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How should this situation be handled?
Avoid him to whatever extent possible 3%
Complain to Human Resources 13%
Try to convert him with moral literature 25%
Attempt to get him fired 21%
Find another job 5%
Other (explain below) 30%

Votes: 52

 Dealing With Communism in the Workplace

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Nov 21, 2001
These days, when you hear about problems in the "work environment", it's usually something silly like ergonomics, employees who play their radios too loudly, or fabricated leftivist gobbledygook like the "glass ceiling." All of these frivolities can distract attention away from real problems in American workplaces, and it is in that spirit that I pose the following question to the readership of

What is a decent person to do when you find out that you are working with a Communist?


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Dealing with Nazism in the Workplace
I was originally going to submit this as a diary entry, but I changed my mind when I began to contemplate the seriousness of this topic. This is something that can (potentially) affect us all, and I want to have a frank and (hopefully) productive discussion with Adequacy readers about this situation, and what can be done to rectify it.

This whole thing started when my software development team and I decided to go out for dinner and drinks after work in order to celebrate a recent software release. We had worked hard on it for several months, and I thought it would be an excellent opportunity to have some fun, blow off some steam, and discuss the months ahead. After an excellent meal, almost everybody left. The only people that remained were myself and another developer who has been on the team for several months now. We retired to the lounge, ordered a few beers, and spent an hour or so "shooting the breeze."

With a course of a few minutes, the talk turned to politics. It was then that I learned the horrible and sordid truth about this person. He supports the Social Security, welfare, and unemployment entitlement programs. He voluntarily redistributes a portion of his income to such non-church entities as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and the Red Cross. He has no problem with "gay" people. He supports the rampant federalization of airline security workers, and the general expansion of the United States government. And he voted for Al Gore (!) in the last presidental election.

Through all this, I smiled and nodded politely, though I could have just as easily leaped across the table and strangled him. This country has got servicemen in active duty right now, fighting to protect us from the very "values" that he represents ... yet he has the unmitigated gall to spit on the principles that the nation was founded upon, ruining what was otherwise a pleasant dinner. I looked at my watch, mumbled something about having to get home, and left. On the way to my car, I kicked a trash can approximately 50 feet, spraining three toes in the process.

As I lay in bed with my wife that evening, I pondered an interesting hypothetical. Would it have been better if I had skipped the dinner and never had that conversation with this person, and instead gone to work the next day, continuing to believe that he was a decent and moral individual? I am torn by this. On the one hand, the little illusions that we cling to can help us get through the day intact. I have to admit that this stunning revelation is really hurting my productivity. I'll be busily hacking away on my latest chunk of C code and suddenly something will remind me of this person and I'll become overwhelmed with anger. I think about Stalin and what he did to all of those millions of people, and it makes me mad. Then I realize that one of Josef's devotees is sitting three cubicles down from me, and it's all I can do to prevent myself from slamming my fist into my keyboard in rage. Going outside and smoking a Marlboro seems to be a nice, calming influence .. but in an hour I'm right back outside again, smoking another cigarette.

On the other hand, my rational side tells me that it's better for me to know the truth, no matter how horrible it is. Even if it completely destroys my productivity and work output, it's better that this is out in the open. I was lucky; I found out the truth when we were in a fairly isolated social situation. It could have been worse .. far worse. What if the truth had come out at the company's summer picnic, an event that my wife and children attend with me? What if this person had gotten to my family? I'll be honest with you .. before last night, I would have invited this individual into my home for dinner or drinks without a moment's hesitation. I shudder to think what might have happened if I had gotten up to use the restroom or answer the phone, leaving my family alone with this monster.

All things being equal, I think it's better than I know the truth. However, as the Astute Reader will point out, this is all mental hand-wringing anyway; what's done is done, and it's time to deal with it. Wasting all this time contemplating about how things could have turned out is even less productive than beating the side of your monitor in rage at how Chairman Mao butchered so many of his own people.

In my personal life, where I have a good deal of control over who I allow into my world and who I do not, I don't consort with Communists, and neither should you. It's a matter of principle. At work, however, it's a completely different story. Here, an individual does not have a particularly large amount of control over the people that we see, work, and interact with. The fact that there is a Communist here is bad enough ... the fact that he works on my freaking team is exponentially worse.

I've got some options. The first, I suppose, is to try to avoid him to whatever degree possible. There are many reasons why this will be difficult, not the least of which is that we are both on the same team and a certain amount of interaction is required. If team communication suffers, then productivity suffers, and that will hurt my company's ability to maximize its wealth-creation potential. Still, my productivity is suffering enough as it is, and so maybe avoiding him is not a bad call. If he catches on and starts asking questions, however (and he probably will), then there exists the danger of an altercation that can make things worse off for everybody. If a campaign of avoidance is the answer, it will have to be carefully orchestrated.

The second option is to report this individual to Human Resources. HR types are notorious for going to extreme lengths in order to promote a "healthy workplace", and I could contend to them that such a workplace does not include Marxists. The problem with this is that Human Resources departments typically only care about fabricated leftist issues, such as "sexual harassment." This being the case, they are more likely to sympathize with my bloodthirsty butcher of a co-worker than they are to take action against him. They will ask for concrete examples of his workplace misbehavior, and they will be missing the point. Communists always try to keep things quiet; in the 1950s, it took the combined effort of the United States Congress and the national media to run the Stalinists out of Tinseltown. This being the case, I find it unlikely that a couple of pencil-pushers in HR are going to help me here.

Another option is to try to convert this individual. I could "accidentally" leave copies of magazines such as The Weekly Standard and WorldNet laying around the office in conspicuous locations where he is likely to find them. You never know ... he might pick them up, start reading, and learn the truth about liberals, minorities, etc. I admit that it is more likely that he will take the magazines out to the parking lot and burn them, but it might be worth a shot. Perhaps if I were to anonymously slip books and articles by respected people such as William F. Buckley, George Will, and Phyllis Schlafly into his mailbox, he might see the light. It's a long shot, but the investment is minimal and the payoff is potentially great. Despite what you may think, I really do want to save this person from his enslavement to the collectivist claptrap that he so desperately clings to.

There is another option I'm considering. I am in a position to give feedback for this individual's yearly performance review, and the review period is coming up in a couple of months. Furthermore, as the project leader, my input will carry a lot of weight with our management. I could easily put together a very negative review which portrays this guy as a complete, bumbling boob. The conclusion would be that he is nothing but dead weight and an extreme liability for the firm. Now by all accounts, this guy does excellent work, so there are some real moral and ethical questions that are brought up by this course of action. However, I have to admit that these concerns quickly evaporate when I think of Elian Gonzalez licking the boots of that bearded freak in Havana. "Two wrongs don't make a right," the old saying goes, but whoever came up with that saying was not dealing with the likes of Lyndon LaRouche and Ted Kennedy.

My final option is to quit my job. Ultimately, it's going to have to be either me or him. If I can't convert him or get him to leave, and if I can't convince the firm that it's poor business policy to have Kruschevists on the staff, then I'll have no choice but to remove myself from the equation and seek employment with somebody who places a higher emphasis on traditional values and American decency. This would (obviously) be a last resort; I shouldn't have to quit my job and throw my family into financial uncertainty because of the actions of somebody else. But if decent Americans are not willing to take a principled stand on this, the most important of issues, have we not sold out? If we turn a blind eye to the menace of Communism, how are we any better than the Communists themselves?

I'm interested to hear input from Adequacy readers.


this site gets more stupid with every story... (none / 0) (#4)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 10:40:42 AM PST
What a jerk. I can tell by your rant that you're a liberatarian, and I am too, but the basis of that is to let each man decide for himself how he wants to live his life. Who cares if you don't find his ideology acceptable? The whole point of liberatarianism is that you can't decide what's good for someone else, which is what you are trying to do.

Whoa (none / 0) (#5)
by seventypercent on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:07:38 AM PST
I can tell by your rant that you're a liberatarian

I am not a Libertarian. My official affiliation is with Howard Phillips and the Constitution Party. While I admire the basic libertarian principle of limited goverment, the hedonistic free-for-all that libertarianistism calls for would be disastrous. Any party whose platform calls for the legalization of drugs, prostitution, sodomy, and abortion is not good for America. Government does have a role in promoting and providing deceny, the sort of decency that the Founding Fathers would want if they were around today.

If you've ever seen television appearances by Harry Browne (the Libertarian Party's last presidental candidate), you'll know what I mean. Every time the guy is on TV, his eyes are glazed over, his speech is slurred, and the guy is so obviously stoned that I cannot believe that anybody would throw their support behind such impropriety. If the LP would throw in a commitment to decent values to go with their small-government crusade, I would back them 100%.

you can't decide what's good for someone else, which is what you are trying to do.

You have me confused with the Communists. It is they who believe that everybody must think and behave like them. If you've seen Star Trek, you're familiar with the scene where Darth Vader tells the Emperor: "He will join us or die, my Master." This is the Marxist mindset, and all you need to do is look at the history books if you want proof.

Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

Is your tagline a joke? (none / 0) (#8)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:14:02 AM PST
Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

It seems like it could be a joke, and it definately should be...but by reading your article I'm not so sure...

Or of course, you may actually be gullible enough to actually believe what MS tells you...

I guess red blooded patriots like blue screens and crashing pc's...oh well...more power to you...

You guys insinuate yourselves into every thread (5.00 / 1) (#10)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:29:41 AM PST
Or of course, you may actually be gullible enough to actually believe what MS tells you...

What if he uses a Mac? Solaris? HPUX? Since every OS is better than Linux, what if he uses an OS that isnt Linux? Why cant you Lunatix accept your wholesale rejection with good grace and stop imagining threats behind every comment posted on the web? Not too many people know what Linux is, you know, and fewer still care.

No joke (5.00 / 2) (#12)
by seventypercent on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:35:11 AM PST
In this time of war and economic uncertainty, I'd rather throw my support behind an American company than give it to European socialists. I'm doing my part to help the country. You, in turn, are doing your part to help ... Finland, I guess. Very well. Your purchase of a Linux CD at "cheapbytes" has financed another burning barrel of trash for the street corners of Helsinki. Bravo, my good chap.

I guess red blooded patriots like blue screens and crashing pc's...oh well...more power to you...

Have you even tried using Windows XP, or do you just blindly swallow the garbage that the kids at Slashdot trowl out? Windows XP does not crash, and in fact cannot crash by virtue of its driver mechanism and VM implementation. But don't let facts interfere with all of your anti-American vitriol ...

Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

"I'm doing my part to help the country." (none / 0) (#35)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:50:47 PM PST

-posted from linux/ppc.

linux. (none / 0) (#43)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 05:48:05 AM PST
Is cheapbytes owned by Finns now?

>financed another burning barrel of trash

ironic since they're all greens and assorted anti-air-pollution weirdos. seriously though, shouldn't i support US linux companies because their os-in-trade was initially developed by a finn?

Hoho (none / 0) (#55)
by phocuz on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 03:21:23 AM PST
I tried windows xp, and it crashed 27 times in 9 days. Of course, I was testing it to see, and you cant expect it to function with all programs, but when it crashed 3 times in a row when i was using a microsoft program (GameVoice) I thought it might be time to change system...

I fail to see why buying linux would finance another burning barrel of trash in Helsinki. Just because you might live in the streets doesnt mean everyone does.

red. (none / 0) (#62)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 11:06:14 PM PST
isn't it ironic that "red" is a communist color? freudian slip, seventypercent? :p

I'd rather throw my support behind a _real_ american company like IBM (think -- Big Blue, and blue is the color of the right half of the political spectrum). If IBM supports linux then I support linux.

cowards hide behind companys (none / 0) (#90)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Feb 5th, 2002 at 01:21:35 PM PST
brave men stand alone in fact ur a commi bastard ur self i bet u asked someone for help or helped someone... even christiany is a sign for compasion/communism caring for others what BS is that. Having issues with gays eitehr ur a weak one that doesnt deserve to live if u cant kill em the conclusion is that u got the brain of an communist (ur idea of communist) and the fact that u cant live on ur own makes me laugh your lies are not to beleive unless the lies fits a fantasy world where the katars where satanists

What about George Washington then? (none / 0) (#17)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:41:42 PM PST
Wouldnt you call him a good american? There are mails in which he states to his gardener that the hemp he grew were to be seperated, male and female seeds. The only reason to do this is if you want to smoke marijuana, since only the female part of it contains THC, which is the active substance that makes you stoned.

To further prove your ignorance you also confuse Star Trek with Star Wars. Star Trek is the cute sf-series in which deus ex machina is used almost all the time, whereas Star Wars is the epical space opera.

Furthermore I think you see too simply on things. Just because communists force their idea of how things should be on people, doesnt mean others doesnt also. Your article has proven you to a prejudice and simpleminded person, as too many people are nowadays, unfortunately especially so in the US.

Maybe you should find a hobby, like gardening, instead of polluting the web with stupid rants about communist conspiracies.

Ignorance can be cured -- but stupid is forever.

Is this post legal in the US? (none / 0) (#21)
by Adam Rightmann on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:49:42 PM PST
I seem to recall a big hullaboo on Slashdot about an upcoming bill that would make discussing how to manufacture illegal drugs on the web illegal. This posts certainly seems to cross that line.

Editors, should this be removed?

A. Rightmann

If it is upcoming... (none / 0) (#53)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 03:13:05 AM PST
then it is not illegal yet.

Oh, we do love censorship dont we? If we just ban everyone, with a different point of view from ours, from speaking, then this wold will be perfect! Let us gag all non-christians so that they cant spread their unholy ideas of 'freedom of speech' and other communist ideas.

"freedom of speech" (none / 0) (#61)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 11:03:22 PM PST
"freedom of speech" is not a communist idea. One of the principal tenets
of communism is that independent thought is an arbitrary product of
cultural influence, which can be `re-educated' away (hence gulags etc).
Freedom of speech is a right-of-centre concept (although in all fairness,
freedom of expression is more to do with democracy than any political
ideals -- i can think of right- and left- wing regimes that shut up their

Sorry (5.00 / 1) (#22)
by seventypercent on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:59:03 PM PST
To further prove your ignorance you also confuse Star Trek with Star Wars.

Yes, I obviously meant Star Wars instead of Star Trek. I noticed this about 0.0001 seconds after I hit the "Post" button.

Star Trek is the cute sf-series in which deus ex machina is used almost all the time, whereas Star Wars is the epical space opera.

Oh, and I suppose having the Millenium Falcon conveniently swoop in from out of nowhere to resolve the long and convoluted Death Star trench battle is not deus ex machina? What would you call it? "Hans ex machina?"

Red-blooded patriots do not use Linux.

Well... (none / 0) (#51)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 03:05:49 AM PST
Han showing up is a little too convenient, but Star Trek is constantly using "newly discovered natural phenomena" and inventions that pop out of nowhere.

watch your assumptions (4.00 / 1) (#23)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 01:23:06 PM PST
To further prove your ignorance you also confuse Star Trek with Star Wars.

Anyone who confuses Star Trek with Star Wars cannot be ignorant because at a minimum they have spent their time doing something worthwhile instead of wasting it, by definition, learning to distinguish the two (all) varieties of vapid (by definition) geek culture.

Your article has proven you to a prejudice and simpleminded person

You were saying?

Gah (none / 0) (#52)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 03:09:32 AM PST
Do you know the maning of the word 'ignorance'?
Ignorance is lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified. Since issue was Stark Trek and Star Wars, obviously this person was ignorant of what he was talking about.

You must have failed to see the irony in my finishing sentence. Im so sorry, from now on I will state all things clearly for you to understand them. =)

Stupid rants (none / 0) (#29)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 03:13:57 PM PST
There are no such thing as "male and female seeds". Seeds are asexual. Your argument is a house of cards. This flaw indicates that the letter to which you are referring was a fabrication, as many of the words placed in the mouths of the founding fathers are. Furthermore, even if there was a difference between male and female seeds, can you really be certain that there is no legitimate reason to seperate them? You don't strike me as much of a horticulturalist. Please treat this sort of apocrypha with a little more scepticism in the future. You're a disgrace to liberatarians everywhere.

Now lets see... (none / 0) (#54)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 03:16:48 AM PST
... i seem to have made e typo. The male and female seeds both do produce cannabis with thc, but the general population (at least those interested in growing) most often think only female seeds grow good weed.

Read this, and learn something about what you are talking:

I didn't have time to read the whole page (none / 0) (#68)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 12:53:53 AM PST
How does that page explain how Washington planned to distinguish male from female seeds? I'm afraid I read the whole thing in about ten seconds, but in none of those seconds did I see any information on this subject, which would be rather essential to seperating male seeds from female. Perhaps George was stoned when he made the suggestion? Is that what you were trying to illustrate? I reiterate my earlier statements of scepticism, and offer the suggestion that all the liberalist propaganda about the founding fathers' cannabinoidal proclivities is nothing but opportunistic revisionist bullshit. It's a beautiful fiction for teenage potheads, but quite dubious in the harsh light of more adult analysis.

jar jar a commie? (none / 0) (#59)
by philipm on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 09:52:26 PM PST
I want to know once and for all. Is jar-jar binks a commie?

This is my well defined position on communism and on saying you belong to a "party":

a quote: "Why is it that when you elect representatives to the congress they vote and lie (i.e. make speeches) in the manner which some unelected party head tells them to vote and lie? Why can't they think for themselves? What is this "political party" thing anyway? Just gives them lots of beer and hookers so it can be a real party. Give the men naked pictures of feminists, give the women naked pictures of sexists, and lock the femenists and sexists naked in a closet together. Now that's my idea of congress!"


Yes..yes it does. (1.33 / 3) (#6)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:11:29 AM PST
I wonder sometimes if people actually believe the things they write, or if they are just very suttle trolls that somehow managed to make their way onto the front page.

Scary. There are some really stupid people out and about these days...fortunately they have tended to make themselves more noticable since the 11th...making them much easier to avoid.

stop killing us with libertarian kindness (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:12:45 AM PST
the basis of that is to let each man decide for himself how he wants to live his life

What if I decide to live like a millionaire but circumstances force me, one of the majority of people in libertopia, to live without adequate food, shelter and medical care? Seems to me libertarians have decided for me that nothing can be done for me. And just as libertarians have decided rugged individualism in a purely dog eat dog capitalist society is the best of all possible worlds for all possible personalities, communists have decided everyone is a selfless, altruistic individual who doesnt want to acquire anything without sharing it.

I have a hard time believing you (5.00 / 1) (#11)
by Hammurabi on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:32:19 AM PST
Typically, people are capable of spelling the name of the political party to which they belong, even if they can't spell the others.

Furthermore, if you were actually a "liberatarian," (though I'm sure you're just claiming that to get on good standing with the venerable mr. Percent) surely you'd take the party's goals more seriously. Your mission is to fight the spread of government, and this man is a threat to your mission. And yet still would you say, 'let the man live how he wants,' even though what he wants is to expand the government until it covers every aspect of life, if you were a libertarian? Certainly not! You would want to fight! This story should have reduced you to fit of rage!

It's clear to me that you are no sort of libertarian at all. Now, why don't we be a bit more honest about our political standing so that we can discuss these issues openly, hmmm?

Only the most dangerous and hardened of criminals attempts to blame the law when he is the one who broke it.

Are you now, or have you ever been... (5.00 / 2) (#9)
by zikzak on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:16:41 AM PST
Like all decent, God fearing USians, I seriously resent the way the loony left has managed to demonize people like Joe McCarthy and apply historical revisionism to the Red Scare, making it sound like it was a bad thing. Thankfully, there are still steps one can take, provided you live in a decent state. As long as you're not trapped in some degenerate, bohemian state like Oregon, or worse - the Commonwealth (!) of Massachusettes - you do have an effective means of getting rid of your problem.

You do need to go to the HR person, but not to discuss the things you mention. Rather, you should tell HR that your Pinko co-worker has been floating ideas about organizing a union. Provided that you reside and work in one of the last bastions of Capitalism, say Texas or Idaho, I can absolutely assure you that Mr. Bleeding Heart will be back on the streets in a matter of days.

Now you may have some qualms about what is technically "lying" to HR, as any good Christian who knows his 10 Commandments would. But are you really bearing false witness? I don't think so. Let's face it, the only reason this person hasn't yet done what you are going to accuse him of is that he hasn't been working there long enough to smuggle in a few of his fellow Leftivists for support.

If you don't stop him now then it is only a matter of time before your paycheck has another damned deduction going to some no-good Liberal plot designed solely to rob decent, working people of their hard earned income. I'm not willing to let my country degrade into a land of bread lines and socialized medicine. Are you?

Patriotism Forever! (none / 0) (#49)
by SpaceGhoti on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 07:12:01 PM PST
I seriously resent the way the loony left has managed to demonize people like Joe McCarthy and apply historical revisionism to the Red Scare, making it sound like it was a bad thing.

Absolutely! People just don't appreciate what's good for them! It's like saying the Salem witch hunts were merely hysterical drumhead courts! You never know what sort of insidious thoughts or behavior is going on behind eyes and doors. You have to put the fear of fire into people to keep them on the path of the straight and narrow! Who cares if the Communists haven't been popular in the US since the 1920's? It requires constant vigilance and surveillance to ensure the correct amount of patriotism and nationalistic thinking in each and every one of our freedom-loving citizens. Get rid of those Communist ideals and outlaw deviant behavior so people can get on with State-approved freedoms!

And by the way, I know what you're doing in that room there with those toys. Your mother would not approve. Better stop doing that.

A troll's true colors.

OK... (none / 0) (#13)
by Wiggy on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:01:20 PM PST
Fine, I'll bite... it's been a while since I replied to a troll....

OK, let's just take one little piece of your rant:

"he has the unmitigated gall to spit on the principles that the nation was founded upon"

That's all we need. Everything else was badly written troll. In fact, you're pretty crap at writing these stories aren't you?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the founding principles were supposed to be all about freedom of expression and belief. This guy states a belief, and you decide that he is anti-US. I suggest that it is in fact you, yourself, who is wholly not USian - you are a disgrace to your nation.

Of course, there are plenty of reasons as to why you have such a strong feeling towards this person, even though those feelings are the reason why the US was founded in the face of the Catholic Church 'locking down' on Europe. It's common knowledge that Communists have larger penises and are better lovers than normal 'capitalist' Americans - perhaps you're jealous? In addition, this guy actually donates money to charities and shows genuine christian spirit - think parable of the Good Samaritan. Perhaps you realise you're not a very good Christian, and here is a man who is almost certainly going to be granted eternal salvation.

In addition, perhaps you've realised that the founding principles are a load of shit - perhaps, just maybe, you want to carry a gun because you want to kill people and for no other reason. Perhaps you have decided that the only sort of free speech you want, is your type of free speech. Perhaps the only people who should have a politcal voice are people like you - then the US becomes even MORE like Europe in the 17th century. Perhaps you want the whole world to revolve around you, and you're not going to stop until it is.

Fantastic. Go for it. I can't wait to see the fallout. I want to be there on the day when you sit down and realise what it is you have become.

Insane (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Right Hand Man on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 01:41:20 PM PST
At the risk of my comment being deleted along with the parent post, I will voice a rebuttal.

So your argument is, essentially, that, in the name of Free Speech, Americans should stand idly by and watch as a person or persons uses a freedom given to them by the Constitution to completely destroy the American way of life and replace it with a regime that would not only restrict free press, but trample over the entire Bill of Rights? This is a typical leftist rant. Of course we want to muzzle the Communists, that may be what prevents us all from becoming a group of godless, unarmed, goose-stepping, wall bulding, collectivist drunkards!

I also take issue with the fact that you, for no obvious reason, attempt to bring the Second Amendment into your argument. The principles upon which America was founded provide any decent person with the right to bear arms for any reason, even if it is "because you want to kill people and for no other reason". I myself carry a handgun at all times expressly for the purpose of killing a person if the need arises. As is typical of those who wish to repress the freedoms of others, you seek to first disarm them. Be aware that Americans will fight tooth and nail to defend themselves, whether the threat originates from the mouths of subversive Communists or at the hands of an unscrupulous criminal.

"Keep your bible open and your powder dry."

don't worry... (none / 0) (#37)
by error27 on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 12:26:11 AM PST
>>At the risk of my comment being deleted along with the parent post, I will voice a rebuttal.

When "troll posts" are deleted, I believe the replies are preserved.

I do agree with you that the parent post should probably be deleted. It is not only offensive, and anti-American but also incoherent and illogical.

*sigh* (none / 0) (#41)
by Wiggy on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 04:20:54 AM PST
OK, fine. I'll agree with you, if you can explain to me exactly how donating money to non-church organisations, and voting for Al Gore made this person guilty of using 'a freedom given to them by the Constitution to completely destroy the American way of life and replace it with a regime [sic] that would not only restrict free press, but trample over the entire Bill of Rights...'

The key points here are:

1. This person is not a Communist. In the UK he would be called a Liberal Democrat - in other words, people should be able to live their lives as they wish, and he is in a position to help out those less fortunate than himself

2. Communism is not evil. It's impractical. There is a significant difference. Do you know the difference between Socialism and Communism? Did you know that France is officially a Socialist state? Did you know that the idea of re-distribution of wealth is entrenched in various religions - christianity, judaism and islam all have traditions in place for people to help those less fortunate than themselves.

You see, the problem here, is that you really believe that YOUR politics are right, and everybody else's are wrong. What you should understand is that debate about politics should be encouraged. If you opened your mind to that, you would agree - communism is not evil, just impractical. It's been tried and tested, and shown not to work due to the inherent greed of man corrupting the system at some level. That doesn't mean that it's going to take over the world. You need to forget about those nasty 1950's propoganda films about 'The Domino Effect' and just accept some people have different ideas about how to live their life than you do.

Anyway... let's see you show how this guy is going to cause the downfall of America.

I was going to question you on your gun-carrying habit, but realise that if you want to carry a lethal weapon that one day will end up getting you into trouble, that's upto you.

Eh (none / 0) (#45)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 07:02:54 AM PST
Communism is not evil. It's impractical. There is a significant difference. Do you know the difference between Socialism and Communism? Did you know that France is officially a Socialist state?

Communism is not impractical. I don't know where you get this idea. Commsunism has never been tried out. Seventypercent is raging against deformed workers states, Stalinism, Maoism and the like. These states have nothing in common with communism.

The big problem for Communism is that it has only been tried once. In Russia in 1917, there were a few years where communism stood a chance, and it performed very well considering. But, Socialism requires an advanced capitalist state to have a revolution in and take to a new level, and backwards Russia did not provide that. It also had 21 armies of foreign agression and the ravages of WWI to deal with. Communism in Russia was always doomed, and turned to stalinism. Unfortunately every other implementation of 'communism' has in fact been a Stalinist dictatorial system. This is because the USSR was seen as a model, and used it's influence to try and destroy Socialism. Every major state has had a power structure that has vehemently tried to destroy communism. Communism was attacked from both sides during the Cold War. What are they so scared of? Cuba is not communist, nor is China, North Korea, or anywhere. These places are blasphemies.

BTW, France is not remotely Socialist. It is just another capitalist state. What is socialism? Socialism is the common and democratic ownership of the means of production. France may have some despicable left reformist governments from time to time, but it most definitely is not socialist, nomatter what these reformists might say.

Seventypercent doesn't seem to hate communism at all. He hates dictatorial, deformed, totalitarian states, for sure, but every man of moral values should. He also associates the left reformists with such dictatorial tendencies (the Democrats), and evidence would tend to back him up, left reformist governments such as 'New labour' in the UK and the Liberal Democrats have notably authoritarian, nannyish characteristics.

Communism has nothing to do with the butchering Stalinists or stupid 'Democrats' (hah!). And nor does socialism.

I take issue (none / 0) (#75)
by nathan on Mon Nov 26th, 2001 at 08:09:47 AM PST
with you comment about deformed worker's states. You are obviously a Fourth International sympathizer, who ought to be butchered like Trotsky (ie, in Mexico, with an axe. Or was it a ski? Whatever.)

The term is state capitalism. Get with the program, tovarish.

Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

I believe ol' Leon was... (none / 0) (#76)
by hauntedattics on Mon Nov 26th, 2001 at 10:41:33 AM PST
offed with an icepick.

nonono (none / 0) (#77)
by nathan on Mon Nov 26th, 2001 at 06:42:32 PM PST
It was actually an axe, but they airbrushed it out in the photo.

Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

Kudos! (none / 0) (#79)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:58:40 PM PST
Finally someone on this thread who understands that communism has not really been tried. I have yet to see anyone post an example of real communism NOT working. Communism is simply a new way of looking at how things might work. I agree that, in the end, it would be incredibly difficult to set up, but if it were tried, it could solve a whole lot of problems. Read Walden II for an example of how life could be if everything went perfectly. There would be an enormous number of changes that would scare the pants off of most staunch conservatives, but the American Revolution did the same thing to all of the "right-thinking" monarchistic Englishmen of the time. The world was even sure that the American experiment would fail within a few years, but today it is one of the youngest and yet most powerful nations in the world. Perhaps Communism/Socialism is the next step toward a peaceful society where happiness is maximized and suffering minimized. You must try it to find out.

Ok (none / 0) (#70)
by Right Hand Man on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 01:01:24 PM PST
The two examples you cited do not make the man a commie. Of course you left out the most damning evidence, but regardless, when one considers the aggregate evidence against him the guy is obviously red to the core. Funny that you would mention the UK as it does not matter a whit in the context of this discussion what the UKians would call him. Equally odd that you would try to hold up France as some great example of the wonders of communism, even though you claim it is Socialist (not Communist), and it is actually neither. Regardless, those people haven't accomplished anything of merit in quite a long time.

Why exactly would any rational person, myself included, really believe that their politics were NOT right? I mean, do you often encounter people who say things like "I'm obviously wrong about this situation but I'll persist in believing what I do despite that." Of course I think my politics are better than yours, and pretty much everyone else's now that I think about it. Thats why I hold to them instead of 'opening my mind', a phrase that you people have twisted into meaning something along the lines of 'just accept everything as OK'. Those 1950s propaganda films are one of the reasons why you are able to post your drivel on this weblog instead of standing on a corner waving the hammer and sicle.

I'm also confused as to how I could get myself into trouble by carrying a handgun. Logic seems to dictate that it would help me get out of it.

"Keep your bible open and your powder dry."

Silly. (none / 0) (#72)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 10:03:29 PM PST
I have a hard time taking anyone who spells "Christianity" with a lower-case c seriously.

At the same time, you seem to respect communism quite a bit, as you spell communism with a UpperCase-C. As any good stalinist would.

I rest my case, and discard your argument like a used jiz-rag.

Hehe (none / 0) (#78)
by phocuz on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 03:21:14 PM PST
Yeah All Hail Christ!!

Dammit, he's right! (none / 0) (#40)
by T Reginald Gibbons on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 01:38:26 AM PST
The USA is awash in Jesuitical conspiracies as it is! Are we to be flooded with even more of Loyola's twisted followers? Enough of this anti-communist ranting. Communism is the only thing that can save us from another counter-reformation.

Make your superiors know about this. (5.00 / 1) (#14)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:20:11 PM PST
But not by yourself. The FBI will be happy to take your anonymous tip, and contact your employers about this terrible situations.

One thing you should do, though: this person surely reads communist web sites at work. What you have to do is to kill two birds with one stone: you have to find out which communist web sites he frequents and his password on them (a trusty packet sniffer is your friend). Stay late one day working. When you get the chance, turn off his computer, change the IP on yours to his IP, and make a compromising post on the communist site; for example, impersonate an Afghan. Restore everything to normal. Print out the page, and fax it to the FBI as an anonymous tip. They will procure the source IP, and call your bosses about it.

Uhhhm (none / 0) (#18)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:43:12 PM PST
When you get the chance, turn off his computer, change the IP on yours to his IP, and make a compromising post on the communist site ..

Why not just use his computer?

fingerprints. (5.00 / 1) (#20)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:49:23 PM PST
You don't want your fingerprints all over that computer, which the FBI will be all over. Also, the less time you can spend by his computer, the less chances of getting caught by somebody who comes by.

Because, how do you know that mexican guy who cleans up the building at nights isn't *really* an FBI agent?

But (none / 0) (#24)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 01:29:29 PM PST
One of the steps was "turn his computer off." How are you supposed to do that without getting fingerprints all over it? After all, you'll have to handle the mouse to click to the Start menu and initiate the shutdown, and then potentially use the keyboard as well. No, if you're going to be touching the machine anyway, you might as well just do all of the posting from there. Messing with IPs gets tricky. Wipe things clean with a Kleenex when you're done. Black gloves will work too. By the time the FBI gets to the machine, the guy will have handled it enough to have wiped away all traces of your fingerprints anyway.

Pull the plug, blame the janitor. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 01:35:10 PM PST
God, your lack of imagination is disturbing. I'm not sure I feel safe with people like you in this country, if it's the likes of you that we have to count on to stop communism.

Great plan... (none / 0) (#19)
by phocuz on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:44:25 PM PST
Its not like they could easily find out, and that wouldnt be illegal at all, would it?

Hey, go buy a planeticket to another state of mind, ok?

I agree (none / 0) (#42)
by Well Adjusted Individual on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 05:25:27 AM PST
You coworker is obviously a terrorist supporter and does not deserve to be seated with us, rightous and moral americans at the table of this great democracy.

The article is very well written and is a prime example of every man's fight against the evils of communism. I say down with anything that is not truly american such as free software, liberal press and homosexuality!
-- May the lord strike down those who are not rightous.

glory be (none / 0) (#92)
by StAnthonysKidnapper on Wed Jul 17th, 2002 at 10:17:26 PM PST
right on brother. i suggest for your list of what is "not truly american" such additions as

--*anything* free, including so-called "free speech." that one was a mistake from the beginning. also anything that says "buy one get one free." don't you hate that? because you know you have to buy something to get it, so how can it be free?

--flannel shirts, pickup trucks, and all the old fat valium addicts.

--poverty, rural life. crush the poor. crush the country people. the city is just WHERE IT'S AT MAN. and if they're poor, it's their own damn fault anyways.


Ah so you admit its not wrong (none / 0) (#84)
by PotatoError on Wed Dec 5th, 2001 at 10:04:33 PM PST
Yes the only way you can convince other people about your warped view that communists are evil is to set them up for real crimes. Actually is impersonating an Afghan on a communist web site really illegal?

Your plan sucks anyway - damn stupid. You can assume that this communist site logs the posting time like most sites do. And what if your commie friend passes a security camera near that time or has proof he wasnt at his computer at that time? That way they will know he never posted it.
So guess who the FBI will suspect next. I guess that kind of stunt would quite likely land you in jail as well as losing you your job.


Your Patriotic Health (none / 0) (#16)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 12:36:56 PM PST
If you do not presently have a heart condition. You soon will. It's not good for you... to <b>hate</B> so much.

Only option (none / 0) (#30)
by SpaceGhoti on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 07:47:54 PM PST
I'm afraid your only option is to quit your job immediately. Do not pass Go and all that. Get away from that leftist pinko bastard immediately before you risk the possibility of further contamination that might somehow infect your family as well. Pack up your worldly belongings, pile the family into the station wagon and head for the hills. Entrench yourself in a mine-laden stronghold then keep your head down.

Otherwise, when the revolution hits you're going to be among the first up against the wall.

A troll's true colors.

communist? (none / 0) (#31)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 09:13:29 PM PST
With a course of a few minutes, the talk turned to politics. It was then that I learned the horrible and sordid truth about this person. He supports the Social Security, welfare, and unemployment entitlement programs. He voluntarily redistributes a portion of his income to such non-church entities as the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the ACLU, and the Red Cross. He has no problem with "gay" people. He supports the rampant federalization of airline security workers, and the general expansion of the United States government. And he voted for Al Gore (!) in the last presidental election.

How is this person a Communist? Everything this person supports makes him sound like a Democrat. Now I for one am not a supporter of Communism. It's a fairy tale ideal that might have worked centuries ago bought certainly not today. I seriously suggest that you do some serious research on Communism.

Under Communism all these things this person supports does not exist. It here people all the time talking about a Communist government, such as when they spoke of the Soviet Union of speak of China. Well these people are idiots. Why, because under Communism, there is no government.

We do not have service men and women against fighting against Social Security and Welfare or any values that he maintains. These do not exist Communism. Why? Under Communism there is no government, no Social Security or Welfare because there is no concept of money.

Social Security? I support this. Although I think IRAs are better. It seems to me that in not supporting these very things that so many Americans believe in, you may want to examine your own political beliefs.

Long live capitalist democracy!

Democrats == Communists HTH <nt> (none / 0) (#73)
by Anonymous Reader on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 10:04:40 PM PST

Or, (none / 0) (#32)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 09:31:50 PM PST
you could become a communist yourself and then the two of you would get along just fine.

This is not so far fetched. (none / 0) (#34)
by elenchos on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:36:21 PM PST

Communism is insideous. Simply being exposed to Communist propaganda can turn you into one. Direct exposure can lead to Communism in a matter of months. Indirect exposure may take longer, but the result is the same. I don't expect you are actually reading any Communist literature, but your angry obsession with your Communist co-worker is putting Communism into your head.

Yes, you are thinking anti-communist thoughts, but they are still Communist thoughts. I recommend not thinking about Communism at all. It takes effort but it's important you do it. Concentrate very hard: no thoughts about Communism. Just put it out of your head completely. Say to your self over and over, "I will not think about Communism. I will not think about Communism." When you hear Communism being discussed near you, say "La! La! La! I can't hear you!" Do it! It works.

Remember: don't think about Communism!

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

Please help with this (none / 0) (#36)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 11:55:29 PM PST
I realize that thinking non-communist thoughts in terms of their not being communist nevertheless entails consciousness of communism (as not-being), and thus leads down the slippery slope to full-blast Maoist insanity, but does thinking about thinking about not thinking about communism still qualify as thinking about communism?

Don't rule out electroshock or lobotomy. (none / 0) (#38)
by elenchos on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 12:32:41 AM PST
Millions decent people have been willing to do whatever it takes to hold back the Communist tide. If they can do it, why not you?

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

You're right. (none / 0) (#39)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 12:47:46 AM PST
I shall try trepanning myself, and see if that helps. Wish me luck, fellow American.

Dirty Filthy Commie Scum (none / 0) (#33)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Nov 21st, 2001 at 09:48:12 PM PST
The first thing you need to do is organize a secret cabal amongst your right-thinking coworkers to ostracize and isolate the offending individual. One helpful tactic is for the group to engage in loud, good-natured converstion during breaks. When the communist coworker draws near, the talk should fade into awkward silence, only to pick up again as the fellow-traveller moves away.

Next, encourage your coworkers to decorate the office in patriotic themes. Seize upon the present groundswell of patriotism to embellish your workplace with flags, red-white-and-blue ribbons, portraits of great Presidents like Washington, Jackson, and Reagan, and posters illustrating patriotic themes. The experience of having to spend each workday in a proudly pro-USA office will surely shrivel the black soul of your vile Red officemate.

Remember that communists are known to engage in acts of sabotage against decent American industries. Keeping in mind that extermism in defense of liberty is no vice, you should feel free to rifle through your leftist coworkers' workspace and belongings for evidence that he is attempting to undermine American capitalism from within.

Finally, most communists suffer from syphillitic dementia, and often hide turds in drawers. Be sure to check any cabinets or desks that your Marxist coworker has been near to be sure they have not secreted away an unpleasant surprise. Good luck in your efforts to keep your workplace free from the taint of communism.

commitage? (none / 0) (#58)
by philipm on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 09:45:02 PM PST
Its funny that you should mention sabotage - since I have seen many communists working for our fine defense establishment. Heck! The defense establishment is practically heaven for communists. There can be no better place of employment for transexual gender changing cross dressers than a defense company.

Finally, I have an awful truth to admit. I too am a communist. However, I hate social security, welfare and unemployment checks. I do not donate to the communist charities that the author mentions. I have a serious problem with gay people - I could even be one! I hate people who work hard, and I do not want the governmnet to get bigger unlike that commie George Bush. I did not vote for a liberal tree hugging hippie like Gore. Yet I am still a communist and will never be able to shed that awful taint. I just want you to know that not all of us are liberal scum.
Some of us are the KGB kind of communist

Long live Putin!


give in (4.42 / 7) (#46)
by johnny ambiguous on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 08:15:44 AM PST
...I shudder to think what might have happened if I had gotten up to use the restroom or answer the phone, leaving my family alone with this monster...

Seventypercent, Seventypercent, we've known you for a long time and it's sad to see you so distrait. It's perfectly obvious from the clues sprinkled through your hurt, angry rant, that the "communist" you are talking about is not a real, actual, physical person, distinct from yourself. No, the discerning eye clearly reads that you are describing the struggle within yourself, between the wholesome and comforting yet mindless conformity that you term "American decency" and the irresistible pull of what you secretly know to be the ghastly facts about the awful capitalists-dominated world you suffer life within:

...On the other hand, my rational side tells me that it's better for me to know the truth, no matter how horrible it is.

No, it's not some "colleague" you're mad at, hardly that; it's your own self. For when the struggle within rose up to consciousness, who did you punish? Your "co-worker"? (Come to think of it, I doubt that that "co-worker" even exists at all outside your self-exculpatory imagination.) No, you promptly took it out on the true culprit:

...On the way to my car, I kicked a trash can approximately 50 feet, spraining three toes in the process...

Look, I know how it is. It's like you're raised up all your life to believe this and then the cruel unfeeling universe thrusts under your nose the horrible realization that this is a fraud and all your life you've lived a lie and everything is topsy-turvy, upside-down, confused and backwards.

I remember a similar case, a fellow I went to high school with. Hell, everybody could see, like as though he had it tattooed on his forehead, that he was gay down to the marrow of his bones. But his father was a fundamentalist preacher and his mother was a strict disciplinarian and he was unaware of the message his every subconscious act shouted out; that he was fated from birth to love men, not women. Poor bastard even got married to a girl, and he tried his very best to make it work out. But it was not to be. Well, a few years later he suddenly had an epiphany, where he realized what his "problem" had been all along. The shame of it, combined with the clashing dissonance in his mind, drove him to the edge of distraction, and even beyond; he attempted suicide, and only the heroic desperate lunge of a policeman, who seized him at the very instant he attempted to leap off the Sunshine Skyway bridge, one hundred and forty feet above the cold, hard water of Tampa Bay...

You wouldn't imagine a story so sordid and dismal as this I've recited above could possibly have a happy ending, would you, and yet it does! For the trauma of his nervous breakdown, combined with the healthgiving respite from conscious care induced by the three-weeks-long regimen of megadose phenothiazines at the mental health clinic, brought my old classmate around to the realization: Why fight it, give in! To make a long story short, he now lives in Gulfport with his boyfriend and for the first time in a long miserable life he is relaxed, content, at peace with himself and this imperfect world. And if his aged Daddy has disinherited him of his share of the Ministry's millions, and his Mom cruelly claims he has broken her heart, is that too great a price to have paid?

Now dammitall 70%, let's compare the gravamina here. In his case we're talking about sex, the very foundation of a man's personality. And you are whining about a mere political allegiance. As though that amounts to anything, anyway. If my old classmate can weather so traumatic a revolution in his lifestyle, certainly you can manage a quick cheap jump from one political position to another, diametrically opposed. Piece of cake. Why, much more celebrated men than you have exhibited far more acrobatic political transformations, in public too.

Take the leap, 70%! Come to the left side and allow your inner struggle to evaporate. Start here. After the vast ghastly steaming swamp of intellectual swill you are no doubt accustomed to imbibing daily via the inexorable idiot box, 18th Brumaire will make your mind feel like a first bath in a month followed by a professional massage.

We on the left welcome you. First free yourself, then join us in freeing the workers of the world. Good luck, new comrade!

Yours WDK -

Getting into my Chevrolet Magic Fire, I drove slowly back to the office. - L. Rosen

Take Note (none / 0) (#47)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 12:29:53 PM PST
The above post juxtaposes communism and homosexuality. I really don't think anything further needs to be said.


Freudian analysis. (none / 0) (#50)
by tkatchev on Thu Nov 22nd, 2001 at 10:23:43 PM PST
Psychoanalysis is a fraud. Freud was an incestuous pedophile and drug addict; it is no wonder that he tried to project his own mental problems onto society. Moreover, his "theory" is based on shaky ground of hypnosis and "analysis" of cultural archetypes. There is nothing scientific about his method; in fact, if he tried to pull his stunts today, he would be run out of town as a cheating quack, and possibly incriminated with charges of sexual abuse.

But of course, if you are even the lest bit familiar with psychoanalysis, you already know all this. I'm just repeating widely-known facts for those poor people who chant Freud's name like a mantra, without actually trying to find out what he stands for.

Peace and much love...

cultural archetypes (none / 0) (#56)
by Anonymous Reader on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 01:37:18 PM PST
isn't it Jung's theory that uses cultural archetypes?

jung, freud, what's the difference? (none / 0) (#60)
by philipm on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 09:57:59 PM PST
Any kind of "analysis" can suffer from being done by the wrong person.

In this case, psychoanalysis has the distinction of having an alcoholic wife beating russian for a father.

Do you claim the rest of the human race has no problems?

Physics should not be done by physicists.


Huh? (none / 0) (#63)
by tkatchev on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 11:35:03 PM PST
I didn't understand what you were trying to get across. Try again when the Prozac starts wearing off, OK? Thanks.

Peace and much love...

oh it's tuesday - sorry (none / 0) (#65)
by philipm on Sat Nov 24th, 2001 at 08:22:04 AM PST
You're right. Tuesday was prozac day. I can not deny your excellent observation about the people around you are taking drugs.

You stated that you were offended at people who did not know the difference between freud and jung (being a classical man yourself, and classical men always know the difference) and that, furthermore, freud was a member of NAMBLA, a drug user and that, of-course, makes psychoanalysis a fraud.

I completely agree with all seven of your points. However I would like to add that the conclusion that psychoanalysis is a fraud, does not necessarily follow from freud being a fraud.

Most of the people with grand theories were frauds. If one were allowed to dismiss their work based merely on personal incompetence - then one would have very little theories to argue about.

Take for example physics - Most physicists are liars and thieves and frauds. However, is physics a fraud?
Well, yes it is, but no because of the ingrate nature of the practicioner.

One of the biggest liberal myths is that progress in physics is made by physicists and that only physicists are allowed to make that progress.


I don't agree. (none / 0) (#66)
by tkatchev on Sat Nov 24th, 2001 at 12:17:33 PM PST
"Psychoanalisys" in Freud's understanding of the word is some sort of universal way of understanding human nature. It's not a practical knowledge like, say, physics or accounting. Rather, it is a philosophy that tries to explain man's place in society and the universe.

So, Freud's own moral standing has a direct bearing on his theories. Anything he concocts is likely to be bunk, simply because he was a profoundly disturbed individual.

Peace and much love...

as if!!!!! get on the cluetrain! (none / 0) (#71)
by philipm on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 02:53:00 PM PST
Let me ask you this. You are trying to get promoted at work.

Reading a book about

1) psychoanalysis
2) physics
3) accounting

will help you achieve this goal.

Which one? Now, therefore, which one is more practical? - for a non-russian definition of practical.

Have you ever met a physicists, or, worse, a mathematician. You think their personal problems have no influence on their work?


Seek The Source of Conflict Within (none / 0) (#69)
by Inden on Sun Nov 25th, 2001 at 07:35:12 AM PST
Since something here is clearly troubling you personally - the conflict must be about you with yourself. Rationally, no one really worries to such distraction about their obligation to convert or otherwise change their co-workers political or religious viewpoints. Unless they are struggling with that viewpoint themselves and haven't come to a place of inner equilibrium.

Seek some help from a religious or lay leader who you feel has some valuable guidance to offer you in coming to grips with whatever the source of this disquiet is in your spirit.

The same problem (none / 0) (#57)
by theR on Fri Nov 23rd, 2001 at 07:02:28 PM PST
Mr. percent, I am in a situation very similar to yours, and also unsure what to do. It seems that there are Communists around every corner at my place of employment, and I am at my wits end.

Many people I work with actively wish for increases in spending by certain portions of the government, obviously due to Communism. Some also tend to believe that the government should supply them with things, such as computer equipment, paper, tape, and even pens! When I question this, they give me questioning looks and ask me why they should pay for things themselves when the government should be paying! Their nerve and boldness frighten me.

I have tried talking to supervisors, but they seem to be closet Communists, as well. They often talk about "working for the people" and how I "should be thankful to our government", as if we need more government and less individualism. I have even heard one of them say "We aren't in the business of making money -- we're in the business of spending it." Yes, it is a dangerous game they play.

So, my workplace has been quite a nightmare. I am in a quandary, as there seem to be Communists everywhere. On the other hand, the federal government has pretty good job security, so maybe I'll stay.

It's all right to cry,
Crying takes the sad out of you.

-- Rosey Grier

Surely you jest. (none / 0) (#87)
by Anonymous Reader on Tue Dec 11th, 2001 at 03:46:04 PM PST
I love the way you ignorant bigots think that anyone who agrees with and form of redistrobution of income or charity is considered communism. Then there is also the fact that for some reason you consider communists 'evil'. Tell me, you greedy stupid whores, what makes you so much better than your coworkers how have a different political opinion. You sure as hell are good Christians. Judge not lest thee be judged. Most 'Good Christians' I have seen don't even seem to know what that means.

You people sicken me. Your intolerance of other ideas and beliefs makes you no better than hitler or the KKK.

ignorant right-wingers should be shot (none / 0) (#80)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Nov 29th, 2001 at 09:16:21 PM PST
To all you right winged freaks who believe that decreasing budget spending for social programs is going to solve all of societies ills...wake up. As to you are the most ignorant person that I have ever come in contact with in my entire life. Contrary to popular belief, communism is not stalinism or is a economic system in which all people will be provided for "from each according to ability, to each according to need." How can you argue with 100% employment and no starvation? Unless you are a greedy capitalist with no morals you cannot. Try telling the next bum on the street that capitalism is the way to go asshole.
Righteous in red

Scary article (none / 0) (#81)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Dec 1st, 2001 at 11:19:58 AM PST
Whoaa.. that's a scary article to read.

What is a decent person to do when you find out that you are working with a Communist?

That's just as bad as asking what you should do if you find out there's a *gasp* black person working in the organisation.

Well, between the two of you, I'd let the so-called "communist" eat dinner with my family long before I'd let you in the door. You really have some scary ideas in your head there. I could advise you to learn some balance, try to appreciate different points of view, or to try many other things. I'll keep it to a simple concept for you, though - lighten up!

I must admit, I am perplexed. (none / 0) (#82)
by Laughing Canuck on Wed Dec 5th, 2001 at 02:51:25 PM PST
What is it about Communism that so frightens America? Although I'm not a full communist (the principles of communism rely on non-existant human attributes--namely kindness, selflessness and generosity), I consider myself a social liberal. I wonder, does the work of Karl Marx (not the distortion of it that was communist Russia) ever get taught in even the post-secondary level of education? My history teacher in high school told us that American schools won't even teach Marx's Dialectic Essay form, even though it has nothing whatsoever to do with the "Red Threat."

I wonder.

Let me do <i>my</i> spin on Communism. Communism is the closest thing to what Jesus Christ preached. Communism redistributes the wealth from those who have everything to those who have nothing. Communist governments provide food and housing for everyone out of the collective pool of wealth. Simple principles, really: place the value of the whole over the value of the individual. It's a nice picture of Utopia, where everyone helps everyone else out, no one goes hungry, and no one sleeps in a cardboard box with a half-empty bottle of potato Vodka to keep them warm.

Like all Utopias, Communism, as an ideology (note the root of this word is <i>ideal</i>) doesn't work. Not because the idea is bad, but because the people are bad. Human beings are by nature selfish, greedy, and fiercely competitive. It's how we wound up running the food chain. Communism would require a truly innovative reward system to work: one that encourages competition without creating a power dynamic (or hierarchy).

Another problem is that the nature dominant economy has changed since Marx published. We don't live in a labour-dependent society anymore--the best-paying jobs all depend on learned skills, be they social or technical. Communism is founded on the union and the labourer. It's become a relic.

That doesn't mean, however, that it has no merits, and that it shouldn't be taught as an alternate philosophy. God knows that the presence of something (anything!) other than capitalist imperialism could only do western culture a favour. Because the world can't support consummerist behaviour forever. Because it <i>is</i> getting warmer, the weather is changing, there's artifial shit blowing around on the ground, the air stinks and I still have to go through three layers of packaging (two of them non-biodegradeable plastic) to get at my food, which itself is processed and preserved until it's three chemical combinations away from being plastic.

So where does that leave Communism? Or environmentalism, for that matter? What do we do with them?

I say people need to get over their fear of the unknown. Get your nose in a book and learn what Communism was <i>supposed</i> to be before Lenin and Stalin got to it. Then, when you're done, think about it and decide if any of it would benefit your personal paradigm. And, if so, cut and paste the good (and realistic) parts of the ideology into your own. There's more to politics and ideology than Republican and Democrat, Liberal and Conservative. The world does <b>not</b> start at the western edge of the Pacific Ocean and end at the eastern side of the Atlantic. September 11th made one thing clear. Nobody exists in a vaccuum, and what happens on the other side of the planet sure as hell can effect what happens in your back yard.

Think about it.


sigh. (none / 0) (#86)
by nathan on Sat Dec 8th, 2001 at 04:52:35 PM PST
Communism is the opposite of Christianity. It's dialectical materialism - in other words, it completely denies the possibility of man's personal relationship with Christ.

Communism is great for bees and ants. It sucks for human beings. By the bye, if you think communism is not being taught, I have to ask you where you went to school. Marxists are everywhere you turn.

Sir, have you ever heard of a website named It's down at the moment, but it's normally a haven for people of your stripe.

Li'l Sis: Yo, that's a real grey area. Even by my lax standards.

if you think that he thinks like stalin.. (none / 0) (#83)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 5th, 2001 at 08:42:59 PM PST
...because he is a communist, you can say the same about you and hitler

Assuming you're a dumbass (none / 0) (#85)
by Anonymous Reader on Wed Dec 5th, 2001 at 11:31:37 PM PST
good to know you talked to the person, but apparently you live in your own little miopic world.

sometimes, fuckin often actually, people in a society need help.
as a human you a generaly under a natural tendency to help your fellow man.
so either you arn't human, or your a fucking selfious ass piece of shit.

i don't claim to support or fully understand comunism or its root, socialism, but most any informed individual will state that idealy socialism or comunism is ment to put everyone on the same level. everyone lives, everyone works, for you to complain about a communist co-worker is a clear sign that you are a lazy fuck

good job with the passive agression to, nice sign of imaturity
same with saying you kicked a trashcan 50 feet

whiney fuck get back to work

-unaffiliated american

Wow. You are insane. (none / 0) (#88)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Dec 20th, 2001 at 11:44:17 AM PST
He's liberal... so he's a communist?
Wow this site is funny.
My roomate's a transsexual communist. I ain't joking.

what!!!???????????????? (none / 0) (#89)
by Anonymous Reader on Thu Jan 3rd, 2002 at 09:24:59 AM PST
first of all, do you know the diffenece between communism and socialism?

second, do you know the difference between socialism and liberalism?

third, do you realize that donating to a nonchurch organization has nothing to do with any of the three?

and how can you care that he donates to a nonchurch organization... it shows he wants to help people... but wait, im sorry, its bad to help people if you arent doing it through the church.... im sure Our Savior would stop loving him because of that

Please shut up. Just shut up now. (none / 0) (#91)
by Anonymous Reader on Sat Jun 29th, 2002 at 10:00:11 PM PST
Because this poor man simply chooses to hold different ideals then you, he is simply inhuman. You go so far as to say that he should be fired, that he is Anti-US. Anonymous tips to the FBI were suggested by one respondant, I noticed. I sincerely hope that he was joking. He is this monster who will kill your wife and children. Or, even worse, convert them to the Dark Side! For your information, Communism never has been, and is not currently, illegal in the United States. It was illegal in one state, which one of your respondants complained about, until the year 1960. This state was (!) The Commonwealth of Massachusetts!!!!! Shock! Stalin was not Communist. Stalin used Communism as a disguise, as many Communist leaders do. Communists are not horrid people. Communists stand for euality amongst all people. Real, true equality. He voted for Gore? He ACTUALLY HAD THE GALL TO PICK THE CANDIDATE WHO WAS MORE THEN SLIGHTLY MORE INTELLIGENT THEN A BLOCK OF CHEESE? Good LORD no! Final thought: Gore won the popular vote, which, according to your specifications, makes more then half of the country Communist. Does that mean that Communism is now the American way? Therefore, you are now Anti-US! You said it yourself!


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