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What should my next diary entry be about?
dysfunctional family relationship 0%
Unix 0%
Troublemint (and why I can't send email to 7%
hentai 15%
my miserable time in high school 23%
meta-commentary (we love this, don't we?) 7%
Why Windows XP and the X-Box sucks (even though I've never used either) 7%
my interpretations of various parts of the New Testament 38%

Votes: 13

 IRC; an internet wasteland?

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Oct 27, 2001
OK, now I know most of you could probably care less about this, but I personally find this rather irritating.

So I go into a channel on the undernet, #arizona, and I'm idling, right? So out of the blue, someone decides to insult me. For no reason. I wish people weren't bigger assholes than me.


More diaries by Frithiof
Crackdown on Terrorism in the USA?
It seems I have a cavity, amongst other things...
How should I define myself?
Semi-yummy Food
Why I am mentally defective and should be shunned in public
What is the Matrix?
It happened AGAIN...
The sad truth...
Because I got bored...
I bought a cd today
I hate commies...
Turning Unix into Windows
Are we safe?
And as another day ends...
19:38:24 <Swedechik> ript, that's what woody said...she said i wasn't invited
19:38:28 <SabreWulf> and a woman walked out the toilet
19:38:32 <Bauxboi> ript can ya tell ducky that im at corrys and we will be there in a bit
19:38:35 <StickHer> but........
19:38:38 <SabreWulf> rofl
19:38:38 <ript> fuck woody, ur invited
19:38:38 --- Bauxboi is now known as gidgy
19:38:38 <ript> hehe
19:38:42 <ript> k gidgy
19:38:48 <gidgy> ty
19:38:54 <SabreWulf> god damn what a LOSER
19:39:09 <StickHer> who?
19:39:14 (Frith) Swedechik: you weren't invited? :(
19:39:16 <-- Klowie has quit (Ping timeout)<BR> 19:39:20 <SabreWulf> his movie.. animal
19:39:31 (Swedechik) frith, woody was being sarcastic
19:39:34 --> PrftAngel (Sweet_Inno@ has joined #arizona
19:39:37 <JoyBuzzer> [PrftAngel] As perfect an angel as I need to be...
19:39:47 <ript> everyone but fagboy file stealer is invited
19:39:47 (SabreWulf) is frith playing with a full deck? where did this come from?
19:39:50 <ript> come on PrftAngel, get up here
19:39:55 <PrftAngel> lol, hey ript
19:39:58 (Frith) SabreWulf: hush it

perhaps the fact that I'm actually posting about this is the clearest indication of all that I need a life. then again, at least it doesn't have any of that Godawful meta-commentary.


ah... (none / 0) (#1)
by Frithiof on Sat Oct 27th, 2001 at 10:32:00 PM PST
just had a word with the guy. apparently, he based his opinions on the 5 previous sentences (small nonsensical comments) I'd made in the channel (as replies to other folks' comments) over a 2 hour period.

it makes me feel so warm inside to know that people can be so utterly vacuous and shallow when it comes to dealing with others.

on the plus side, it does give me another excuse to be anti-social.


I remember... (none / 0) (#3)
by Frithiof on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 03:52:52 PM PST
how as a freshman, back in high school, people would actually come up to me in the library while I was doing my homework and punch me in the back of the head. for no reason whatsoever. completely unprovoked. or they would snatch up my backpack, dump the contents all over the floor, and they would laugh, like it was the funniest thing in the world.

why do assholes seem to gravitate towards me? do I seem to have an attitude that just says "victimize me"? bah... >:(

and people wonder why I'm so depressed/touchy over things...


I know! (none / 0) (#8)
by egg troll on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 11:33:54 PM PST
why do assholes seem to gravitate towards me?
Someone put a sign on your back that said, "I love assholes!" I took it off you this afternoon. Life should go easier for you now.

Posting for the love of the baby Jesus....

heh... (none / 0) (#9)
by Frithiof on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 11:36:06 PM PST
thanks :)


Hey Frith... (none / 0) (#24)
by hauntedattics on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 06:03:04 PM PST
Think of it this way. If people didn't torment you in high school, you would have no material for your upcoming bestseller, your kickass TV show, your blockbuster feature film, or adequacy.

You ARE writing your bestseller and your film and TV scripts, right?

Alternatively, if people didn't tease the crap out of you in high school, where would your motivation to succeed come from? Don't you want to go back to your reunion in 10 years and laugh in the faces of those poorer, less successful, already twice-divorced losers who biffed you in the head freshman year? Otherwise, you'd have to get your motivation from somewhere else, which is much harder.

And, let's face it, people are assholes because they can be. Didn't you ever see (uh-oh, dating myself) "Heathers"?

Anyway, my advice (for what it's worth) is to channel all this energy you have into incredibly lucrative and fulfilling creative endeavors. And at least one good adequacy article that we can all have a shot at. Good luck, my friend.

yea, I see your point... (none / 0) (#29)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 03:31:20 PM PST
and Jesus, there's a lot of people online right now reading Adequacy...(kinda makes me wish I'd written and submitted that article already)...or for some bizarre reason someone configured my account to let me see everyone who's registered.


Probably your parents fault. (none / 0) (#25)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 07:42:45 PM PST
Did your parents teach you that violence and fighting was wrong ? And to ignore the bullies ?

What you should have done was strike back with devastating force the first time anyone picked on you. They would then have gone on to look for a weaker target. Which solves the problem for you, but not for society.

And to be honest, kids are basically savages and the law of the jungle prevails.

bleah (none / 0) (#2)
by elby on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 04:33:23 AM PST
is still broken.


dunno... (none / 0) (#4)
by Frithiof on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 03:57:38 PM PST
I tried to send something from my bsdmail addy awhile ago, and it was rejected (if you find it somewhere in the logs, please send it on to the intended recipient and/or delete it).

I guess I'll try again later...


Seems to be working. (none / 0) (#5)
by TheReverand on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 04:12:32 PM PST
Send away. lb did you need something? Or are you whining about me again?

new testament!!! (none / 0) (#6)
by TheReverand on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 04:13:44 PM PST
hoo yeah. Let's GET IT ON!

I'm working on something... (none / 0) (#7)
by Frithiof on Sun Oct 28th, 2001 at 11:27:00 PM PST
I just have to make sure it's consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church.

On an unrelated note, is it just me, or am I the only one who finds something disturbing about the way children find themselves fit to harass and disrupt the lives of those who do not fit their limited concept of 'normalcy'? I'm sure that the people who picked on me in high school assumed a number of things about me; I wasn't a social-butterfly, so I must have been retarded, I didn't speak much, so I must not have been able to understand english, and I didn't strike back at people when they hit me, so I must have been weak and uncoordinated. Of course, they could've just been picking on me in order to get a reaction out of me, but it still didn't do much for my self-esteem, which is currently in shambles.

I sometimes wonder whether humans are inherently good, and make bad decisions out of ignorance, or whether people are inherently wicked, and only do good things when pressured to do so.


This topic cries out for coverage. (none / 0) (#10)
by elenchos on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 12:24:02 AM PST
Why hasn't anyone written anything about the plight of non-social-butterflies? I've often suspected that it is true that there are some kids who get picked on more than other kids. You have to be paying attention to detect this pattern, but I really think it's there. While certain types hardly get an crap at all, this other minority seems to get more than their fair share.

My theory is that this minoity is indeed percieved as "different" in some way. But WHAT way? Huh? And what's it like to be one of those kids? I've sometimes thought that it could even leave some sort of emotional scars, you know?

I know I'm just speculating here and that's why some data needs to be collected. Are there any others like you? Maybe a series of articles could be written soliciting their input. We could gather together many such experiences and share them. I think it would be a very, very healthy and productive exercise.

What's missing is a web log that has the courage to do it. It's new ground, uncharted territory. Who will go first?

I say ADEQUACY.ORG should do it! Are you with me?

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

well, (none / 0) (#11)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 12:52:58 AM PST
I'm not really sure whether this is bait or not, but it's certainly a tempting idea.

The only problem is that since I'm not a social-butterfly, I haven't exactly encountered too many folks like me; perhaps some of them, upon reading this, will feel compelled to write me a letter and tell me about their experiences ( so that I (or a number of people) can write a few articles about this. While I'm sure there are more important things that *could* be discussed, I think the human aspect of this might draw in more readers (of the repressed geek variety).


Yes, it's bait. (none / 0) (#12)
by elenchos on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 01:21:07 AM PST
I'm trying to trick you into soliciting stories about being socially ostracized for being "different". My motivation for setting this trap is because I think the topic is under-reported, and now is an opportunity to break it wide open.

You're right that there is a problem of isolation. These are the very people who don't network, so they need an unconventional means of discovering each other. What means? The internet!

What part of the internet? The part!

Darn, you caught me. I would have worked too. Hundreds would have posted their own hellish experiences in reply to yours. It would have been huge. Sigh.

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

one can only hope... (none / 0) (#13)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 01:37:54 AM PST
I'll see about whipping up an article sometime this week... how many words are needed? 1200+?

and do I need to stuff 200 urls in it? :|


My stories never have any links. (none / 0) (#14)
by elenchos on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 01:48:44 AM PST
But in my case, I don't need them. I have authority. People believe me just because of the name elenchos®. It's a branding thing.

The word count doesn't matter. It just has to be good. Write 3000 words, then edit it down to the very best 1500. That would be a good piece of writing.

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

ok, (none / 0) (#15)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 02:01:33 AM PST
I'll give it a shot.


In my small school (none / 0) (#16)
by error27 on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 04:28:08 AM PST
I was in a class of 9 and sometimes I was the person who was picked on.

But mostly it was this other guy who we picked on. We called him "doa-gees." We thought we were so darned witty. :)

I should feel really quilty for picking on him but the truth is that the masses demand a scape-goat. If it wasn't him being picked on it might have been me. Far better he than I.

That has been my rule throughout life and it has served me well. If I met Frithiof on IRC I would say something like, "Ha Ha! You are so dumb and uggly! You are a wussie Mac/Windows/Linux user! Har Har Har."

Then I would kick-ban him. Sorry Frith but it's a tough world and I have to look out for my own skin.

This is a view worth considering. (none / 0) (#17)
by elenchos on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 04:44:47 AM PST
Just how valuable is a scape-goat to a society? Perhaps no healthy society can do without a minority class that suffers at the hands of the rest. Maybe their cruelty is best channeled in a stable direction. Maybe those chosen to suffer would be even worse off if they lacked the role, wretched though it is, that they are given in life.

Perhaps you are doing the "nerds" and "dweebs" a favor by knocking them around. Who would want them at all if they didn't have that use?

Excellent points, all. This should for sure be investigated at length.

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

I wouldn't go that far (none / 0) (#18)
by error27 on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 04:53:28 AM PST
Perhaps you are doing the "nerds" and "dweebs" a favor by knocking them around. Who would want them at all if they didn't have that use?

I think that it is a bad experience for them to be kicked around. If they weren't beaten up every day, they would probably be happier.

But in this case the needs of the many supersedes the needs of the few.

It would be nice to imagine that the few didn't have any needs but that's a dishonest approach. The few have needs as well. But *shrug* that's just the way it goes. You can't always get what you need.

hrm... (none / 0) (#22)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 02:43:54 PM PST
Just how valuable is a scape-goat to a society? Perhaps no healthy society can do without a minority class that suffers at the hands of the rest.

I wonder why so many scholars bothered writing things like the Torahs, the New Testament, and other religious texts that try to discourage people from treating their neighbors like shit. It's really something to think about.


The Torah sez... (none / 0) (#27)
by elenchos on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 08:22:33 PM PST
...Kill your unclean infidel neighbors. Kill the men, then go and kill all the women, and all children. Then, once you've done that, kill all their animals and burn their crops too. Salt the earth they trod and leave no stone atop another in their cities.

Where do you get all this crap about being nice? That only applies to your close relatives and members of your tribe or sect. Even those below your social class don't deserve much beyond letting them pick clean the leftovers of your harvested fields. Clearly, scripture gives us an excellent model for abusing those who are "differnet." (Your side also has support in the Torah too, but I'll let you try to guess where it is before I tell you. How come Christians care so little to learn about their own supposedly important religion?)

Which Torah are you reading? And don't get me started on the New Testament...

I do, I do, I do
--Bikini Kill

Actually, (none / 0) (#19)
by tkatchev on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 05:59:18 AM PST have been trolled. I don't think those kids harbored any ill-will towards you, but they sure seemed to milk you for their share of cheap laughs.

Peace and much love...

I'm sure a few of them did... (none / 0) (#21)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 02:35:27 PM PST
but *why* do people do this? and how were they to know that I wouldn't get pissed off one day, bring a bunch of guns to school, and start killing people?

I'm quite sure that just about all of the kids who did things like that were picked on continuously and in a rather brutal manner... and for what reason, really? To satisfy some loser's low self-esteem? For laughs? To gain popularity in a group that thrives on destroying that which is, to them, weak? (I can't help but wonder if these are the same people who rape girls when they've had one too many beers). Perhaps I am missing something here... all the reasons given here to explain away their actions are no real reasons at all. You might as well say that I ought to push some kid in the mud because it's funny, or that I should take advantage of a girl because she's drunk and can't fend for herself properly. More or less, you're saying that I should ruin someone else's life simply because I can.

Whether or not elenchos was 'trolling' my post, looking for attention, I still think this would make for a fairly interesting topic of discussion in an article. The voices of the oppressed must be heard!

to be honest, I just haven't seen too many articles on popular websites such as Adequacy, /., or Kuro5hin discussing the plight of the perpetually ridiculed (I've seen a few on the SomethingAwful forums, but that's something else).


Absolutely right... (none / 0) (#23)
by nx01 on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 04:51:24 PM PST
The JonKatz stories "Tales from the Hellmouth", "More tales from the Hellmouth", "The Post-Hellmouth Society", "Hellmouth: The Hellmouth", "The Revenge of the Hellmouth" and "The Hellmouth Strikes Back" notwithstanding.

"Every time I look at the X window system, it's so fucking stupid; and part of me feels responsible for the worst parts of it."
-- James Gosling

I think you forgot (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Anonymous Reader on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 07:57:56 PM PST
"The Phantom Hellmouth", "The Return to the Planet of the Hellmouth", "Hellmouth 2000" "The Hellmouth saga of Hellmouth", "Geeks, Columbine, Geeks and Hellmouth (and Geeks)", and the ever-popular "Hellmouth, Hellmouth, Hellmouth, Hellmouth, bacon and Hellmouth"

Just for the sake of completeness, you understand.

what? (none / 0) (#28)
by Frithiof on Mon Oct 29th, 2001 at 03:26:48 PM PST



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