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'The Return Of Microsoft: Part Two' | Login/Create an Account | Top | 500 comments | Search Discussion
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MS does a lot for free software. (Score:-1, Troll)
by Lover's Arrival, The (Lovers_Arrival_The@americanwicca.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:17AM EST (#11)
(User #267435 Info)
From what I have seen, Microsoft really does quite a lot for free software. It provides competition and so on, true, but it also writes free software itself.

For example, Internet Explorer is free for download just like Mozilla is, and all the service packs are free. Usefull utilities like Winzip are free too.

If Microsoft wasn't so big and powerful, these things wouldn't be free at all. because they wouldn't be able to support it. My ex-boyfriend used Microsoft wuite a lot (I am more fond of Macintosh) and it was amazing what he could get for free, just downloading stuff from the internet. Before he left me, he had hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs.

So I think it is quite good that Microsoft is so bog. They make money off of the big corporations mainly, but give back to the consumer. So MS help fight against corporate power, and give it back to the man in the street.

I support them for this :)

--Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The

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<<I don't believe it by Anonymous Coward | On Gates by Anonymous Coward (Score:-1) >>
Moderation Totals:Flamebait=2, Troll=21, Insightful=8, Interesting=7, Informative=2, Funny=4, Overrated=4, Underrated=4, Total=52.
MS does not own WinZip (does it?) (Score:2, Informative)
by ibirman on Thursday June 07, @10:23AM EST (#26)
(User #176167 Info) http://www.MyYellowPad.com
Here is the trailer from the WinZip website: WinZip is a registered trademark of WinZip Computing, Inc By the way, did you know that Phil Katz died a few months ago?
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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
by diamondc (gabrielfm AT yahoo.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:25AM EST (#30)
(User #241058 Info) http://sugarkane.rgv.net/
informative, definetly not.
it's free as in beer, right?
you so missed the mark on this one...

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moderators are idiots; this could have been a micr (Score:0, Flamebait)
by waspleg (avarice@linuxmail.org) on Thursday June 07, @10:25AM EST (#31)
(User #316038 Info)
osoft press release if it didn't have such poor spelling

stupid wiccans

btw freeware and SHAREWARE are not the same thing
besides if he had GB's of shit it was probably pirated

dumb whore, we know now why you were left
protect your freedom ; http://www.lp.org -God-
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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0, Troll)
by jayhawk88 (rockchalk88[AT]yahoo.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:25AM EST (#34)
(User #160512 Info)
Before everyone starts going off on this post, please take a moment and examine the posters User Info, and take note of the previous posts. I think the trolling will be clear.

He snaps their necks, and uses their tiny bodies as human shields.
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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1, Insightful)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:26AM EST (#35)
and this got marked insightful??? (should be troll).
I.E. is not free software, in the true sense of the word. Service packs darn well better not cost anything. If you ship a broken product that you charge a lot of money for, you should support it.

'wuite' is not a word. 'Write' maybe? 'write' would still be wrong in this case.

Hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs (warez? hundreds? not "free software" by any stretch)

Microsoft is so bog?

Insightful my ass.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @04:12PM EST (#388)

    'wuite' is not a word. 'Write' maybe? 'write' would still be wrong in this case.

    I think he/she meant 'quite.' On a qwerty keyboard, the 'q' and 'w' are adjacent. But you could figure this out by context, couldn't you? Well, maybe not.

    Hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs (warez? hundreds? not "free software" by any stretch)

    If one looks at the software "freely" available from one of a number of archive sites, it may amount to hundreds of gigs, who knows? But yes, there is a lot of "free" software for windows, both as in "gratis," AND as in "libre," none of which is "warez."

    Microsoft is so bog?

    It's that adjacent keys problem again. 'o' is next to 'i'. But again, one should be able to easily parse simple typos, e.g., 'bog' s/b 'big.'

    Harshing on people for having typos really makes it readily apparent that you couldn't be bothered to formulate a coherent argument, fool.

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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:26AM EST (#39)
I've been following your posts ever since you started karma whoring, and I would just like to say one thing: God, you're so stupid.
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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:26AM EST (#40)

Not one of your best trolls, LAT, but it looks like it doesn't matter--they'll mod you up anyway.

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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:2)
by icqqm (slashdot@icqhelpnet.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:27AM EST (#46)
(User #132707 Info) http://www.icqhelpnet.com/
<RMS>Free-as-in-beer and Free-as-in-speech are two VERY different things. Microsoft does little for Free Software.</RMS>

Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to make my donation to the Freedom to Innovate foundation.

icqqm [ICQ:11952102]

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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:30AM EST (#58)
DUH?!
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Bonehead : was:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:31AM EST (#68)
The misinformation campaign continues.. :)

"For example, Internet Explorer is free for download just like Mozilla is, and all the service packs are free. Usefull utilities like Winzip are free too."

What is free? How do you define free? If it stands up to the Free SOftware Foundation's definition of free software, I'll eat my hat

"If Microsoft wasn't so big and powerful, these things wouldn't be free at all. because they wouldn't be able to support it."

Wrong answer.. If microsoft wasn't so big and powerful there would be a plethora of free alternative that are and have been (since you were in diapers) stomped out or bought out and shelved.

"My ex-boyfriend used Microsoft wuite a lot (I am more fond of Macintosh) and it was amazing what he could get for free, just downloading stuff from the internet. Before he left me, he had hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs."

"Billions and billions :)" hundreds of GB of pirated programs.. there is simply not that much free SW that runs on MS platform.. every new release has a tendency to break compatibility with the old release. Planned or purchased obsolenscense as the monopolist rolls more and mor into their own for sale distro. Would you like some crumbs for free.. they took the steak you and the tax payers already paid for back, but now you defend your crumb lords?

What we see here actually is redmond paying a buttload of fat $$ trolls to post their misinformation on slashdot. You are in hell :) How does it feel??

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Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
by Ryan_Terry (RyanT@terryslc.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:31AM EST (#69)
(User #444764 Info) http://www.terryslc.com
Shall we clarify a bit?
  • Internet Explorer is free for download just like Mozilla is...
    But, it is not open sourced. I cannot see the source code behind it.
  • Usefull utilities like Winzip are free too...
    Winzip is not a Microsoft product. It is also not open source.
  • Before he left me, he had hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs...
    None of which came from Microsoft, except for the minor eexceptions of maybe IE, FrontPage express and Solitaire.
    It is important to remember that just because I can download it for free does not mean it is open, and because it runs on windows it does not mean it is from Microsoft.


    DocWatson
    DALnet #Linux, RubiksNET #Linux
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    Ooh, trolly goodness! (Score:2)
    by Grendel Drago (gdrago23@yaSPAMMhoo.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:32AM EST (#71)
    (User #41496 Info) http://grendel.dyndns.org
    Uh, no. Microsoft does not 'give [power] back' to anyone. They consolidate and control. The only reason MSIE was 'free' was because it was competing with Netscape, also 'free'. They could not have sold it.

    Err... and no matter how bloated all things Microsoft may seem, they're not 'hundreds of gigs'.

    Go back under your bridge.

    -grendel drago
    remove SPAMM to mail
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      Re:Ooh, trolly goodness! (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:43AM EST (#116)
      that makes twelve slashbots, so far, that just fed the most obvious fucking troll i've seen in months. when did you guys turn into such a bunch of gullable fucknuts? stop replying. or as they used to say with the expectation of being understood:

      yhbt yhl hand.

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        Re:Ooh, trolly goodness! (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @11:48AM EST (#257)
        What makes /. great is that the people here love to be trolled. They even say "This is a troll, but I am going to respond (and get trolled) anyway". They are the biggest 'bottoms' that you'll find on the Internet - they just love to take it again and again.
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        'gullable'?! (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @11:57AM EST (#267)
        We're not gullable! You can't gull us!
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:37AM EST (#92)
    So whereabouts in Scotland are you from? North Kilttown?
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by GusShultz (markettymer@yahoo.NOSPAMMAAM.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:39AM EST (#98)
    (User #456458 Info)
    They offer free software initially as part of their startegy to be the ONLY software provider on EVERY home computer. Look at the Price of Office XP. I don't have the hard numbers to back it up, but I seem to remember getting Office for around $99 way back when. Now that its the standard its a $250 UPGRADE price! The strategy is to gain the market and THEN soak you for your dollars. Its a good strategy to make money but it IS illegal to leverage your monopoly in such a manner. Its called predatory pricing when you give software away for free that other companies charge money for. M$ has somehow been able to keep the government "watchdogs" (joke) completely SNOWED!
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by RDskutter on Thursday June 07, @10:40AM EST (#104)
    (User #171222 Info)

    I suspect you are trolling but I am going to reply anyway...

    Internet Explorer is not free just like Mozilla is. Show me the source code for IE - you can't because it's not free. (Speech v Beer) For a definition of free software see the Free Software Foundation website at http://www.fsf.org

    Winzip is not a Microsoft application.

    The hundreds of gigabytes(?) of free programs he had were probably not written by Microsoft. Are you sure you don't mean megabytes. Do you know how big a gigabyte is?

    As for your last paragraph - it speaks for itself. Microsoft are not in the business of giving power to people, they are in the business of making money. To them that means taking power away from users.


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      Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @11:40AM EST (#248)
      I cant believe that no one has mentioned that IE technically isn't free. Its another part of the OS, in which the person should have payed for.

      The main arguments microsoft took in the lawsuit against them by the government was that IE and a bunch of programs are simply part of the operating system in which they update seperately
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by -=OmegaMan=- on Thursday June 07, @10:42AM EST (#109)
    (User #151970 Info)
    "Before he left me, he had hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs."

    I'm assuming that was actually hundreds of gigabytes of pr0n, since he obviously didn't need you anymore. :-p

    This sig is xenon coated, and will glow red when in the presence of aliens

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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:2)
    by ethereal on Thursday June 07, @10:42AM EST (#111)
    (User #13958 Info) http://sethf.com/freespeech/censorware/essays/censorwareorg.php

    Boy, you picked the wrong forum on which to demonstrate an alternative use of the phrase "free software" :)

    Oh, wait, its only LA,T. You've been here long enough to know better, which makes you a troll instead. At least I'm not the only one that took the bait...

    Caution: contents may be quarrelsome and meticulous!
    Comments on URL above?

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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by ahknight (ahknightHATESSPAM@pobox.c0mmercial) on Thursday June 07, @10:46AM EST (#129)
    (User #128958 Info)
    he had hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs

    Ahh, I see. Well, I'm going to have to wager that if you hold any grudges against him, just call the local SPA and mention his "hundreds of gigabytes of completely free programs" to them and see how quick you learn that they were only aquired without cost. :)

    And if he has a foot in that puddle on the Internet, I'm sure you'll find why he left you in the other "hundred gigabytes" of files he never explained to you, especially if they ended in ".mpg" or ".avi". >:)

    Slashcode: while ($deadHorse) { beat(); if (not (time % 60)) { insertTroll(); } }

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    Not even a good troll (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:48AM EST (#136)
    This is weak even for you.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:49AM EST (#141)
    I am more fond of Macintosh - that says it all.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by I_redwolf (accountrenwar@drms.smap.mil) on Thursday June 07, @10:49AM EST (#142)
    (User #51890 Info) http://www.kernelcode.com
    Free? No. Microsoft doesn't give anything away freely. It all has it's price. The sooner you learn that the price you are paying is with your own freedom of choice the quicker you yourself become free.
     
    It's truly sad that you feel that way, it just proves to me how unaware people are of what free means and how blindingly they'd give up having a choice.

    bleh -- I see
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    Free vs "Free" (Score:2)
    by AftanGustur (rikardur@delete.sky.fr) on Thursday June 07, @10:50AM EST (#147)
    (User #7715 Info) http://195.115.13.16/

    From what I have seen, Microsoft really does quite a lot for free software. It provides competition and so on, true, but it also writes free software itself.

    When people on /. refer to "free" software they normally mean "free as in speach" not "as in bear".

    Also, if competition is so good, then why is MS killing off all of theirs ?


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      Re:Free vs "Free" (Score:1)
      by TZA14a (tthemel@gmx.net) on Thursday June 07, @10:56AM EST (#164)
      (User #9984 Info) http://themel.dyn.dhs.org/index_en.html
      When people on /. refer to "free" software they normally mean "free as in speach" not "as in bear".

      Now, a free bear is definitely a bad thing, at least in my living room. And I guess I wouldn't want one in my server closet, either.

      But what's that "speach" thing you're talking about? Some kind of genetically engineered fruit? I wonder...
      --
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        Re:Free vs "Free" (Score:1)
        by rixster on Thursday June 07, @11:27AM EST (#230)
        (User #249481 Info)
        It's not "bear" that's misspelt - she means "Freya the bear, not Freya as in spatula" ( a common mistake with new /. posters I have found. But yes, a free bear is a bad thing, but a free beard - well that's ok too I guess. Free Bard ? I didn't know that there was one imprisoned somewhere)
        I could go on but I need to write some perl stuff now.

        Two wrongs may not make a right, but three ....
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by eyefish on Thursday June 07, @10:52AM EST (#150)
    (User #324893 Info)
    You failed to notice the following: The only reasons why IE is free, were (1) to drive Netscape Navigator out of the market, (2) to get people hooked into using IE since IE would become the new front-end (just as DOS and Windows were before) to Microsoft's future Web ventures (like .NET, MSN, etc).

    Besides, now that IE is basically king, and it runs on 95% of all machines (the remaining is IE on the Mac, and Netscape on Unix flavors), you ARE paying for it by having a Winsows OS!!!

    In other words, in the coming future, IE, .NET and Windows will blend in such a way, that even if they give any one of those three "free" to you, you will have to pay for the other two!!!

    I'm scared of seeing so much power on only one company.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @10:53AM EST (#153)
    Ok, it's a troll. But when we say "free" we are talking about freedom , not inexpensiveness. Microsoft does not give away the source code.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by Spamuel on Thursday June 07, @10:55AM EST (#159)
    (User #246002 Info)
    You do realise that the price of IE is included in the purchase price of Windows operating systems, right? It's not as free as it appears...
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by Hasie on Thursday June 07, @10:56AM EST (#162)
    (User #316698 Info)
    Mmmmm, last time I checked the vast majority of the stuff I could download free for Windows was not written by Microsoft. It was written by the same type of people who wrote Linux. I don't see how the availability of third party free software can be used as a defense for Microsoft.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by Spazntwich (spazntwich@nospam.bzzerk.com) on Thursday June 07, @10:59AM EST (#170)
    (User #208070 Info)
    It's posts like this idiotic one that get modded up, that make me want to take back all of those other mod points I used positively, and mod this down to 0.

    I h8 trolls.
    ---
    You can argue. But you'll just end up angry.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by Dankweed (mayj@wsu.edu) on Thursday June 07, @11:04AM EST (#175)
    (User #1506 Info) http://straits.dhs.org
    Okay, now it's early in the morning and I am a bit irritable, but PLEASE GOD somebody tell me how it is that this troll got moderated to FIVE?

    This person appears to think hat any software running on windows is made by Microsoft. How could such an ignorant statment be moderated anywhere but DOWN?

    Hundreds of GIGs of free software? Are you sure you know what a gig is? Or are you just confused as to what FREE means?

    And there's just one more thing I've got to say.. something-O-O something-O-O economics?? VOODOO Economics.

    Just give money to rich people and out of the kindess of their heart they will make damn sure that he give all the money back to the people by employing people for exactly the minimum amount they can possibly be paid while the 5 or 6 fat cats make ALL the money and buy sports teams, ridiculously large houses and stupid looking museums.

    Three cheers for the monopoly! Hip-hip-hurray! Hip-hip-*gag order*
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    Brilliant!!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @11:06AM EST (#181)
    This is simply classic. Thank you!
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @11:07AM EST (#184)
    what planet do you live on? - open your eyes - here is an idea - how about you spend 2 hours researching microsoft; in what ways and how they control small and large companies; and yes even you (you might also want to lookup were there revenue comes from) - while your at it take a look at the list of illegal business practices and grievances against them - then if you want to defend microsoft come back here and post something reasonable ps - FREE has a DIFFERENT meaning HERE (look it up) and microsoft does not own WinZip
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by fok on Thursday June 07, @11:13AM EST (#201)
    (User #449027 Info)
    Yes... it is gratis... but, if you detect a bug, and know how to fix it, you can't. If you don't like the software the way it is woking (or not), you cannot change it. That's why it in NOT free software. You should understand the diference. see this: ftp://ftp.procergs.com.br/video/stallman.rm
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    To sum it all up (Score:1)
    by thezifster on Thursday June 07, @11:29AM EST (#234)
    (User #223619 Info)
    There are tons of free zip programs, and in fact they are rather easy to create.

    Winzip is owned by Winzip Inc., and is really not affiliated with Microsoft.

    Windows 98 Plus has compressed folder technology included which was added using Dynazip from Innermedia Inc.

    Both technologies are based of the infozip code however that code is only the basis for what is being used nowadays. So each program/developer kit has a different way of doing things.

    There are indeed alot of free programs out there for the taking, however most are written by random programmers with some free time on their hands.

    Hopefully that sums up everything for all of ya ^.^

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    WinZip is not free... (Score:2, Informative)
    by Malc (Malcolm_Ferguson@yahoo.NO_SPAM_PLEASE.com) on Thursday June 07, @11:35AM EST (#240)
    (User #1751 Info)
    ... it costs USD$29 for an individual license.

    Perhaps your ex-boyfriend had a hard-drive full of illegal warez!
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by orlinius (orlini@hotmail.com) on Thursday June 07, @11:47AM EST (#256)
    (User #181137 Info)
    MS does a lot for free software.

    I totally agree. If it wasn't for Microsoft, we would not appreciate free software from them so much. Oops, did I say free software - I meant WAREZ.

    I mean, it wouldn't be fun anymore if one doesn't have to download a crack or look for a serial number from time to time.

    P.S. Oh, and I loved when SunbeltW2Knews newsletter announced that there were already cracked versons of Office XP circulating on the net and on CD-Roms.
    As the guy from the newsletter explained: "I put the CD in and the MS Installer kicked in asked me for a long CD Key and BOOM it went about its business. I filled in my installation choices I chose upgrade 10 minutes later I was running all of the applications. In the MS Office tools menu I saw the option to activate my software I clicked it and I got a Message state my products were already activated. I tried this online and offline, win 98 and win2k everything went flawlessly."
    To which Microsoft responded with a denial of his Office XP crack and said this may have been a confusion about licensing.
    A hungry bear does not dance!
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    You have GOT to be kidding us... (Score:1)
    by maynard (maynard@jmg.com) on Thursday June 07, @11:53AM EST (#261)
    (User #3337 Info) telnet://dont.waste.your.time.wah
    Wow, I can't believe the pro MS propaganda which filled both the last Katz post and this. The fact that this post got modded up to a five above all others, along with nearly every other pro MS post, only goes to show that the moderation system is being badly mis-used by those with an (obvious) agenda.

    You misrepresent the meaning of "Free" with respect to the difference between Mozilla and Internet Explorer. Mozilla is not only "free" as in gratis, it's also free as in "Free Speech"; source included. One can't say that for IE. Mozilla will *always* be free in this respect; IE is remains gratis at the whim of MS.

    But you knew this, and you knew these were the responses you'd get. It doesn't matter, though -- it's still effective propaganda. One of the primary tennents of effective misrepresentation of facts is that if you repeat it enough, the general population will -- over time -- come to accept the blatently false as true. And here you are -- telling us that black is white, freedom is slavery, and IE is free.

    MS is going to win; Katz is right. Those involved with the Free Software movement might be well advised to begin planning a move to a country which supports their free speech rights -- like The Netherlands. If MS can buy their way out of this then they can buy any damn legislation they want, just like the RIAA and MPAA. Welcome to hell.

    --Maynard
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      Re:You have GOT to be kidding us... (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @02:56PM EST (#363)
      MS is going to win; Katz is right.

      Win? Vs. Free software? Nah. Free softwares worst enemy is the bulk of it's supporters.

      Understand this. Almost everyone would rather pay 50 bucks for IE, with no source, then use Mozilla or Konquerer for free. On Winboxen, the reasons I went to IE over Netscape are simple. It just plain works and looks better. And the browsers for Linux are almost valueless. Source? So what? If I have to spend even an hour going through the Mozilla code to get it to work 1/10th as well as IE, well, I may as just well spend the 50 bucks, and let them keep the source. Why? because past an hour, I am losing money. How many open source types can understand this? The vast majority of users don't care. Not about source. Not about being free. They want to do what they are gonna do on their comps, whther it be playing games or making a spreadsheet, then go on about their lives. They don't wanna spend 2 hours just installing the fraking thing. Unzip. Untar. chmod. run install program. Fail. su. run install program again. Etc. To be blunt, as far as the world is concerned, this is what losers do.

      These are people who spend money. And their giant voice is heard. Hardware companies supply drivers. Software companies make software. That simple. The money is in Windows, so that is where the bounty of stuff will reside. Why provide for Linux?

      Example. I write a cool Windows game, and sell it. A lot of people who use Linux want to play it. And like most Linux users, they have dual boot or a Win machine. If they like my game, they will generally buy the Windows version. So why the hell should I spend money to port stuff to Linux? If you are gonna buy it, you will buy the Windows version. Until Linux can stand on it's own in this regard, it isn't a viable replacement. Tuxracer may be fun for about 3 seconds, but Homeworld or the latest Star Wars game tends to be fun for a lot longer. Who cares if I don't have the source? I, like almost everyone just wants to play. We choose not to spend our finite lives, wasting away hacking on some substandard game.

      Desktop users command the bulk of installed systems. Why should they choose Linux over Windows? Choice? That is as bad as MSs use of the word innovation. Let's walk into a store with some money and see who has choice. Wow, you can use Windowmaker instead of Sawfish. I can buy anything in the store, and when I get home, can pop it in, and it will just work. You can't run any of the apps. As for the hardware? Maybe. That is the choice that counts. Sure, Enlightenment is pretty. It's not nearly as pretty as clicking on my desktop and playing the latest game in all its glory. At least not for 90%+ of all computer users. And they are the ones who get all the new stuff.

      I have been using Linux for many years, and have been instrumental in it's adoptance in many firms. I would just hate to see Linux go away. It doesn't have to be entirely dead. Just eneough that I can pretty much bet that no hardware company will ever produce drivers, nor any software company write apps for it. (Having 10k apps for something doesn't mean 5,000 cd players and 5,000 text based email clients).

      So I just wanna say a big "HI" to Mr. Gates best friends. Impressionable young Linux zealots with no real world business experience, and treating Windows users with contempt and a great amount of condecension. You guys do more damage to us guys out there, trying to implemement Linux in the real world.

      Coward? Nay. Anonymous? Aye. What sane person would want a person who posts goatse links to have their email addy?
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      Asshole moderated above comment down (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @02:57PM EST (#365)
      Further proof that Microsoft astroturfers have taken over Slashdot.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by OCatenac (OCatenac@Yahoo.Com) on Thursday June 07, @11:55AM EST (#262)
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    Well, it's certainly interesting to hear the opposing point of view every once in a while. However, I believe you've missed the point. Microsoft doesn't give away software for free because they believe in openness and innovation. They give away software for free for two reasons:

    1.) To price their competitors right out of the market. For example, if I have to pay $25 for Netscape (and I don't remember how much it was) and I can get IE for free (and later IE was built right into the OS) which one do you think I'll use?

    2.) To solidify their hold on their monopoly. By giving away software for free they make it more likely that their software will become the de facto standard. And when their software becomes the de facto standard, they can do whatever they like and everyone else has to dance to their tune.

    So basically I think your arguments are based on a false premise. If Microsoft gives software away it's only so that they can extend their monopoly.

    Onorio Catenacci


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    People STOP! It's a TROLL!!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @12:32PM EST (#297)
    People STOP! It's a TROLL!!!
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by LordOfYourPants on Thursday June 07, @12:53PM EST (#310)
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    I completely agree with you. Microsoft has released much free software in the past.

    MS Comic Chat
    MS Internet Explorer
    Calculator
    NotePad
    Address Book
    Paint
    WordPad
    CD Player
    Minesweep
    Solitaire
    Hearts
    FreeCell
    Scandisk
    regedit
    NetMeeting
    Media Player
    winipcfg
    tracert
    ping

    And so much more that I can not count it. What I think that people don't realize is the sheer number of manhours that go into maintaining these hundreds of products in order to keep the users happy.

    Poor Stewart and Tim, working a 19 hour shift just to air out the last couple of bugs in FreeCell for the next service pack. They are paid by the hour, and microsoft releases this thousand man-hour product called a Service Pack for no charge at all. Not even a bandwidth charge!

    What about the production costs of the MSDN Net Show? This high quality masterpiece of television goes unnoticed by the public and is released commercial-free by Microsoft, without a CHARGE to download!

    And I agree with your logic that by fighting corporate power, they will give it back to the man on the street. We both know that power can't be created or destroyed (Mother Nature -- wink, wink) regulates all that is space and time. So if MS gains too much power they will explode. Their release valve is the american citizens. Right now they have 600 units of power. If they reach 650, they will blow up so they must allocate a few units to the general public. 12 units should be given to George W Bush, he only has 493 of them right now, and is capable of holding 900 units.

    As a final note, I really appreciate your mastering of the art of trolling. I one day hope to achieve your level of it. All I can do for now is look on an awe and hope to learn your techniques well enough to emulate (and, with enough luck, improve on) in the future.

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      Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
      by Lord Hugh Toppingham on Thursday June 07, @02:02PM EST (#339)
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      I really appreciate your mastering of the art of trolling. I one day hope to achieve your level of it. All I can do for now is look on an awe and hope to learn your techniques well enough to emulate (and, with enough luck, improve on) in the future.

      A good place to start is the slashdot troll how-to.

      And remember, its not the quality of the troll that counts, its the spirit and love that went into it's creation.

      America - a country of morons and imbeciles -- Sir Winston Churchill.

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    HEY MODERATORS, THIS *ISN'T* A TROLL! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @02:25PM EST (#349)
    you can download plenty of free software that runs under windows, what are you guys smoking?
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @02:39PM EST (#354)
    Considering that Microsoft produces (or has produced) development environments for nearly every computer language that's ever been popular...I find it hard to believe that people accuse them of trying to prevent third parties from developing software. They even give away VB and Visual C++ for handheld PC's for free and publish all of their supported APIs in MSDN...for free.
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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @03:12PM EST (#370)
    >For example, Internet Explorer is free for download just like Mozilla is, and all the service packs are free. Usefull utilities like Winzip are free too. Then explain to me why MS has quashed the Alpha version. I havent been able to install it for about amonth now. The files seem to have vanished and MS says "we are taking care of it, stop e-mailing us"
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    The people who mod this moron up are assholes. (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 07, @07:24PM EST (#433)
    That's all I've got to say.

    (Slams door behind him as he leaves Slashtroll forever).

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    Re:MS does a lot for free software. (Score:1)
    by dcnblues (dcnblues@hotmail.com (junk mail filter)) on Friday June 08, @05:54PM EST (#493)
    (User #69561 Info) http://home.pacbell.net/dcnblues/3d.html
    Let's get something straight here.

    The fact that free software exists for the Windows platform has little to do with Microsoft giving software away. To the contrary, most of the software written for the Windows platform (free or otherwise) is produced by other companies BESIDES Microsoft.

    What irks me is their upcoming business plan of making their software liscensing scheme work like a magazine subscription; you won't BUY software, but rather RENT or LEASE it, and have to pay again later on down the road if you wish to use it past the liscense's "expiration date".

    I'm sorry, but when that day comes, I'm backing up my data and taking a very powerful electromagnet to my hard drives... then loading the Intel build of Darwin on the now-virgin magnetic media previously occupied by WinBlows....


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