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'Tax and Spend' This!
My Country Right or Farther Right! 0%
Ronald Reagan Did *NOT* Have Alzheimer's and SO WHAT if he DID? 50%
"Everyone has their part to do for the homeland." - Homeland Security Chief Ridge 0%
USA ! USA ! #1 #1 #1 ! {repeat a million times until unconscious, preferably while drinking bad beer} 50%

Votes: 2

 Here's Some More Meat for You SFB Vultures! Enjoy!

 Author:  Topic:  Posted:
Oct 18, 2001
Since it continues to be a popular pastime here for the ignorant to feel empowered to passionately display their unwillingness to think for themselves by expressing any new ideas of their own, I feel it is my charitable duty to offer myself as an appropriate target for their scorn so that they may at least temporarily feel less disgusted with themselves. Gentlemen, (odd how it is almost always invariably men isn't it?) here is my latest contribution toward salving your obvious self-hatred. I look forward to your adament self-abuse projected at me!

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West Virgina Allegory
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In response to this sentence:

If we don't set and abide by a standard for collateral damage, what's the alternative? Never use force? Intentionally use proganda and misinformation to try to distract people from the collateral damage?

It's a new idea to me that there could be a standard for collateral damage. Can there also be a friendly fire standard? Love to be on that Pentagon committee that tries to present the issue of friendly fire casualties within the overall 'noise' framework of how many of our own eggs is okay to break when making the omlet of mass destruction. War tends to thrust issues at us which are impossible to deal with ethically while still courting unrealistic public opinion.

People/societies tolerate the inhumanity and injustice of war because they believe it will serve a higher purpose in the longer run, like abolition - though when the Emancipation Proclamation was announced in New York City there were riots and mobs of whites going out lynching blacks as a result!

The world has become such a small place, that the rage of the masses of third world muslims in reaction to the brutalization of their fellow Palestinians or the collateral incidental (unfortunate) deaths of Afghan civilians now is felt at least a little all the way over here in white, fat, happy, ignorant, and arrogant territory.

When these slobs have it pointed out to them that poor people are being killed in their name without them understanding the reasons why, they react by attacking the 'liberal' messengers. It's all our fault for hating America! These are the intellectual descendants of the mobs that tore into black people in New York for 'forcing' them to die to free their relatives. One of the most cynical and influential of their rabble-rousers just went deaf because he spent so long spouting hate that he forgot how to use his ears to listen.

I don't have a good answer because there isn't a good answer. I know that polling third worlders on their attitudes toward the US and our government feels wrong to me in my guts. I'm upset right now at the impending losses of civil rights and especially disgusted by the short-sighted lust for vengeance in the name of justice that is covering up the simple fact of another war to make the world safe for oil profiteers.

If we were really going to get involved and use that oil profit to improve the lives of our citizens at home and the Afghan people also, it would mollify my disgust and anger. But I sure don't believe that social justice is part of the agenda of compassionate conservatism.

I never trusted the eyes and the evil laugh of that ineloquent, unelegant, fake folksy son of a bitch - and now he's the great hero? I just know there is something truly foul and stinking going on here, I mean beyond billionaires becoming gazillionaires by sacrificing lives that would have been short hard and brutal anyway. It makes me nuts to witness how my fellow Americans are unwilling to see through the creeps.

Well, let's be philosophical at least: out of the worst, something better has the potential to be born. It's just that the worst is so wretchedly sickening.


Don't listen to him! (5.00 / 2) (#1)
by tkatchev on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 10:18:08 AM PST
Whatever he wrote is probably insidious Jewish propaganda. Don't read the article unless you want to be drawn into their Zionist plot.

(P.S. I'm too lazy to read the actual article myself, so don't expect me to comment on the ideas herein. Not like it matters, though, since it's all just Jewish propaganda.)

Peace and much love...

Now You're Talking My Talk Muzhik ! (none / 0) (#3)
by Inden on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 11:16:04 AM PST
Apparently you too are a self-hating Jew. Are you sure there isn't a yiddische babushka back there in your lineage?

Me? Never. (none / 0) (#4)
by tkatchev on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 11:45:57 AM PST
Ethincally, I'm mostly Ukranian with a small bit of Turkic and Gypsy blood. Honestly, there aren't any Jewish ancestors in my lineage. Seriously.

Peace and much love...

Some random thoughts (1.00 / 1) (#2)
by hauntedattics on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 11:06:36 AM PST
So it's all a big conspiracy for the fat cats in big oil, eh? If I'm not vigilant in patrolling my thought processes, I'm going to start believing that there's an enormous conspiracy of conspiracy theorists, all intent on taking over the world! Mouahahaha!

But seriously, I don't think it's as simple as you're painting it. I don't think it's as simple as the other side of the spectrum is painting it, either. But there is one thing that underlines my thinking on this whole issue:

The people and government of the United States are not responsible for the September 11th attacks.

Linking the attacks to Israel/Palestine, or U.S. troops in Saudi, or any foreign policy action the U.S. has taken in the last 50/100/zillion years is playing right into the hands of bin Laden and other potential terrorists. What would happen if we acceded to all of bin Laden's demands? Would he and his organization suddenly say, "OK, you've done what we asked, so we'll leave you alone now."? No. As the Economist said in one of its leaders this week, "Militant Islam despises the West not for what it does but for what it is." And getting rid of the U.S. presence in the Middle East/Southwest Asia would do nothing to solve the domestic problems of corruption, lack of economic growth and opportunity, and statism in many of that region's countries.

Instead of asking "What have we done to deserve this????" maybe people should be devoting their mental energies for how we can work to ensure security in the U.S. and contribute toward better societies overseas.

Meets minimum rant criterea, but falls short. (5.00 / 1) (#5)
by RobotSlave on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 01:42:45 PM PST
At 600+ words, it just makes the cut for submission material at, but it falls short of the mark at which it might function as a useful remedy for insomnia.

When we examine the secondary metrics, it continues to disappoint-- a mere 1% of all words are misspelled, for a paltry total of less than ten.

© 2002, RobotSlave. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

Just curious (none / 0) (#6)
by zikzak on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 09:04:29 PM PST
How old are you?

And in addition, (none / 0) (#7)
by RobotSlave on Thu Oct 18th, 2001 at 09:47:40 PM PST
what are you wearing?

© 2002, RobotSlave. You may not reproduce this material, in whole or in part, without written permission of the owner.

How Old R U? (none / 0) (#8)
by Inden on Sun Oct 21st, 2001 at 02:03:24 AM PST
I was born in the year Yuri Gagarin became the first human to orbit the earth and the wall was erected in Berlin, approximately between those two dates.

Why do you ask?

Agnew was a heartbeat away from the Presidency (none / 0) (#9)
by zikzak on Sun Oct 21st, 2001 at 03:44:37 AM PST
I ask because you often sound naive.


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