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"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1, Troll)
by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Thursday June 14, @07:39AM EST (#59)
(User #198204 Info)

One of the greatest lies that historians have ever told is that the continent that we now refer to as North America was inhabited by "native peoples" at the time of its discovery by Columbus. This, as true history has shown, is sheer poppycock; it is a nefarious fantasy concocted in the minds of those who wish to control our collective destinies. Not only are there no contemporary documents that support the existence of these fantasy "natives", the people who are responsible for inventing them have never been particularly secretive about their true motives.

It is interesting to note that in the late 1950s, no American (indeed, no person) had ever even heard of these so-called "native Americans." But then, in the 1960s, stories of them suddenly started appearing seemingly from nowhere. Your next-door neighbor started relating stories from his great-grandmother about "Injun attacks." Schoolchildren started to get educated about the different "tribes" and "nations" of these people, and yet not one parent demanded to see evidence of their existence. Our children were taught stories about how the great white pioneers of this nation supposedly plundered these peoples and took their land from them, and our children felt ashamed.

Of course they felt ashamed! That's the whole reason these fantasy "native Americans" exist! They were invented by radical leftist agitators at Berkeley in the early 1960s. The primary purpose that these mythical "Indians" serve is to instill false guilt in white people. They exist to make the Chosen People of this land feel badly about their own history and heritage, and that is a thought crime. Liberalism is about (first and foremost) the hatred of self and love of collective. To that end, this nation's leftists felt it necessary to invent an entire imaginary race of people that were "pillaged" by this continent's Anglo-Saxon discoverers. The goal: to make this nation's guardians hate themselves and their heritage, and be sympathetic to that which is alien and unacceptable.

The truth, of course, is that none of these stories has the least bit of credibility; despite repeated requests from the conservative community, liberals have been unable to produce a single "native American." And so we must file this lie in the same trash dumpster as the (extremely overexaggerated) stories of so-called "slavery" of the 1800s. Patriots must constantly guard their country from its enemies, and we must realize that more today than ever before, its enemies are more likely to attack from within.


Jon Erikson, Senior consultant, NPO Technologies

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<<Re:Get prepared, here come the greenies by Anonymous Coward | "Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth by Jon Erikson (Score:1) | HAHAHA, showing your true colors by Anonymous Coward >>
Moderation Totals:Flamebait=3, Troll=11, Insightful=1, Interesting=2, Informative=7, Funny=2, Overrated=1, Underrated=3, Total=30.
People, don't comment on this troll. (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:45AM EST (#70)
I'll remain under cover, to hide my bite.

- AC
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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:-1, Troll)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @07:51AM EST (#83)

Uh-Oh, A troll trolling a troll, this could take a while


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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:-1, Troll)
by Muttonhead on Thursday June 14, @07:59AM EST (#101)
(User #109583 Info) http://intrepidsoftware.com/
How does a troll like this get moderated so high? What's happened to Slashdot? This is becoming a trend.
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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1, Informative)
by WebMasterJoe (joe_nospam@colwell-salmon.com) on Thursday June 14, @08:13AM EST (#124)
(User #253077 Info) http://www.colwell-salmon.com
I can't believe how many stories you're coming up with! Folks, if you want to see a fun trend, take a look at Jon Erikson's profile. Read the comments he's made - menstruation is a sin to punish women for Eve's actions (I guess the liberals want you to think it's some sort of biological thing about reproduction cylcles! Don't believe them!).

Why, why, does this guy think we will believe Native Americans were "invented" in the 1960's? Are we supposed to believe that Mark Twain's stories were also therefore written in the 1960's and backdated to the 1800's? Has this guy ever seen the hundreds of "Cowboy and Indian" movies of the early 20th century?

Moderators, I think our best attack is to mod him down whenever possible, to the point that his karma will be so bad his posts start at -1. It's not like his posts are worth modding up; he is so extreme that he will try to convince us that a race of people was invented in the 1960's, a time that many people here can remember. According to his profile, he was born in 1970. Some freak got to this guy and brainwashed him pretty early on, I guess.

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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1)
by turbine216 (turbine216@diespammers.hotmail.com) on Thursday June 14, @08:15AM EST (#128)
(User #458014 Info)
and i suppose that the people "posing" as native americans created an entire culture, including several subcultures were created over a period of 20 or 30 years by the government?


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    Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1, Flamebait)
    by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Thursday June 14, @08:27AM EST (#140)
    (User #198204 Info)

    Yes. They imported tribesmen from the Amazon which had been displaced by logging efforts powered by American greed, and offered to resettle them in America as long as they followed the liberal's plan for collective guilt. Having no other options, these people agreed and were specially educated in their new "culture" before being send to the prepared reservations in America.

    Most "native" Americans are unaware of this, as their children were taught the same lies as ours. Within another thirty years, nobody will be alive who was there when they arrived on American soil.

    Jon Erikson, Senior consultant, NPO Technologies

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      Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:4, Informative)
      by Johnny5000 on Thursday June 14, @08:44AM EST (#164)
      (User #451029 Info)
      How exactly is this +3 informative?
      I know the rule about modding up stuff that adds to the discussion, and not if you necesarily agree with it, but come on, people.

      I'd like to forward my own theory.

      The Native Americans were beamed in here from the third moon of the planet Lothax, third planet in a star system 55 light years away. They arrived in the year 1996, but the reason why we believe they were here so much longer was that, working with the Godless Liberals, they devised a scheme where a mind-controlling memory chip was implanted in the mind of every person on earth, which contained false memories of the Native Americans being on earth for years and years. Implanted memories, like in Total Recall (where do you think Arnold got the idea from?)It's just an elaborate plan to make Honey Nut Cheerios sell better, since they are the main export of the planet Lothax.

      The reason I know this is my brother's best friend's uncle's dogwalker's hairdresser used to live next door to the guy who mowed Arnold's lawn.
      Do I have any other proof? Of course not.

      Now lets see if this one gets modded up to +3 informative.

      -Johnny 5000


      We're speaking a new language where words are not enough.
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      Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @08:59AM EST (#187)
      Yet there is considerable evidence that these people occupied North American soil well before any sort of organized logging effort existed.

      The physical descriptions of them, taken from the journals of fur traders and early explorers, match the people you would see if you went to a reservation today.

      As I have admonished you before, go to a reservation, go see them for yourself. Listen to what they have to say about their culture, go to the museums and read the evidence. You will realize that you have fallen for a not-so-elaborate hoax.

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      Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1, Offtopic)
      by Don Negro on Thursday June 14, @09:56AM EST (#238)
      (User #1069 Info)
      Dude, you're good, but your still not quite up to MEEPT!!! standards.

      Try a little less ideology, and spend a little more time crafting 'a-ha' moments which really give the impression that you know what you're talking about.

      The one about the Moon was good, though.

      Don Negro
      Abstract Artist, Concrete Analyst, Ruthless Bookie

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WTF?!?!? (Score:-1, Flamebait)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @08:31AM EST (#150)
I've been reading these comments and without fail, I start reading one that has some ludicrous "facts" and claims to have "proof" of something... Then I scroll down to the bottom and what do I see?

Jon Erikson, Senior consultant, NPO Technologies

You've got to be one of the most deluded zealots I've ever heard or seen. Or maybe you're just the most vocal...
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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0, Offtopic)
by jonathanjo (thridstuff@mailexpire.com ) on Thursday June 14, @08:41AM EST (#158)
(User #415010 Info) http://jonathanjo.home.mindspring.com
Pardon me, but why do people keep modding this Bob Jones U. knuckle-dragger up? His first post was modded as "Funny" and I assumed he was joking until I saw his bio. I couldn't be bothered to go back & read all his poppycock, but my favorite comment title is "Menstruation is a Sin". We've all heard the creationist arguments before, but this crap about how "Berkeley liberals" invented "Native Americans" just takes the cake. Like the French-Indian War, Custer's Last Stand, the Trail of Tears -- none of it happened! I guess "Berkeley liberals" doctored up all the surviving US maps from the Civil War era, showing the land now known as Oklahoma as "Indian Territory."

If it does all happen to be a big troll, then congratulations, Jon, it's very well done, you've fooled me. If you really do believe all this, how can you stand it here?


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    Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0, Offtopic)
    by iainl on Thursday June 14, @09:49AM EST (#230)
    (User #136759 Info)
    Tell me he's a troll and doesn't believe it. Please. From his bio entry: "After becoming disgusted with the degenerate nature of modern America and the insidious control of Liberals in the American Government, I moved to London"

    WHAT!!! He was disgusted with America, land of the NRA and capital punishment so moved to London, home of some of the most strict gun control laws in the western world, where our governing party look like near-communists when compared to how 'left' the Democrats are??? Where the right-wing opposition have just lost an election with the smallest number of votes for their party since the beginning of universal suffrage, and are a standing joke? Any moment now I expect he will take offence and move again. To a hippy commune somewhere in southern France no doubt.
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      Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @03:26PM EST (#364)
      Haha! OK, if any of you went to Ohio State University, you've probably seen Brother Jed preachin' on the Oval. Jon seems like the same sort of character. I'm a Christian, but he obviously doesn't show a lot of respect for non-Christians. That's just mean. I've got plenty of non-Christian friends, that I do hang out with from time to time, and I don't slam them for everything that we have differences on. I befriend them. So yeah, he's a troll, just remember that he might have fallen a little off his rocker and doesn't really represent what Christianity and God are really all about. And of course, you can tell his trollyness and disconcern for others by the illogical thinking he does on many issues.
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        Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 15, @03:17AM EST (#430)
        (replying anonymously, because we are heading ever further offtopic).

        Don't worry, I don't think that mainstream Christians are like him. I know its the standard bigot defence that 'some of my best friends are ', but in this case its true that my girlfriend and most of our friends are Christians, so I know that Jon's offensive rubbish isn't representative. The only thing of debate here is whether he is a knowing troll, or genuinely belives what he says.
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    Amazing example of performance "art" (Score:1, Offtopic)
    by Zach Frey (zfrey@bright.net) on Thursday June 14, @09:50AM EST (#231)
    (User #17216 Info) http://www.bright.net/~zfrey/

    If it does all happen to be a big troll, then congratulations, Jon, it's very well done, you've fooled me. If you really do believe all this, how can you stand it here?

    I say troll. Clearly, "Jon Erikson" is a very nasty satirist with far too much free time on his hands.

    Look. I grew up in a Fundamentalist family. I was Fundamentalist for a long time. I have family and friends who went to BJU. If you look hard enough, you can find people who think little bits and pieces like this. But the whole flamin' deadpan package? Doesn't exist in Real Life(tm). He's trolling, and counting on the general anti-Fundamentalist prejudices of the Slashdot crowd to take these rantings as "typical" of Evangelical/Fundamentalist Christianity, when they are not.

    And the "skeptical" "critical" "thinkers" of Slashdot are falling for it hook, line, and sinker ...


    There are those who hate Christianity and call their hatred an all-embracing love for all religions.
    -- G. K. Chesterton


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    Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:1)
    by GPLwhore on Thursday June 14, @01:37PM EST (#333)
    (User #455583 Info)
    Bob Jones University is a very fine school despite the fact that they put so much emphasis on religion.
    If you want to get great classical education this is the place to go to.

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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @08:44AM EST (#166)
Your sir, are an utter fool.

There is certainly enough data available to prove the existence of Native American peoples, scads of it collected prior to 1950. Records of the early fur trading companies abound with information about the natives, particularly their hunting and trapping habits. Books and journals, provably written in earlier times, can be found in abundance that describe the tribes and the white man's encounters with them. Indeed there are entire wars that involved native tribes.

Politics have nothing to do with the Native Americans or the evidence supporting their existence, This era's political correctness tends to add a rose colored view of them, but their existence is doubted only by the most extreme of conspiracy theorists. While I would agree that the left has attempted to propagate a sense of white shame over the treatment of the Native Americans that doesn't mean they invented them wholly.

Go to any of the excellent natural history museums that dot the country. Look over the material there and then tell me that you really believe these cultures are a myth. Where did they get all of those artifacts if not from Native Americans? Surely you can't believe that a collective of radicals bent on making us all feel bad could have fabricated all of that? Go to a reservation and speak to some of the tribal elders and see how you feel. Read the records of the Pony Express. Look through the journals of the men who worked for the fur trading companies. It is all there, it all predates any desire for self degradation from the intellectual community.

While conspiracy theories are often enjoyable to read and sometimes even sound plausible in the face of ignorance you must realize that they remain theories for a reason. You will never get a shred of hard evidence from the crowd that promotes them, yet on the other side of them argument you will find mountains of it. I've heard your arguments about the native cultures of the United States before. They failed to stand the test of evidence then as they do now. You should be ashamed to spread such obvious falsehoods.

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Yes, and great great grandparents are fantasy. (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Maveryk on Thursday June 14, @08:45AM EST (#167)
(User #201991 Info)

By the same logic one might argue that great great grandparents don't exist, simply because you haven't seen them with your own eyes. One could argue that Canada didn't exist until WWI. One could argue that WWII never took place. One could argue that we weren't born so much as magically appearing the first day of sentient memory and self-actualization.

This of course is absurd, and I truly hope that you're joking (it's so hard to detect the difference between satire, sarcasm, and just plain mean spirit through text alone). Out of curiousity, what is there to be gained by claiming that the Native American's never existed? Furthermore how can you prove your hypothesis? and yes frankly I must demand proof, as we do have proof that Native American's exist, contrary to your claims.... including the fact that there are a good number of people walking around that, if not Native American, must have sprouted from the ground one day in the '40s and magically developed a the remains of a thriving society over the course of a decade. Of course, what this doesn't explain are the considerable sums of money paid long before the '50s and '60s toward the preservation of Native American organizations, often by right-wing contributors.

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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0, Offtopic)
by Johann (jccann[at]home[dot]com) on Thursday June 14, @08:50AM EST (#176)
(User #4817 Info) http://members.home.net/jccann/

Clearly, you have a dizzying intellect...
--
"In the land of the brave and the free, we defend our freedom with the GNU GPL."
-RMS

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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0, Offtopic)
by lumpenprole (lumpenprole@yahoo_don't_spam_me_you_bastards.com) on Thursday June 14, @09:32AM EST (#211)
(User #114780 Info) http://www.theomnivore.net
Even more interesting that my great-grandfather, around the turn of the century, lived with these "imported tribesmen from the Amazon." He would have been real suprised to hear that they were made up in the 60's. Especially after he married one. It must be freeing to have opinions unburdened by the sense that you might be wrong.
"Certainly it constitutes bad news if the people who agree with you are buggier than batshit" -Phillip K. Dick
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why I know this is a troll: (Score:1)
by crayz on Thursday June 14, @09:32AM EST (#212)
(User #1056 Info)
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=564792

Notice when that was posted. Nice try, though.

Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: read it

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I am a native American. I was born in America. (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @09:45AM EST (#226)
Would you attempt to hold ME responsible if my great grandfather killed someone 100 years before I was born?

So how can you hold me responsible for what dead men did to other dead men?

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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:-1, Offtopic)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @09:51AM EST (#233)
how the fuck does this troll keep getting his racist/sexist anti-everything-but-christianity crap modded up? just look at his bio and recent postings. hopefully someone will end his life and make the world a slightly better place.
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    Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:-1, Troll)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @10:14AM EST (#250)
    Because people on slashdot are hungry for something:

    The Truth.

    We're sick of hearing the blasphemous lies about religion, sex, and computers. Jon Erikson tells the truth. The pure, crimson truth.
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Dan Akroyd (Score:0, Offtopic)
by thelexx on Thursday June 14, @10:15AM EST (#251)
(User #237096 Info)
said it best:

"Jane you ignorant slut!"

LEXX
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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, @03:30PM EST (#365)
Hey Jon, you're giving Christians like me (who love others, not just our self-righteous ways) a bad name. Please stop. I post anonymously so that I can maintain my user id's high karma (48 right now) and continue to provide slashdot with an intelligent, loving, Christian perspective that is heard, and not automatically filtered out as a troll. So please quit spouting your "Christian" rhetoric (it's not the right rhetoric).
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Re:"Native" Americans: An absurd liberal myth (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 28, @09:27PM EST (#482)
He said:
"Not only are there no contemporary documents that support the existence of these fantasy "natives..."

How about the bible, buddy? Who was it written by again? When? And you want throw out the history of Native Americans because you cant find "contemporary documents." And the book of Mormon doesn't count as contemporary. I wonder what those poor folk on reservations across our great nation would say. Granted it would have been passed down a few generations.

He said:
"And so we must file this lie in the same trash dumpster as the (extremely overexaggerated) stories of so-called "slavery" of the 1800s."

Ok, perhaps you missed the photos of black men in union uniforms fighting to free their brothers during the civil war. I certainly remember them. Or perhaps they were doctored. Give me a break.
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