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Will the US get out of this clean?
Nobody gets out clean. We'll end up making things better over there, though. 50%
Nobody gets out clean. We're just going to make it worse. 50%

Votes: 6


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Oct 08, 2001

But we are dropping humantarian aid along with the bombs. That shows that we're not just out for vengance, that we're not going to fuck up like in Iraq, right?




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This is the early stages. When the media reports are still sketchy. They're trying to get the one or two reporters on the ground over there to confirm our government's word, and typically they simply have to fill the hours until confirmation with words straight from the Department of Defence.

I want to believe that we are going to do it right this time. That we're taking out their ability to fuck up out planes so that we can start airlifting troops and supplies so that we can round up the Taliban forces while we get supply lines from Pakistan sending in wave after wave of food and the Army Corps of Engineers proceeds to have a good old time building wells, roads, bridges, power plants, and everything else that would be a drop in the hat for the DoD budjet-wise and would prove that we want to make things better, nto worse.

I'm hoping, but I'm not expecting. I hear the CBS correspondent talking from a Northern Alliance field base about how the "Unified Front" is using this to their advantage. I recall what little I know about the Northern Alliance, and how they were just as cruel at the Taliban when they were in power. I wonder if Cheney and Rumsfeld are going to do it like they did in the 80's, giving the perceived "lesser evil" control rather than take the long, hard road of aid that would prove to the world that we mean it when we say that humanitarianism will be a part of this mission.

The front page of our student newspaper talked about the Peace Protests that happened yesterday. The usual suspects from the International Socialist Organization were there to the tune of 200 people. They're totally wrong, though. They're trying to say that we're doing this all for oil. Oil!?! They're being reactionaries, their signs and slogans were pre-made and they were out in less than half an hour after Bush's speech, talking about how wrong we were to commit whatever action we happened to be committing. Before a single rebuttle was said about their protests, they talked about the censure they were receiving from the "mainstream".

I sat up last night and watch Pervez Musharraf's press conference on CNN. He seemed to be very wise and contemplative with his words. The strikes should be short, the aid should be long, and the Northern Alliance should not be allowed to gain mileage from this attack. I have a feeling his words should be at the fron of the CNN website, not Rumsfeld.

So, what do I do about all this? When our action seems to be at the point where it could end up becoming another travesty or a turning point in our foreign policy. When the activist front has its head so far up its ass that there simply isn't a way one can associate it and not come off with taint of "jackass".

Right now I guess the best thing to do is hope. And pray.


You're fucked. (none / 0) (#1)
by tkatchev on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 07:55:04 AM PST
Humans have been fighting wars for as long as the human race existed. (Well, actually, a bit longer since even chimps have tribal wars.) You can't evade it -- the human society is always in a perpetual war. The fact that for the last few decades that war was not in your back yard means nothing, in the long run.

Peace and much love...

shouldn't that be "we're fucked" ? (5.00 / 1) (#2)
by TheReverand on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 08:24:40 AM PST
Or are you a dolphin with excellent typing skills?

There's a small semantic difference: (none / 0) (#4)
by tkatchev on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 09:37:15 AM PST
"We're fucked" makes me sound like a whiner.
"You're fucked" makes me sound like an asshole.

Peace and much love...

Either way, YUO=FAGOT (none / 0) (#5)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 01:25:35 PM PST

onsite and too lazy to log in.

War Games (1.00 / 1) (#3)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 08:30:54 AM PST

History Lessons (5.00 / 1) (#6)
by chloedancer on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 06:59:24 PM PST
Who else remembers the propaganda war waged as part of the strategy in Vietnam? Is it not conceivable that the humanitarian aid is simply a shot at saying "we're willing to do what your own government won't take care of on your behalf" to appeal to the hearts and minds of the average Afghani citizen? It hardly qualifies as "humanitarian aid" in my mind, but instead has the look and feel of outright bribery.

I had the fortune or misfortune, depending on how you look at it, of being in Canada when the so-called "Persian Gulf Crisis" escalated. I bought up every printed source of news I could find, only to have most of it confiscated at the border. I was told that there was a 24-hour delay re: reporting/news coverage in effect in the United States "for security reasons" and that the information contained in the various newspapers I'd rounded up had not "officially cleared" so it couldn't cross the border with me. (Ironically, one of the few things not confiscated was a news rag that featured an interesting and thought-provoking comparison of Saddam Hussein and Winston Churchhill.) I've little doubt that the same kind of thinking is behind the delay in reporting that is occurring at the present time, misinformation being the norm in these circumstances.

Are you Canadian ? (none / 0) (#7)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Oct 8th, 2001 at 07:11:40 PM PST
the information contained in the various newspapers I'd rounded up had not "officially cleared" so it couldn't cross the border with me

I simply cannot believe this. It doesn't make sense. What about the Canadian radio and tv transmissions ? Don't you have some sort of constitutional right to read what you like ?

Perhaps the customs officer made a mistake that day ?

I find that if you look at bbc, and DavidIcke.Net that you will get a somewhat more balanced view of things that you would from conventional media Canadian or otherwise.

Whether your believe or not, (none / 0) (#9)
by chloedancer on Tue Oct 9th, 2001 at 06:48:38 AM PST
it happened; the people traveling with me were equally shocked. I am a U.S. citizen. The rights of the press and the right to free speech are conditional, even here.

Shaving my head and moving to a remote mountaintop (none / 0) (#10)
by Observer on Tue Oct 9th, 2001 at 06:30:52 PM PST
It hardly qualifies as "humanitarian aid" in my mind, but instead has the look and feel of outright bribery.

I can't agree with you more. Bush seems as though he's still campaigning with many of his actions, this included. If you could only hear my frustrated mumbling about self-serving corporate interests invading government and ensuing dystopia...

This was quite a surprise when I first read it, but I have no problem with the overwhelming likelihood. Are there any sites or periodicals with information regarding this?

Unfortunate mental image (5.00 / 1) (#8)
by Merekat on Tue Oct 9th, 2001 at 02:27:13 AM PST
When I first read about dropping humanitarian aid along with bombs, I thought it was an unusual form of cruelty - starving Afghans staring up at the sky playing a risky guessing game:

'Is it? Is it food? It has to be this time. Oh shit, no! Run!'

Blame it on sleep deprivation, if you wish.


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