own category under anime.I'm not really that ofended by your comments.Anime,just like everything,can be associated with adults.Like how people can make books and plastic models into things for adults. Cartoons/animation was create for the soul purpose of entertanment and expression of feelings.Art is a feeling like the eyes.Cartoons don't have emotions,but human gives it to them.Its just an expresion of thought and imaginatio.So you see them as bad jokes?Everyone has their own opinion and views about anime so I guess animation is just a big joke to you.Its arite,but just have an open mind about others. |
| A-NI-MEH! ANIME!!! GET IT RIGHT AT LEAST!!! (none / 0) (#704) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Mar 13th, 2002 at 07:52:35 PM PST | |
| ANOTHER moron to add to the growing ranks of morons....
WELL, if you see it that way, why don't you call Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny silly? Hmmm.... racist scum... Anime Knight |
| question (5.00 / 1) (#148) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 01:15:56 PM PST | |
| Out of curiosity I'd like to know what anime (or "manga films") Jon Erikson watched to write this article.
thanks, Matthew |
| Some titles (5.00 / 1) (#160) | |
| by Jon Erikson on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 03:27:48 PM PST | |
| To be perfectly honest I've tried to put this filth out of my mind as much as possible, although my dreams are now often haunted by foul images of brazen temptresses with huge eyes. And I am a man of God!
But anyway, I think there was one called Dragonballs, another called Princess Moloko or something and one about ghosts or some other pagan nonsense. There were a couple more, but they were so blandly horrific I couldn't really remember any details. Jon Erikson Senior consultant, NPO Technologies |
| Although I know you wont listen.... (1.00 / 1) (#171) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 05:23:53 PM PST | |
| Perhaps you should try watching some that have a reality based theme... I'd suggest a romantic comedy series called Love Hina but an unmarried man lives in a house with girls! Boy, how unchristian is that! Even though there is no nudity, there are some sexual jokes (although in most cases they are accidents) and some sci-fish happenings, for the most of the series it tries to stay down to earth for the most part. Beyond that, it is about a person who made a promise as a young boy (to go to Tokyo University with the girl he made the promise to and to live happily ever after) an is trying to keep it to the best of his ability although he does not remember who the young girl was as she moved away shortly after. It is a good series, although you will most likely not believe me.
- ibutsu |
| I want my 2 minutes of ignorance too! (1.00 / 1) (#172) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 05:35:40 PM PST | |
| To Mr.Erikson:
People like you are the reason people like me need medication... I mean seriously... The only reason some people are alive is because it's illegal to kill them... By the way no offense... I think someone accidentally pissed in your gene pool -MADHATTER |
| ghosts or some other pagan nonsense (1.00 / 1) (#231) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 10:08:05 PM PST | |
| I can only guess that you refer to Ghost in the Shell which was not about the supernatural, but rather the implecations of technology becoming so integrated with life that many humans had mecanical bodies and artificial intelligence became a reality. The term ghost refered to a person's actual essence (soul). The moral implictation of this was whether an artificial being could have a ghost (soul).
Also the pictures used to represent all anime are offensive. First and most importantly, someone had the blasphemous idea to paste images of persons held sacred to Christianity onto hentai. Secondly, as stated before by others, hentai is a gross misrepresentation of anime. Hentai is to anime as American pornography is to American made movies. It does not follow that because all hentai is anime, all anime is hentai. Finally, these images did not come from Dragonball, Princess Mononoke, or Ghost in the Shell. There must be more that you "forgot" to list. This is merely a hypothesis, but due to the fact that no reference to specific anime is included in the article that your research was only hentai and the titles you have been trying to "put out of your" are actually just reference to three of the most famous non-hentai anime. Please correct me it I'm wrong. In closing, I find most offensive of all this obviously unbiased and unresearched "article," is the sense of smug superiority over all non-Americans and non-Christians. Asserting that there is nothing to learn from any other culture is a sickening, racist statement. Jesus taught acceptance of all regardless of race, social position, or religious standpoint. Astribulus P.S. I am both a Christian and an anime viewer. They are not mutually exclusive. |
| Ohhhh funny! (1.00 / 1) (#245) | |
| by liathchan on Fri Nov 30th, 2001 at 11:08:21 PM PST | |
| called Dragonballs, another called Princess Moloko or something
Oh hahahaha Dragonball and Dragonball Z are some of the most non-hentai animes I've seen! Add to that Princess Mononoke that has no nudity in it at all! Thoses pictures you have are definitly Hentai however and as many before me have stated not all anime is Hentai. At first your original article pissed me off, but now i can't stop laughing about it. You know soo little about anime its funny. You can't even spell the names right. That does make me laugh. but hey, you posted your opinnion, and although I don't agree you are entitled to your beliefs. Knives - "Thats the easiest way to do it. You wanted to save the butterfly, right?" |
| The writer assumes all Anime/Manga is "evil&q (none / 0) (#306) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 12:09:24 PM PST | |
| I'll take it that you have never ever heard of Pokemon or Digimon?
btw, If you are going to censor it properly ... do it with black tape... not with silly images |
| BAKA!!!!!!!!!!! (none / 0) (#567) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sun Dec 16th, 2001 at 12:12:01 AM PST | |
| i agree with censoring properly, i dont think putting pictures of christ and mary (is that who they are?) over a womans titties is really appropriate...so i think your just a sick perv...princess mononoke was an excellent movie btw...and will you please quit calling pagan things nonsense, you stupid prick, most christian holidays and traditions were stolen from the pagans you dumbass so you dont need to be commenting like that
btw....baka is idiot in japanese ^_^ OMG ITS TITS!!! *sarcasm* heh... |
| Dragonball (none / 0) (#518) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Dec 6th, 2001 at 10:06:41 PM PST | |
| ...not to add anymore silliness and misunderstanding to this obvious (but hilarious) troll site... but
I'm guessing you've only seen the TV edit versions of the Dragonball series, and never read the manga. It's hardly what I would call hentai, but it's not exactly the most innocent thing out there either... Raven... impatiently waiting another year or so before gifting my nephews with Dragonball DVDs |
| So, you weren't joking? (none / 0) (#363) | |
| by iconoclast on Sun Dec 2nd, 2001 at 01:18:54 AM PST | |
| Honestly, I wasn't sure if you were one of those overzealous, frothing-at-the-mouth-christians or just being sarcastic.
But now that I am sure it's the former, what you're saying is that you couldn't help but get horny after watching some cartoons and it made you feel guilty, so we should ban these cartoons? Because you can't keep your libido in check? The part I don't understand is why you kept watching them. Shouldn't a god-fearing christian like yourself have realized it was the devil, satan trying to temp you, and turned away? You've only got yourself to blame. Damnit, god is going to be PISSED. |
| I want to vomit. (none / 0) (#469) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Mon Dec 3rd, 2001 at 12:05:19 AM PST | |
| First off, you have no specific examples to back up any of the statements made in your article. Then when you finally do come up with some names (if you can call what you pulled out of your ass names), you pick things that have nothing to do with sex or naked women fulfilling their lustful desires. I will admit that there is ADULT anime out there, but the only way that a child could get a hold of it is by having incredably ignorant parents. You also said that you had watched "hours" of this "filth". If it bothered you that much, why would you watch it? And it is obvious that you got nothing out of it when you can't even name what you watched. I am also appuled that you refured to anime as "cartoons" when it is so much more than a cartoon. Cartoons are Bugs bunny and Road Runner. Anime is deeper, they hold stories with actual meaning. I must also say that the images you chose are not even close to an accurate representation of anime (oh, and kudos on violating your messiah and his mother, by pasting them over hentai). And who the hell are you to say what adults can be entertained by? No where does your book say "Thou shalt not enjoy childish things". Show me where it says that. Finally, you are a uneducated little shit-head extreemist christian. You hurt your faith more than you help it. |
| You have to be kidding me... (none / 0) (#724) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Mar 16th, 2002 at 05:12:23 PM PST | |
| You judged the collective realm of Anime based off THREE sources...in the immortal words of Darrel Hammond on SNL "Boy, I think you might be legally retarded" (no offense meant to any out there who truly are)
This officially demonstrated just how shoddy and ignorant your opinion is...the entire article made me get the insatiable urge to take an IQ test just to make sure I hadn't become stupider from your 'opinion'...when are you people finally going to realize the US is NOT the pure and moral realm you like to make it out as (based on the fact you clearly view Japan as a heathen nation) if anything some could argue they are more civilized than we are I pity anyone who believes this article is credible...you've seriously downgraded my opinion of my fellow man... |
| You Must be the anti christ (none / 0) (#775) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jul 25th, 2002 at 07:27:32 PM PST | |
| The fact that you put an image of Christ on those dirty pictures means that you will burn in hell.
And by the way, I can tell you lied about everything you said. |
| what is anime?!?!! WTF??!?!?!? (1.33 / 3) (#275) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 04:54:23 AM PST | |
| anime/manga are japanese cartoons...if you have ever seen Transformers then you have seen some manga at least...
this guy really gives me the shits...blah blah blah...im not even going to care to read the rest of this artical...i only read like 3 paragraphs and thought this guy is a BEEP BEEPEN BEEP!!!!...etc etc etc...
there are many forms of manga/anime...you should try look it up but be warnd you may come across some pisc you'd rather not see (hentai) whioch this guy seemed to pick up and put in a censor...the sick prick... |
| ATTN: seventypercent and the Adequacy editors: (none / 0) (#282) | |
| by tkatchev on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 06:01:05 AM PST | |
| This article was zeroed due to horrible misspellings and abuse of punctuation. -- Peace and much love... |
| A: All of them... (none / 0) (#292) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 09:04:30 AM PST | |
| ...at least everything that had an "adult only" sticker. After all, like all good censors and want-to-be censors, he needed to make sure it was all bad.
Isn't he dedicated? Devoting long, lonely nights to finding hentai and watching it all alone, with perhaps only a bottle of hand lotion and some tissues (he has dry skin, he told me). Poor Jon, having to keep the world safe for the rest of us. |
| AMAZING!!! (none / 0) (#705) | |
| by Anonymous Reader on Wed Mar 13th, 2002 at 07:57:02 PM PST | |