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I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1, Flamebait)
by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:22AM EST (#14)
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This is just another typical geek response to the end of the world scenario. "But how would be get our computers back" the geek wails, utterly oblivious to the fact that in any kind of realistic scenario that could destroy all of the computing power in the world, people would be more concerned about surviving than being able to play Quake deathmatches.

One question that I've thought about is "If the end of the world was coming, what good would you do?". Some people would be leaders, some would have the skills to grow food or hunt whilst doctors could help the injured.

But geeks? They would be the first ones to perish.

The typical *nix sysadmin or Perl hacker has a very specialised set of skills that only counts within the narrow environment in which they are confortable operating in. Take that environment away, and said hacker is like a fish out of water. And with the vast lack of social skills they possess, they can't even integrate into the hunter-gatherer groups of the post-apocolyptic world.

Computing is not the first priority in this situation, nor is it even in the top ten. Asking this question shows nothing other than how tenuous the grasp of geeks is on reality, and just how little chance of survivial they would have in such a scenario...

"Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:2)
by OlympicSponsor on Wednesday February 28, @10:25AM EST (#26)
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It's Jon Erikson again! Good try with your "people come first" junk, but since the hypothetical question specifically stated that only computer stuff was destroyed, I doubt you get many takers.
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    Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:-1, Flamebait)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @10:25AM EST (#27)
    OlympicSponsor is Insightful, Informative, Interesting, Underrated and Funny. You've got to agree with someone like OlympicSponsor.

    Listen, if OlympicSponsor disagrees with you, it's time to reinspect your entire life, because OlympicSponsor is very smart. OlympicSponsor does not make mistakes.

    If not, and OlympicSponsor has posted something that supports your position, you should count yourself lucky! OlympicSponsor has honored you by doing so. The most reasonable way for you to thank OlympicSponsor would be for you to offer OlympicSponsor a quarter. OlympicSponsor can never have too many quarters!

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    Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:1)
    by CyberXine (Ryan.runge@charchrist.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:27AM EST (#32)
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    Exactly.
    Ryan "the Moped" Runge
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    Well, color me stupid (Score:1, Flamebait)
    by OlympicSponsor on Wednesday February 28, @10:34AM EST (#59)
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    You got at least 2 (or maybe 3) people to mod this crap up. I have to hand it to you--you sure know how to reel them in. Of course, it's been so long since I saw a "Jon Erikson" post (and where's "Dan Hayes" these days) there's probably a lot of moderators who don't know you.
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      Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:-1, Flamebait)
      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @10:34AM EST (#61)
      OlympicSponsor is Insightful, Informative, Interesting, Underrated and Funny. You've got to agree with someone like OlympicSponsor.

      Listen, if OlympicSponsor disagrees with you, it's time to reinspect your entire life, because OlympicSponsor is very smart. OlympicSponsor does not make mistakes.

      If not, and OlympicSponsor has posted something that supports your position, you should count yourself lucky! OlympicSponsor has honored you by doing so. The most reasonable way for you to thank OlympicSponsor would be for you to offer OlympicSponsor a quarter. OlympicSponsor can never have too many quarters!

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      Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:2)
      by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @10:56AM EST (#153)
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      I've been on /. for quite a while, and I don't remember him. So I looked up his bio:
      I was born in Kansas 31 years ago and was educated at Bob Jones University and am proud to be a decent, God-fearing Christian who firmly believes in the inerrant nature of the Bible and Conservatism as a way of life. After becoming disgusted with the degenerate nature of modern America and the insidious control of Liberals in the American Government, I moved to London where I work as a top-flight IT consultant for NPO Technologies advising businesses on setting up their mission-critical enterprise platforms for b2b and b2c solutions.
      Hmmm... after becoming disgusted with American Liberals, he moved to London! Oh, yeah, they're certainly less degenerate and liberal there. England is way more of a welfare state than the U.S. ... But that's okay, he's a top-flight IT guy! Not to mention that a substantial percentage of Brits are athiest -- hardly a conservative, god-fearing nation. Lol.

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        Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:1)
        by Delphis on Wednesday February 28, @12:25PM EST (#355)
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        LOL!

        Having been born in London and now moved to the USA (the Midwest no less) I had to let you know I agree too with what you say :)

        Not that people around here are crazy bible bashers.. far from it. Many have their faith and that's good for them. Some though (and I'm sure you'll find these people everywhere) say they are religious, they go to church on Sundays but then they seem to FORGET all that they heard or should have picked up from the bible. Things like not being judgemental, not looking down on people if they disagree with you, being considerate of all people and creatures and accepting that people have their own opinions which they are entitled to. Makes me wonder how people like that think they are better people for it.

        Still.. this is probably already the start of a /. holy war so I'll stop now.

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          It's for their own good (Score:1, Offtopic)
          by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:32PM EST (#364)
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          *sigh*

          The reason concerned Christians attempt to teach others the error of their ways is simple - without accepting Jesus into your life as your saviour you are destined to end up in Hell paying for your sins.

          We try because we care.

          Only those who do not truly love their fellow men could ignore the misguided beliefs of the athiest and the heathen - compassion forces one to act to save their eternal souls.

          "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:1)
            by Delphis on Wednesday February 28, @12:38PM EST (#376)
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            How dare you say that about me?!?!?!

            You don't know me. It's clear too you didn't read what I posted about being judgemental either.

            I believe in spiritualism and doing good by people no matter what they believe in. I am very compassionate to everyone and I object to your insinuations otherwise.

            We try because we care

            That sounds SO weak and whiney it's amazing and EXACTLY the sort of crap that many 'religious' types spout. 'Because you don't conform to what WE think, you're crap'.

            Well fuck you very much.

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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:1, Troll)
              by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:43PM EST (#382)
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              How dare you say that about me?!?!?!

              Easy, tiger! I don't recall saying anything about you in particular at all. I can accept that people with misguided beliefs can be good people who think they are doing the right thing. It's just not their fault that they are wrong, and it's the job of decent Christians like me to show them the error of their ways.

              People can't help being wrong. Today's society has lost it's moral compass, and instead preaches moral relativism as if it were true.

              That sounds SO weak and whiney it's amazing and EXACTLY the sort of crap that many 'religious' types spout. 'Because you don't conform to what WE think, you're crap'.

              I'm sorry if you feel challenged by the truth. Once you accept the light of the Lord into your heart things will become a lot clearer.

              "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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              don't misunderstand (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:50PM EST (#466)
              I believe in spiritualism and doing good by people no matter what they believe in. I am very compassionate to everyone

              Nobody's implying that you're a bad person, at least in human terms. The Bible teaches that not one person is good enough to be justified by his or her own merit. The Christian message is not one of judgementalism, but rather one of good news. The bad news is that no matter how good we are, we are still sinful and separated from God, condemned to punishment for our sins. The good news is that we can be redeemed from this just condemnation by trusting Jesus as our Lord and savior. He, sinless, was punished for all who believe and place their faith in him.

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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:35PM EST (#445)
              Hmmmm... I'm sure it was that same sense of compassion and carring that drove Torquemada to torture and kill thousands of Jews and Moslems. I'm sure it was that same caring and decency that compelled Queen Isabella to fund and support him. I'm sure the hearts of the Salem townspeople glowed with a Christlike aura as they burned innocent men and women at the stake out of concern for their well being. That's the problem with Fundamentalist Christianity, with its whole "We're better than everyone else" attitude. It doesn't take very much to tip them off from "We're doing good work telling the Truth" to "We're gonna MAKE everyone see the Truth, and woe to those who stand in our way!!" Ahhh...whats the use. Fundamentalism stops a thinking mind anyhow. Can't debate with someone who refuses to think.
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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:2)
              by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @01:35PM EST (#446)
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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:1)
              by Hiro Antagonist (m3@ag3nts1x.n3t) on Wednesday February 28, @01:41PM EST (#455)
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              Who are you to declare what truth is? I'm somewhat religious (Jewish), but I -- unlike you -- make no arrogant pretence to see the eye of God. I'm sorry that you seem to be challenged by reality.

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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:0)
            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:10PM EST (#418)

            We try because we care.

            Oh God, save me from your followers
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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:2)
            by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @01:14PM EST (#425)
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            We try because we care

            Pavin' that road to hell, aren't you?

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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:0, Flamebait)
            by jotaeleemeese on Wednesday February 28, @02:30PM EST (#500)
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            Oh well, what the heck...

            It is most insulting that there are people out there that don't respect the ways of life of others pretending that "they care".

            "Concerned Christians" are reponsible for the Inquisition, Apartheid, Fascism and Nazism, the conquest, domination and extermination of native peoples all around the globe and the Mad Cow Disease.

            Please don't love us, you have shown that love kills....

            "Concerned Christians", yeah...


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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:2)
              by operagost on Wednesday February 28, @05:03PM EST (#555)
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              "Concerned Christians" are reponsible for the Inquisition, Apartheid, Fascism and Nazism, the conquest, domination and extermination of native peoples all around the globe and the Mad Cow Disease.

              And don't forget baby-eating. Where the hell do you get this stuff?

              Dust off that VT100 and head over to operagost.com for Reagan-era gaming!

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              Re:It's for their own good (Score:1)
              by jotaeleemeese on Thursday March 01, @02:57PM EST (#674)
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              Well, where not Christians the Inquisition guys?
              The Aprtheid bigots even had their own Christain Church.
              Mussolini & Co and Hitler & Co were Christians, mind you.
              The Spaniards that cleansed the Americas from most native people, enslaving the few ones left, were also "concerned christians".
              The English (or British, whatever) that exterminated native population in Tasmania, Maoris in NZ and almost did it in Australis, were also Christians.

              The Mad Cow Disease was ironic.

              There you are, no need to eat babies, reality is as bad....


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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:1, Flamebait)
            by FFFish on Wednesday February 28, @02:32PM EST (#501)
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            LOL.
             
            Sorry, Jon, but you try because you've bought into a particularly well-designed meme: that *you* will be saved only if *you* try to save others.
             
            It's a malicious and destructive meme.
             
            Indeed, it makes an excellent model for computer viruses. Imagine receiving an EMail virus that popped up a dialog box stating your two choices: (A) ignore the meme, and it will erase your hard drive; or (B) send the meme to everyone in your addressbook, and it will not erase your hard drive.
             
            Most people would choose (B), not realizing that there is a third choice: reboot the system and erase the virus.
             
            You've fallen hook, line and sinker for option (B), Jon. And the only people you're fooling are those people who don't realize that there's a third option.
             
            The rest of us... well, we're kind of abhorrently amused by the antics of you and your ilk. :-)

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              You know nothing (Score:2)
              by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @06:13PM EST (#583)
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              Sorry, Jon, but you try because you've bought into a particularly well-designed meme: that *you* will be saved only if *you* try to save others.

              No, you're totally missing the point. I will be saved. I know this, because I accept the love of Jesus Christ into my life as saviour. Nothing more is needed. I do not have to do anything about anyone else to qualify for Heaven.

              But it is my moral duty to try and help the misguided and ignorant to achieve salvation as well. As a decent Christian I cannot stand back and let these people descend into Hell without trying to save them.

              It's people like you however, that make our job so difficult, and Satan's so easy.

              "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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            Re:It's for their own good (Score:0)
            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @09:34PM EST (#614)
            You fucking christian. Get the fuck out of this forum.


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          Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:2)
          by cavemanf16 (cavemanf16@yahoo.NOSPAM.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:51PM EST (#395)
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          Please check out my previous post today regarding the cartilage debate: To debunk some of the myths on this debate...

          I hope that everyone understands that Bible freaks, like me, can also be very open to listening to others here on slashdot. Seeing other viewpoints makes me think about my own convictions and ideas about life. I like that. Sorry this is so far off topic...

          But to drag it back on topic, as for rebooting the world, if anything we'll just experience a long period of time of stagnancy. The Dark Ages were basically an oppressive time for the masses due to state instuted churches which were corrupt. During this time, technology was just stagnant, it didn't really go backwards to dancing in the trees and hunting fish all day. So losing all our computers would certainly be a slowdown for technology, but the eventual revival of computing technologies would come whether we would want it or not. (Or whether the government would want it or not).

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          Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:0)
          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @12:52PM EST (#396)

          Not just a /. holy war, a real holy war ;-)

          The words and actions of some of the "religious" in America make this religious American pray for the world (and vote for Nader).


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      Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:2, Troll)
      by scrytch on Wednesday February 28, @11:14AM EST (#218)
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      Well aren't you the master troll fighter ... he did make a point, which you, ah, seem to have subsequently proved by refusing to address it. Geeks don't seem to acknowledge the existence of a world outside their sphere of interest, which would make them pretty ripe for the plucking once that world falls.

      That wasn't a religious fundie troll he posted, and I don't think anyone is impressed by your grasp of slashdot history.
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        Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:1)
        by jonnystiph (will@yogurt66.Ih8spam.org) on Wednesday February 28, @01:06PM EST (#414)
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        what we really need in this thread is one more person stereotyping "what geeks (blank)". Nothing like piling stereotypes on your own culture is there. geeks are people, people are different, therefore they behave in different ways. Not all geeks like computers, shocking I know, I know, but very true. So with that said, I am taking my $.02 and leaving this thread.

        Will

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      Re:Well, color me stupid (Score:0)
      by Bob Costas (deeznutsclan@hotmail.com) on Wednesday February 28, @01:48PM EST (#465)
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      I have to hand it to you--you sure know how to reel them in.

      Yet look at the responses to your own "meta-troll". This is actually worse than a real troll, because you manage to spawn entirely irrelevant and pedantic off-topic discussions and thwart and lively ON-TOPIC debate that might take place.

      Please, do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.
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      OLYMPIC SPONSOR SPONSORS OLSEN TWINS!! (Score:0)
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    Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:2, Interesting)
    by Faulty Dreamer (dreamer@spamoff.faultydreams.org) on Wednesday February 28, @11:10AM EST (#205)
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    Question for you, Mr. Sponsor:
    If only "computer stuff" is destroyed, would that not have an effect on nearly all aspects of modern life? It wouldn't just be the computer on your desktop that doesn't work, or that laptop you lug through the airport. It would be your car, your TV (no TV without computers, oh god no!), your radio, probably your electicity in all forms, your transportation unless you use the old horse and buggy, your supply lines beyond foot and the aforementioned horse and buggy (do you really think a grocery store could continue to be stocked with food suplies taking months to make it there?), and nearly anything else you could think of.

    So I ask, what exactly is your point? If just computer junk is destroyed, you have destroyed the foundation of modern America (and most other modern countries, hell, even some backwater countries). Government would not be much help if they can't quickly move troops, supplies, and news. There would be nothing left of modern society without computers and electronics. In short, we would be completely, and utterly fucked. And that's the polite way of saying it.

    I really doubt rebuilding computers would be a priority in that situation. It would be a little more important to find food, water (the pipes wouldn't be flowing so good without their computer controlled water plants pushing it through), and keeping warm in the coler regions. I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken if you think you could just waltz home, turn on the tube, and watch the geeks crying in the streets over the loss of their computers. You would be crying over the loss of your microwave, and your inability to hunt rabbits or any other game more likely.


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      Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:1)
      by dlkf on Wednesday February 28, @01:21PM EST (#431)
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      I really doubt rebuilding computers would be a priority in that situation.

      I disagree. One of the highest priorities would be to quickly restore infrastructure(electricity, water, etc). The fastest way to do that would be to replace the dead computers with working ones. Even if it takes a year to build another computer, that is much faster than trying to rebuild a power plant so that it does not use computers. Granted, it all depends on how long it would take to build a new computer, but I wouldnt just give up on all the existing infrastructure so quickly.

      You are trying to look only at the immediate state of the world without thinking about the future. Yes, food, water and heat will be the top priority and we would be unable to satisfy these needs using the dead equipment, but the only way to support a nation that was so reliant on computers is to find a way to build them again and quickly. Any plan you come up with to satisfy the immediate need for food and water and heat that does not use computers will not sustain a population of hundreds of millions of people. You can support a large population without massive infrastructure for a couple months or even a year, but pretty soon, people will start dropping like flies of malnutrition and exposure. The only way to prevent that is to have some sort of infrastructure that can handle the entire population and that will require computers.

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        Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:1)
        by Faulty Dreamer (dreamer@spamoff.faultydreams.org) on Wednesday February 28, @03:11PM EST (#523)
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        If all computers were wiped out in a way that prevented you from using even old versions, I really doubt that you would be able to build new computers before the die-off would begin. More than likely, the panic at the loss of Britney Spears, Backstreet Boys, television stupidity, and radio morons would probably spark a huge loss of life as people riot in the streets clamouring for a chance to have their precious entertainment. The remaining people would riot when they realized that food would not be easily obtained, or obtained at all. I still say computers would be far from most people's minds for a long, long time after something like this.

        I think your estimate of recreating computers in a year to be very, very inadequate. It would take much longer than that if we were starting from scratch. Much, much longer.


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          Re:Old Troll Week on Slashdot? (Score:1)
          by onepoint (giveittome@artistcorner.tv) on Wednesday February 28, @05:52PM EST (#577)
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          Die offs... that only part of it. I would think that there would be a lack of communication, only those who know morse code could make a living (no computer used), next farmers should be able to survive by stock piling there foods they should be able to trade and barter for fuel. Next would be the Handy man. Can fix just about anything and should be able to make a living. and lastly police. They have the guns don't they. Buy your protection.

          Doctors / Lawyers ... well they die off rather quick. Who needs a doctor when your worried about food in your belly, and if your shot they are going to blast another hole in you anyway.

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    OLYMPIC SPONSOR SPONSORS OLSEN TWINS!! (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01, @11:22PM EST (#684)
    I just LOVE OlympicSponsor's site! Especially the "fash" section, where I learned to cut the bottom off of an old shirt to use as a hair enhancement! Oh, and the "dance party" photos!

    Of course, don't forget to read OlympicSponsor's emails! Here you will discover how truly difficult it is to decide what to do on the weekends... have a pizza party? A fash party? Go to the mall with all of your friends? Have a sleepover and call boys on the phone?

    In short, if you haven't checked out OlympicSponsor's site, you don't know what you're missing!
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by CyberXine (Ryan.runge@charchrist.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:25AM EST (#29)
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You didn't even answer the man's question. All you did was rant about how geeks wouldn't have a spot in a post-apocolyptic world.
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
    by gimpboy (jmh3@penguinpowered.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:41AM EST (#284)
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    i think he answered it in a way. if the event were to happen developement of computers would be secondary at best to main concerns of people (food, shelter, etc). because of this people probably wouldnt worry that much about redeveloping computers. which is a good answer to the original question:

    "What would we do differently if we didn't have fifty years worth of legacy systems to continue maintaining?"

    we probably wouldnt do anything with computers at all, but rather worry about the problems created by not having computers. there is a point at which we would redevelop computers. since all digital information was destroyed (cdrom's, disks etc), and most dead tree stuff would have been long decayed/burned for fire at this point, we would probably not have much of the mistakes of the past to learn from.

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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by Sc00ter (travis@scootz.net) on Wednesday February 28, @10:26AM EST (#30)
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This is very true, but most geeks have other skills as well. Mostly some sort of orginization. The problem is that most of the slashdot people don't understand what you're saying and will probably try to get names and addresses out of their palm pilot before planting the next crop of food and then they'll die.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by mtnbkr on Wednesday February 28, @10:30AM EST (#43)
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Good response. However, not all geeks are helpless without their computers. Some of us know how to hunt, fish, grow vegetables and treat injuries.

You can get pretty damn geeky about those subjects as well :)

Chris
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @10:32AM EST (#52)
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Hey! In your take on his hypothetical scenario, everything would be a "Quake Deathmatch!" So you're right, people wouldn't be worried about simulated deathmatches!

And who's to say that geeks won't form their own survival groups? After all, they love technology first and foremost -- they are geeks -- and the latest spear technology might excite them! Plus, no patent office to enshrine "method and apparatus for one-throw fish aquisition with pointy stick device."

Heck, geeks might THRIVE in the post-apocalypse! Much better than those lawyers, politicians, thinktank puddingheads, and Oprah fans that have great social skills!

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    Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:2, Flamebait)
    by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:43AM EST (#98)
    (User #198204 Info)

    Despite their love for violent computer games and anime, I vey much doubt that a group full of geeks, no matter what their skills, would be able to compete with some of the violent people that would exist in such a world.

    There would be those that would create nothing and instead live by stealing from others, using violence as their weapon. Would your average geek, more interested in building for the future, be able to deal with this sort of person?

    I doubt it.

    "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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      Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:2)
      by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @10:45AM EST (#109)
      (User #53039 Info) http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/
      Considering a large number of your "average geeks" are either gun nuts, trained in some martial art, or both, I'd say they could cope pretty well. Plus, all that training that Quake gives them!

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        the training Quake gives them? (Score:2, Funny)
        by streetlawyer (johnsaulmontoya@MAJORPORTALENDINGINEXCLAMATIONPOIN) on Wednesday February 28, @10:50AM EST (#133)
        (User #169828 Info)
        You'd be surprised how much similarity there is between running through dark cellars, fighting for your life with a shotgun and sitting on your fat ass playing computer games and masturbating. Absolutely none; I was amazed.



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          Re:the training Quake gives them? (Score:1)
          by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @11:03AM EST (#175)
          (User #53039 Info) http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/
          I know you're just being smarmy, but the U.S. Military actually uses first-person shooters -- even modified version of DOOM -- to train its soldiers, to produce the appropriate mentality.

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            Right (Score:2)
            by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:07AM EST (#187)
            (User #198204 Info)

            Along with team-building exericses, plenty of physical training and real-life combat simulations as well. Not just Quake and pizza I'm afraid.

            You may think you're some kind of 1337 killing machine because you can hit a 3D representation of another player over the net whilst maintaining low ping times, but you're not. Sorry.

            "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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              Re:Right (Score:2)
              by 1010011010 (1010011010@PORKSHOULDERANDHAMholly-springs.nc.us) on Wednesday February 28, @11:14AM EST (#222)
              (User #53039 Info) http://www.flyingbuttmonkeys.com/
              You may think you're some kind of 1337 killing machine because you can hit a 3D representation of another player over the net whilst maintaining low ping times, but you're not. Sorry.


              Hahahahaha! Unlike you, I can separate reality from fiction. Jesus! I'm kidding! I'm making fun of you! I'm not really trying to counter your moronic, irrelevant argument! Ask a few of those English chaps to explain humor to you...

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              Re:Right (Score:2, Insightful)
              by Wyatt Earp (wyatt@nospame.aracnet.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:21AM EST (#241)
              (User #1029 Info) http://www.bloodshed.org
              Actually, I'm a pretty decent shot with either a Mossberg 590, Glock Model 22, Uzi Eagle .40 or a BFG.

              So maybe you should stop trolling here...go teach some IT classes at Bob Jones U and stop generalizing geeks as pizza eating Quake fiends that don't get out much.
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              With a uid like that why aren't I suprised? (Score:0, Flamebait)
              by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:32AM EST (#269)
              (User #198204 Info)

              Actually, I'm a pretty decent shot with either a Mossberg 590, Glock Model 22, Uzi Eagle .40 or a BFG.

              Ah yes, the alternative to the pizza-eating Quake weenie geek, it's the gun-loonie geek, as championed by ESR and his dubious moral stance equating guns and freedom, despite the definite moral stance against violence given in the Ten Commandments.

              So maybe you should stop trolling here...go teach some IT classes at Bob Jones U and stop generalizing geeks as pizza eating Quake fiends that don't get out much.

              Trolling? Now that would make it easy for you people wouldn't it, because then you could just easily assume that you were right and carry on living in your happy little soma world.

              Sorry, but the fact is that the term "geek" is there for a reason - it describes a group of people defined by collective traits. Sure, some are worse than others, but as a whole they are marked by a lack of team-skills, and in this kind of scenario the ability to play as part of a team is essential to long-term survival.

              "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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              Sure, but just one question (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:54AM EST (#313)
              Did spiralx give this account away? And will be seeing Dan Hayes poping up again in the next week or so? Really now; enquiring minds want to know.
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              Ahem (Score:1)
              by Xuther on Wednesday February 28, @12:29PM EST (#360)
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              Not everyone follows the christian path and believes in the ten commandments. Besides, it says thou shall not kill, not thou shall not maim, harm, injure, defend thyself, or beat the shit outta someone who deserves it. And as others have said not all geeks are pizza eating quake mongers. Sure I like pizza, but I also like hiking, camping, target shooting, hell I read survival manuals and army field manuals in my spare time. Geekdom encompasses a lot more than just computers.
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              Re:With a uid like that why aren't I suprised? (Score:1)
              by Delphis on Wednesday February 28, @12:32PM EST (#365)
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              as a whole they are marked by a lack of team-skills

              Jeez.. you come off sounding like a real clueless fuckwit, you know that?

              Many people who YOU might consider geeks are IT professionals who work in teams DAILY to do their job. Teamwork is a very important skill and many people know that. Just because there may be those that don't know how to work as a team but they are most certainly the MINORITY.

              At least get your facts straight before you start sounding off about something.

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              Re:With a uid like that why aren't I suprised? (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @12:35PM EST (#369)
              I really don't know what source your information for saying that geeks have a lack of team-skills comes from, but I guess you have never heard of CTF (in any of the FPS games). Geeks play CTF as it requires coordination (amongst team members), skill, and working towards a common goal (sounds suspiciously like team-skills to me). Script (or pr0n) kiddies like you can't handle the thinking and so you mindlessly run around shooting in the non-team based versions of FPS's, waiting for a team of us geeks to come hunt you down (it is something like fox or pheasant hunting). :)

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              Just my observations (Score:2)
              by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:47PM EST (#387)
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              Jeez.. you come off sounding like a real clueless fuckwit, you know that?

              Many people who YOU might consider geeks are IT professionals who work in teams DAILY to do their job. Teamwork is a very important skill and many people know that. Just because there may be those that don't know how to work as a team but they are most certainly the MINORITY

              Just things I've noticed when working in various projects. The project managers tend to be reviled for ensuring that the coders actually do their job as part of a team, rather than just sitting down and hacking out some "oh, it'll do the job" code.

              And this certainly wasn't the minority attitude. Just look at all of the acronyms used here for the people in charge, like PHB. They're all derogatory.

              "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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              "Love thy neighbour" (Score:2)
              by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:50PM EST (#391)
              (User #198204 Info)

              Not everyone follows the christian path and believes in the ten commandments.

              Not everyone believes that it's wrong to molest children. So what?

              Besides, it says thou shall not kill, not thou shall not maim, harm, injure, defend thyself, or beat the shit outta someone who deserves it.

              Love thy neighbour? Turn the other cheek? I take it you've heard of these things? And besides, just because it doesn't explicitly say these things doesn't mean that they are permitted. To hide behind the exact letter of the Bible is no excuse for evil-doing.

              "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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              Re:"Love thy neighbour" (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:38PM EST (#450)
              Thanks for proving that it's not the GEEKS who will be lunchmeat during the apocalypse - it's the CHRISTIANS. Muahahahaha! THE GEEKS SHALL INHERIT THE EARTH.

              Why don't you move to Afghanistan or someplace that LIKES religious extremists like you - oh, because they're not pansies.

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              Re:"Love thy neighbour" (Score:1)
              by Xuther on Wednesday February 28, @05:07PM EST (#557)
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              Where do you get child molester from non-christian? And who says I'm hiding behind the letter of the bible? I don't even believe in that hogwash (in my own opinion) anyhow. Oh that's right.. I forgot the christians classify anything that doesn't follow their vision as evil. No wonder they had the dark ages and the crusades. I could care less about ignorant philosophies about turning the other cheek. When those that wrong me redeem themselves in my eyes I'll forgive them, if they continue to wrong me why should I not get back somehow? I have yet to see a time when things balance out completely and fairly. I can't stand pacifists either. If I see someone harming another I'll at least stand up and help rather than turning the other cheek. Even if it means getting my hands a bit dirty in the process.
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              Re:With a uid like that why aren't I suprised? (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:56PM EST (#637)
              Delphis - PHP is to Perl as ST:TNG is to the original series

              You're absolutely right- they're both much better.
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              Re:"Love thy neighbour" (Score:0)
              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 01, @05:00AM EST (#656)
              Are you comparing childmolesting to not being a "True Christian"?
              You dumb, silly fuck! Get a life. Im sure you hate gaypeople as well.
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          Re:the training Quake gives them? (Score:0)
          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:05AM EST (#182)
          You'd be surprised how much similarity there is between running through dark cellars, fighting for your life with a shotgun and sitting on your fat ass playing computer games and masturbating. Absolutely none; I was amazed.

          Well, if you can handle a schlong the size of mine, a shotgun is really no problem at all.
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          Re:the training Quake gives them? (Score:0)
          by Aunt Mable on Wednesday February 28, @05:46PM EST (#575)
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          Several armies use first person shooters as training for war mentality.

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        Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:09AM EST (#198)
        And also that the "geek" label no longer implies lack of athleticism and stuff (except, possibly, in america). That's actually a recent phenomenon in itself - in Europe, it's tended to be "Mens sanum in corpore sano" (Healthy mind in a healthy body) since Roman times. Niels Bohr was an olympic athlete...

        For example, I consider myself a "geek" in terms of interests. I'm 6'2", heavyset, in top rubgy-playing physical condition. You would not want to mess with me unless you had a gun (or possibly a crossbow or syringe filled with HIV infected blood (the weapon of choice among muggers here in england))


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          Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:1)
          by fprintf (fprintf@iname.dot.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:29AM EST (#262)
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          you need to legalize guns then. At least I have a fighting chance against muggers.
          You call someplace "Paradise" kiss it goodbye...
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          Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:1)
          by streetlawyer (johnsaulmontoya@MAJORPORTALENDINGINEXCLAMATIONPOIN) on Wednesday February 28, @01:21PM EST (#432)
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          I'm 6'2", heavyset, in top rubgy-playing physical condition.

          For our USian readers, "top rugby-playing physical condition" means "I have a beer belly"

          You would not want to mess with me unless you had a gun (or possibly a crossbow or syringe filled with HIV infected blood (the weapon of choice among muggers here in england))

          Bring it on, you fat cunt. The fact that you swallow tabloid stories about "syringes full of HIV infected blood" gives absolutely every reader a crystal clear indication of how much real life experience of violence you have. Unless it involves sticking your head between a prefect's legs, or playing jolly knob games in the showers, you're all talk.

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      Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @10:57AM EST (#154)
      Being a big, strong, violent idiot only takes you so far. Physical strength is useless if you are picked off from a distance by a sniper. Or have a spear thrown at you. Or a sword plunged into your chest. Or a chain wrapped around your throat. So on and so forth.

      WEAPONS MAKE SIZE IRRELEVANT AND SKILL IMPORTANT. And that, my friend, is where Quake comes in ...
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        Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:0)
        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:34AM EST (#273)
        The best thing is to be a big, strong genius with a 180 I.Q. - like me... :-)

        Remember kids, healthy mind in a healthy body - the stereotypical "physically weak nerd" is some sort of (socially damaging) anti-inteliigence stereotype cooked up by hollywood, for reasons best known to the scientologists who run it...

        That is to say, there's nothing that says a kernel hacker or EMACS god can't be in top physical condition...

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      But they would have memorized the formula for .... (Score:1)
      by GoofyBoy on Wednesday February 28, @12:22PM EST (#353)
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      ... gunpowder.

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      Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:2, Interesting)
      by CrackElf on Wednesday February 28, @12:36PM EST (#371)
      (User #318113 Info)
      I am into punk rock, ride a motorcycle, and
      work out three times a week at the dojo... did i mention my interest in martial arts and antique weaponry (katanas bo, crossbows, chain mail)? Not
      to mention that my father is an x-spcl forces
      type. I moved out when i was 14 cuz I didn't
      like my head getting beaten against walls.
      Did i mention that he was a crazy, paranoid,
      back to earth kinda guy, and i spent those first
      14 years of my life living in a home made
      underground house without running water or
      electricity learning how to survive when
      the nuclear weapons are launched?

      No survival skills??????? wtf??????

      Where do you get these ideas of 'average geek'?

          -CrackElf

      "Trust can only be betrayed by itself" -Kerr Avon, Blake's 7
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      Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:1)
      by CrackElf on Wednesday February 28, @01:04PM EST (#413)
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      So, if geeks dont have a killer instinct,
      why dont you post your home address here?

      No one will hurt you ... after all, we
      dont have 'killer instincts'. Come on,
      were all just a bunch of radically unfit
      over or under weight pushovers ...
      (insert more male postureing and
      taunting here)

      Just your address ... come on ... post
      it. We are your friends :)

            -CrackElf

      "Trust can only be betrayed by itself" -Kerr Avon, Blake's 7
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      Re:Geeks don't have that "killer instinct" (Score:1)
      by anon757 on Wednesday February 28, @02:27PM EST (#496)
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      If you dont think geeks have that "killer instinct", you've obviously never worked on a helpdesk!
      "I can eat worms! I can eat worms!!!" - Kimmi
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1, Informative)
by BELG on Wednesday February 28, @10:35AM EST (#66)
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Youre assuming that the typical computer geek has no other skills. Wrong, I say! Geeks in general tend to be excellent theorists (something that has always been important, and always will be important). Many geeks also love building things and solving problems.

Id say that geeks would certainly not be the first ones to perish (except perhaps the ones with -really- bad physique).

The "typical" computer geek does not exist! The "geeks" are in fact a range of different types of people that share one common passion. Computers. Some collect, some build, some simply slack off and play games and others document and "clean up".

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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by Konovalev on Wednesday February 28, @10:36AM EST (#68)
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I agree. The wider and IMO more interesting point here is: how far down can we be knocked before we lose the ability to climb back up? Our industrial civilisation was built on easily accessible deposits of coal, iron, oil etc. most of which no longer exist. If we lose a significant chunk of resource mining capacity, then we lose civilisation for ever. Second point: with the loss of machine-readable data, a vast amount of information would be lost -not even preserved on paper. Forget your (rather unlikely) info-disaster scenario - even losing the world satellite fleet would probably knock civilisation back (although not irrecoverably). That's the problem with survivalism - any disaster that big leaves us no hope of recovery, whether it's WWIII, meteor impact, plague or whatever. The surviving remnants of humanity would be forced to live in harmony with nature. Than which there is no worse fate. So the answer is: in a sufficiently bad disaster, no-one would be any good. Sidepoint: what makes you think most doctors would be any good? Without their X-ray machines, their antibiotics, anaesthetics, lab tests... you'd be better off with a Chinese 'barefoot doctor'. Or an army medic.
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    Post-apocalyptic Concerns (Score:1)
    by virg_mattes on Wednesday February 28, @12:51PM EST (#394)
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    > ...how far down can we be knocked before we lose
    > the ability to climb back up? Our industrial
    > civilisation was built on easily accessible
    > deposits of coal, iron, oil etc. most of which
    > no longer exist. If we lose a significant chunk
    > of resource mining capacity, then we lose
    > civilisation for ever.

    I'm sorry, but your logic doesn't follow. Civilization does not directly equate to mechanization, although the Industrial Revolution did certainly allow for advances in other unrelated fields that couldn't happen in a simpler society. The fact is that civilization is defined by the knowledge base of its civilians, not in the technology of the era. To put it more simply, I understand the concepts of electricity, and if some disaster came along that eliminated electronics and other such things, I could still use that knowledge to my benefit by, for example, building a wind- or water-powered generator out of materials already at hand (which wouldn't require mining or refining skills to do). The average farmer from the 1700's could not perform the same feat, even given the same materials, because the knowledge base just wasn't there. Once the knowledge exists, the means of implementation just requires time. Civilization cannot therefore be "lost forever" unless the people who make up the civilization all die, and then what's the point of this discussion?

    > Second point: with the loss of machine-readable
    > data, a vast amount of information would be lost
    > -not even preserved on paper. Forget your
    > (rather unlikely) info-disaster scenario
    > - even losing the world satellite fleet would
    > probably knock civilisation back (although not
    > irrecoverably).

    Again, non sequitur. Your assumption is that if communication is removed, the ability to communicate will disappear. All your satellite destruction scenario will do is slow down communications until those in the know rebuild the infrastructure.

    > That's the problem with survivalism - any
    > disaster that big leaves us no hope of recovery,
    > whether it's WWIII, meteor impact, plague or
    > whatever. The surviving remnants of humanity
    > would be forced to live in harmony with nature.
    > Than which there is no worse fate. So the answer
    > is: in a sufficiently bad disaster, no-one would
    > be any good.

    Actually, the problem with survivalism is that most survivalists are notoriously narrow of focus. They assume they know the form the apocalypse will take, and prepare for that event, only to find that if something else happens, they're not going to be very self-sufficient after all. The best example is the large number of Rocky Mountain survivalists in the 50's that thought they knew how to protect themselves from nuclear war, only to discover that their plans didn't compensate for things like nuclear winter or radioactive contamination of their land when the fallout came, or the possibility that the apocalypse would take the form of disease or climate change, because such knowledge simply didn't exist at the time.

    > Sidepoint: what makes you think most doctors
    > would be any good? Without their X-ray machines,
    > their antibiotics, anaesthetics, lab tests...
    > you'd be better off with a Chinese 'barefoot
    > doctor'. Or an army medic.

    Um, a doctor without all of the fancy equipment is a medic, goof. Again, it's the knowledge of the human body that counts here. A surgeon can (and until the later part of this century did) work without any gear fancier than a bone saw and a scalpel.

    Virg
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by riedquat on Wednesday February 28, @10:36AM EST (#70)
(User #226343 Info)
As well as writing ARM code, I can cook, brew beer and I know enough about gardening and setting traps to keep myself alive. I don't see any reason to believe that geeks are any worse at survival techniques than the vast majority of the western world.

Those who live in harsh environments now (Aborginals, Inuit, some Africans for example) will have a better chance to survive, and possibly those in the Army. Nobody else (IMHO) has any better chance of survival than anyone else.
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:0)
    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:59AM EST (#318)
    As well as writing ARM code, I can cook, brew beer and I know enough about gardening and setting traps to keep myself alive.

    Definatly an important survival skill. This man will be welcome at any compound he shows up at the gates at when the feces hits the rotary oscillator.
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Natural Selection (Score:1)
by davidmb on Wednesday February 28, @10:36AM EST (#72)
(User #213267 Info)
By allowing geeks to flourish, we're denying the forces of nature which should by rights have eliminated them from this planet.
I say let's stop this madness! What we need is a geek cull. Kill the majority of geeks and then keep the remaining few as slaves. Yes!
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:5, Insightful)
by sesquiped (sesquiped@hotmail.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:41AM EST (#89)
(User #40687 Info)
> The typical *nix sysadmin or Perl hacker has a
> very specialised set of skills that only counts
> within the narrow environment in which they are
> confortable operating in.

I'd tend to disagree: although the body of knowledge used by a sysadmin is admittedly specialized, that is true of almost any modern profession. However, to be a competent sysadmin or programmer requires lots of general intelligence as well as problem-solving skills, and in general, the ability to think rationally about things and find logical solutions. A hacker would not be "like a fish out of water" at all. He would simply transfer his skills to his new environment, just like everyone else would have to do. And there's a good chance he'd be more successful at the transfer too.

Your assumption that hackers' skills would not transfer, and your unfair generalization of their lack of social skills shows that you have a very limited (and inaccurate) idea of what a hacker actually is.
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
    by malfunct on Wednesday February 28, @10:55AM EST (#151)
    (User #120790 Info)
    The true spirit of a hacker is to take an object and make it do what you want it to no matter what that takes.

    Think back to great hacker moments like the creation of the "hackintosh" when some mac owners wanted to be able to use IDE drives in thier mac computers. Then remember back to the KIM computer that had any number of hacks from the creation of a tape drive interface for the computer to the creation of a TV display interface.

    I think the skills to take an object and transform it to your will are vastly useful. Working directly with electronics may not be important in the hypothetical world of this article, but I know that most of my geek friends also hack thier cars and bicycles and bond fires to get them to do any number of crazy things. That skill and drive and desire will make them useful in the fully restarted world.

    I mean really, can you classify the great inventors of the last century as anything other than geeks and hackers? I think that the true spirit is being lost in the .com era of making billions on ideas that never pan out. *sigh* Tis life.

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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
    by Bobo the Space Chimp on Wednesday February 28, @11:16AM EST (#227)
    (User #304349 Info)
    > A hacker would not be "like a fish out of water" at all.

    Exactly. Take a hacker and an assembly-line worker and drop them alone in the wilderness. Guess who's dead in a week? Hint: the guy who's life consists of doing nonsentient work others thought up for him.


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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
    by digitalhermit on Wednesday February 28, @12:46PM EST (#385)
    (User #113459 Info)
    I know most of the berries and roots in the SE US that are edible. I can make a fishnet from trees (really). I am well armed (Winchester Model 70 .270 and 30.06, various .22s, 1 handgun) plus have *lots* of ammunition. Oddly enough, there are several like me in my profession (Unix admin). I guess the mindsets are similar.
    The bible was wrong. It was supposed to be:
    The geeks shall inherit the earth.
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
    by BeanThere on Wednesday February 28, @07:50PM EST (#600)
    (User #28381 Info) http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Lofts/2018/

    I would go so far as to say that hacker/engineer types would actually be the ones best at surviving. They are the ones who have the smarts to actually invent and build things that are useful to survival, e.g. crude weapons and traps. I suspect that when the bow and arrow was first invented, it wasn't by the "popular jock type" primitive caveman with an IQ of 50 - it was the "nerdy weeny type" caveman with an IQ of 70. The same goes for guns, just up those IQ values a little.

    Take a look at every major invention of mankind that "regular" people use and rely on every single day (from cars to books to computers to phones to TV to electricity to reinforced concrete to planes) - virtually every single one was invented by the smart "nerdy" type people - the other 99% of us have (throughout history) just been "riding along" on the inventions of others - never actually creating anything new, just using other peoples inventions.

    If survival was primarily about physical strength, then it might have been true that hacker/engineer types would have a tough time. But for the past 10000 years or so, physical strength has played a secondary part in human survival to intelligence. Dammit, why haven't women's instincts caught up yet? :)

    "... insert the Windows NT Workstation 4.0 compact disc with your computer turned off." - NT Installation Manual

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      Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @07:55PM EST (#601)
      I saw an interesting documentary on BBC the other day. They took a group of about 6 or 7 scientists, and placed them on a small remote island, and assigned them various tasks (e.g. making soap, making olive oil for cooking, catching food, making toothpaste, making music(!) etc.) It was kind of like survivor, only without the morons and mainstream kitch stuff. It was pretty interesting to see the sort of things they came up - some pretty heady and complex stuff, the mechanics and the chemistry - quite impressive. These people were fairly specialized researchers. Anyone with less knowledge would have been screwed.

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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
    by BandiHop on Wednesday February 28, @11:18PM EST (#628)
    (User #313743 Info)
    anyone who's played a magic-user in Dungeons & Dragons knows there is more than just the magic that makes them useful .. and dangerous. -- isn't it all just metaphor anyway?
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by mr on Wednesday February 28, @10:45AM EST (#112)
(User #88570 Info)
The typical *nix sysadmin or Perl hacker has a very specialised set of skills that only counts within the narrow environment in which they are confortable operating in.

Really?

See Chairman Mao as an example of the 'elite' 'functioning' outside their training.

Computing is not the first priority in this situation, nor is it even in the top ten.

Given the lack of electricity, the food demand VS food supply issues from such a destruction of the world technology, etc la, yes quake-playing computers would be low on the list.

Want more about this: Set your browsers back to 1998-1999 and read up about the Y2K "bug". Then s/Y2K Bug/some other bug/g

If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
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    Because geeks are like Chairman Mao (Score:2)
    by Jon Erikson (eriksonj@yahoo.com) on Wednesday February 28, @11:17AM EST (#232)
    (User #198204 Info)

    See Chairman Mao as an example of the 'elite' 'functioning' outside their training.

    I very much doubt that the average geek has anywhere near the necessary force of personality and interpersonal skills required to mobilise a group of people, let alone the amount that Mao did.

    And the thing about survival is that it takes a whole load of people functioning together as a team, not people who are more used to doing things there own way and bitching about people who organise things.

    "Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it." - Locke

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      Re:Because geeks are like Chairman Mao (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:37AM EST (#277)
      "average geek???" - hmm, I think you'll find that there isn't a useful mean, since it won't deviate substantially from the population mean except in terms of higher intelligence. The american stereotype of a physically weak genius is not a worldwide phenomenon, you don't get people who are good at maths being actively excluded from the social groups surrounding sports teams in all countries in the world... The hollywood-promoted jocks-vs-nerds american misculture is not the worldwide norm.
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      Re:Because geeks are like Chairman Mao (Score:0)
      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:43AM EST (#287)
      I very much doubt that the average geek has anywhere near the necessary force of personality and interpersonal skills required to mobilise a group of people, let alone the amount that Mao did.

      And, thank the I/O gods, we don't suffer from the heroin addiction, nor the resulting contipation that you and Mao do/did.

      Have you thought of removing the stick from your Ass? That might help your constipation Jon.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by MartinG (martin@wrasse.daemon.co.uk) on Wednesday February 28, @10:49AM EST (#127)
(User #52587 Info)
vast lack of social skills they possess

how tenuous the grasp of geeks is on reality,

they can't even integrate into the hunter-gatherer

Jon,

Why does this just all sound like an unpleasant attack of a large group of people based solely on generalisation and assumption?

What happened to your tolerence of other peoples values?

-- MartinG To mail me: echo $fakeaddress | sed s/daemon/demon/
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1, Insightful)
by daemonc on Wednesday February 28, @10:49AM EST (#128)
(User #145175 Info)
I have discussed these possible "end of civilization" senarios with my geek friends on numerous occasions. We concluded that computers were far from the top of are list of priorities. We also found that we possess numerous valuable skills and together we stand a good chance at surviving and prospering in a post-apocalyptic world. With our combined skills we could rebuild automobiles, distill ethonol for fuel, generate electricity from wind and water, forge our tools and weapons from scrap metal, make gunpowder, grow our own crops. We could build a self-sustaining community with nearly all the modern convieniences.
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
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    Bull shit (Score:2)
    by FallLine on Wednesday February 28, @11:08AM EST (#195)
    (User #12211 Info)
    You might be able to survive, but being able to thrive by any means, means that you need a lot than mere intelligence and modest understanding. Even if your possess all those skills, greater society creates these things for you at such a level of efficiency that you simply take for granted how much effort they would take to create on your lonesome or with a small group of people. Such conveniences, are as a rule, created by large and developed societies, not by small groups of so-called geniuses. Even people 200 and 300 years before, who were far more acquainted with the land, could not just be set down somewhere and make a healthy existence. There are numerous examples of failings like this throughout history.
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      Re:No Bull (Score:1)
      by daemonc on Wednesday February 28, @11:28AM EST (#258)
      (User #145175 Info)
      Perhaps I should add that all my friends and I grew up in a very rural area. We all worked on farms, our families grew their own food to an extent. The area we lived in was a self-sustaining community 80 years ago. I never claimed to be a genius (although I would say that some of my friends are). But compared to someone of our same technical skills who grew up in the suburbs, I would say we have more skills that would benefit our survival. It would not be an easy life, but I stand by my claim that as a community we would prosper.
      All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
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        Re:No Bull (Score:2)
        by FallLine on Thursday March 01, @11:05AM EST (#668)
        (User #12211 Info)
        Such places are very unusual these days, especially in the developed world. Though it is probably true that those that grow up in a rural environment know a bit more about agriculture, what most of them know is today's agriculture, with technology and the rest of the world contributing to their efforts. Unless your community was some kind of idealogical effort, I doubt the extent of what you say. If you have time to spend on slashdot, _mess_ around with computers, or what have you, you in all likelyhood are well removed from the day to day toils that is involved with the production of food and other essentials at a subsistence level. I dare you to show me one low tech farming community that, without _any_ physical contributions from the outside world (such as machinary, pestisides, fertilizers, water, etc.), has truely prospered. In other words, name your community or any other. 80 years was a long time ago technologically and developmentally. Even if your grandparents understood what this meant, doesn't mean that you truely know that existence.

        I think you're kidding yourself.
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          Re:No Bull (Score:1)
          by daemonc on Friday March 02, @01:35AM EST (#686)
          (User #145175 Info)
          Notice I said "was" self-sustaining. Now the community I'm referring to is a center of poverty in one of the poorest states in the U.S. Everyone there drives at least 20 miles to work at low paying jobs to put gas in their gas-guzzling cars so they can drive 40 miles to buy groceries. This is far from the self-sustaining community it was 80 years ago, when each family would make one trip a year, if even that, to the nearest city.

          But if civilization were to suddenly come to an end, such a community could possibly form again. With the help of some "geeks"- technically minded people, some technology could be salvaged for the benefit of the community. It would not be an easy life, but I think we could survive. This was my point.
          All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:5, Funny)
by ogre2112 (ogre2112@NO.FREAKING.SPAM.nc.rr.com) on Wednesday February 28, @10:53AM EST (#147)
(User #134836 Info) http://ogg.2y.net/ogre2112/
"But geeks? They would be the first ones to perish. "

Bullshit. You're assuming all geeks are pimple-faces kids, 6 feet tall, weighing 120 pounds, right?

Just because I sit in front of a terminal all day doesn't mean I couldn't hunt you down and
rightiously kick your ass to feed my newfound cannabalism.

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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
    by CrackElf on Wednesday February 28, @11:36AM EST (#276)
    (User #318113 Info)
    Just because I sit in front of a terminal all day doesn't mean I couldn't hunt you down and
    rightiously kick your ass to feed my newfound cannabalism.

    But could you fend off the dirty unwashed
    masses who percieved you as the cause of
    their inability to download porn?
          -CrackElf
    "Trust can only be betrayed by itself" -Kerr Avon, Blake's 7
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:5, Funny)
    by Shotgun on Wednesday February 28, @11:41AM EST (#283)
    (User #30919 Info)
    That's right, Man!!

    I may be a tech geek, but I'm also 230 all-American pounds of twisted steel and sex appeal. If it all ended tomorrow I would run butt-wild naked, kill you all for food and mate with your women. Then I would make me a 733t machine from beach sand that I purify over the campfire that I start from rubbing two sticks together. Doping. We don't need no stinking doping. I would just make up a new type of PN just using leaves from an oak tree or something, just like they do on all those Star Trek episodes. Tech geeks are 733t I say, especially us suave, muscled, manly type.

    For the clueless: doping in the process of adding specific amounts of certain impurities to purified silicon in order for it to be a semi-conductor. It's also the process of adding impurities to the human body in order to get fucked-up, but that is a different post.


    Aah, change is good. -- Rafiki Yeah, but it ain't easy. -- Simba
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
    by dbarclay10 (dbarclay10_NOSPAM_@_MAPSON_yahoo.ca) on Wednesday February 28, @04:13PM EST (#530)
    (User #70443 Info) http://dharris.twu.net
    Hear hear! :)

    I'm a pretty smart geek. I wouldn't call myself a hacker. I know what the word means, and I know that I'm not one ;) However, you stick me down in front of anything technological(and give me unrestricted access) and within months I'll have it figured out, from the hardware components to the UI.

    And I'm joining the army :) Sure, I'm going to be a tech guy, but first I'll have to go through Basic Training. And I hope to get a year or two of honest-to-goodness fieldwork in.

    More than one person has sadly kept the "geek" stereotype in mind when dealing with me. They rarely came out of the encounted unscathed(most of the time they were verbally beaten; but for a few arses, whos thought they were strong, they got a sound thrashing of the physical persuation).

    Anyways, my point? I'm not some kind of superman, but I can beat the crap out of 95% of the people I see. The 5% I can't are the people that are *both* bigger than me, and smart enough to realize that I'm not some skinny, pimpled freak that doesn't know how to use what body parts he's got.

    Dave

    Barclay family motto:
    Aut agere aut mori.
    (Either action or death.)
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Not this geek (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @11:04AM EST (#178)
I'm ready. Bring it on.

I've got enough wood to heat a hundred homes for 5 years.

I've got enough food to feed 5 families indefinitely.

I've got enough ammo to defend my wood and my food.

I've also been maintaining other skills. Certainly not as a specialist, but enough to get me a steady paycheck of some small amount.

I was almost looking forward to Y2K just to see how well I'd do in an electronics blackout. Almost a shame that Yourdon and others were so far off the mark.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by CrackElf on Wednesday February 28, @11:54AM EST (#312)
(User #318113 Info)
Your ignorance is appalling.

As someone already pointed out, not all
geeks fit the stereotype, in fact, I knew
some that could out-party, out ass-kick,
and out survive you any day of the week.
Have you ever survived being homeless? Have you
ever lived without water (electricity, heat,
etc)?

No? These geeks had.

And, although computing is not the top priority
in and of itself, does not mean that estabilishing
communication, and an efficient system of information preservation would not be.

      -CrackElf

"Trust can only be betrayed by itself" -Kerr Avon, Blake's 7
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Re: just another typical geek response (Score:1)
by CodeShark (jcollins@nttg.net) on Wednesday February 28, @12:35PM EST (#370)
(User #17400 Info)
"But how would be get our computers back" the geek wails, utterly oblivious...blah blah blah..."

<RANT MODE>

Okay, let's play slam the geeks. Oblivious to what 90% of the geeks are up to which is not playing quake.

Want a good job pre-apocalypse? Try specializing in medical technology using computers. You know, those little computers that can read if you have a heartbeat, interpret an MRI, let skilled doctors around the world communicate...

Or Telecommunications, letting those doctors communicate. Or CAM (computer aided manufacturing). I could go on for pages on how the silicon God we've created is our servant, and not just a plaything.</RANT MODE>

The original question about rebuilding comes down to knowing how to build the tech. And even if the only thing that survived were a late '90's PC with the appropriate software, CD-ROM knowledge collections, etc. and a printer, we'd still be reable to rebuild everything else faster. So, surprise, surprise, many geeks -- otherwise known as technologists -- are greatly involved in your current reality, and not just on the fringes you attacked.

...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always better than the alternative...

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Rational thinkers *would* survive & be useful. (Score:2)
by xdc (dcZIGerman@veZIGrinZIGet.com) on Wednesday February 28, @12:50PM EST (#393)
(User #8753 Info) http://www.cerman.net/dan/
geeks? They would be the first ones to perish.

Many 'geeks' have good general problem-solving skills that would be adaptable and applicable to this kind of scenario. Their inventiveness would make processes more efficient and would help raise the standard of living for everyone. They could design and oversee the implementation of systems that would speed the recovery of civilization. The survivability of engineers, architects, scientists, and computer experts should not be so readily discounted.

Also, to imply that the destruction of all computer equipment & media would reduce the world's population to hunter-gatherer groups is a huge exaggeration, imho. Although the event would be a staggering blow to society, it would hardly set us back ten thousand years. Many vehicles still exist that don't rely absolutely on computers. Other machines could be rigged with simple makeshift electrical circuits or otherwise modified to work without microprocessors. We still have paper documents known as books. So although our lives would be severely disrupted (and some lives lost), we would find ways to put things back together.

TAKE OFF EVERY 'ZIG'!!

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Skipper!! (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @12:55PM EST (#402)
They would have never survived on the island without the Professor.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @12:57PM EST (#408)
Fuck you trollboy.
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:01PM EST (#410)
"I am a goat fucker"
- Jon Erikson, 2001
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:0)
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 28, @01:14PM EST (#423)

Yeah, just the sort of bullshit we'd expect from someone educated at "Bob Jones University" and calling themselves a "top flight consultant". Fuck off and don't come back till you know what you're talking about.


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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by SubtleNuance on Wednesday February 28, @02:30PM EST (#499)
(User #184325 Info)
If a 'mad max' scenario arose in the future I think geeks would do fine. Geeks are generally logical, atheist types. Analytical to a fault. Who would you want to shack up with? The religious nuts - scared of the dark? The Infighting Rednecks? or Maybe the pragmatic Logical geek crowd who would analyze their survival plan based on utility and not emotion. Geeks would form more peer-based social groups, intent on making 'democracies' and gathering consensus in order to make decisions.

Your geek crowd would be capable of maintaining/recreating tools from the destroyed civilization (alcohol, electricity, gas, radios, chemicals etc etc).

Consider the RedNeck Clan (your average blue-collar, oprah-watching, football lovin', consumo-tron) would likely tear each other apart fighting about which person would get to lead.

Dont kid yourselves - we geeks will rule the coming Apoc-e-clypse.


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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by Dyolf Knip (moc.liamtoh@lsseldj) on Wednesday February 28, @02:43PM EST (#509)
(User #165446 Info)
Explain to me how your average geek is more specialized than, say, our arch-nemeses: lawyers. What about accountants? Or a physicist or history professor? Why should computer experts be less able to survive an infocalypse than any other expert?

--
If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly.

Dyolf Knip

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The hell you say! (Score:1)
by Lottaguns on Wednesday February 28, @05:08PM EST (#560)
(User #234794 Info)
The typical geek admin *I* know is armed to the teeth with "Object Linking and Embedding Tools" like the AR-15 and AK-47. In fact, I never met so many gun freaks since I started working in this field. (I should have started sooner!)
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by RandomPeon on Wednesday February 28, @05:14PM EST (#561)
(User #230002 Info)
I know I'm arguing with a troll, but I just can't resist. (IMHO, the best troll is where you know it's a troll, but you still can't stop yourself from calling him a dumbass.)

The typical *nix sysadmin or Perl hacker has a very specialised set of skills that only counts within the narrow environment in which they are confortable operating in. Take that environment away, and said hacker is like a fish out of water.

The same could of marketers or lawyers or stockbrokers. Or convenience store clerks or any of the thousands of other professions that depend on a well-functioning semi-capitalist society to exist. Most people don't have skills that are useful in a post-apocolyptic world anymore. That's the problem with service economies.

The people "most likely to survive" are farmers, hunters, and soliders- people who are comfortable in primitive environments. Someone to grow the food, someone to hunt it, and someone to hunt people who want to steal it. IIRC, this is how primitive societies work.

And with the vast lack of social skills they possess, they can't even integrate into the hunter-gatherer groups of the post-apocolyptic world.

Social graces and social skills are two different things. Just because you aren't controlled by popular culture doesn't mean that you can't interact with others. Geeks seem to be quite successful at dealing with other geeks - people who have the same problems. Hmm, they also have a generous ability to solve problems. They generally don't prefer manipulating others into doing work over actually doing work. IMHE, I've seen Signal Corps soldiers are much better at resolving problems in the field than say, Finace Corps soldiers. One group is attuned to focusing on problems of a concrete nature, one freaks out when they don't have a regulation to tell them what to do.

Some people would be leaders,

Imagine a group of sales people trapped in a post-apolyptic world. They'd starve to death arguing about who was best qualified to direct the planting and who should actually do the work. The geeks would have already figured out crop rotation by discussing real questions.
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    Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
    by Chester K (The K Stands For Kwality!) on Wednesday February 28, @11:49PM EST (#634)
    (User #145560 Info) http://www.evercrest.com
    They'd starve to death arguing about who was best qualified to direct the planting and who should actually do the work. The geeks would have already figured out crop rotation by discussing real questions. Doubtful. Geeks, at least those that frequent Slashdot, would likely be arguing about whether they should plant their seeds in the shape of a footprint or the shape of a letter K, and whether they should name their farm "The BSD Ranch" or "GPLville".

    All those pithy little arguments people have, about whether Britney Spears is a better musician than Ricky Martin, or what color looks best with their eyes.... we poke a lot of fun at them, but we do the exact same thing.

    NO CARRIER
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by gando on Wednesday February 28, @06:59PM EST (#588)
(User #3647 Info)
Ooooh boy. Ease off the guns there, cowboy. You might need to adjust your view of geeks a bit. I think you don't really understand what it takes to be a survivor. Sure hunting and gathering are important. But, you might be surprised at how easy it is to gather food. There are a lot of things more important than barehanded hunting and gathering.

Tool making is more important. Try hunting with your bare hands. Hoe you like lots of lizards, grubs, and bugs mmmmmmmm (actually, prepared correctly, I dig grubs, they are like popcorn, just dont eat the heads). But if you are going to hunt something that moves quickly, you need tools. You need tools to make a good shelter; you need tools to prepare and eat food; you need tools to store and filter water; you need tools to make better tools. I know the processes involved in designing and making tools.

Problem solving is more important. Dealing with a disaster involves quick thinking to solve your problems. What do you do when your main water supply is contaminated? What do you do when a smaller disaster takes out your shelter? I know how to break down big problems into tasks and problem solve.

Communities are more important. Communication between groups of people and cooperation can get you back on your feet faster than if you do it alone. I know how to lead; I know how to follow. Im a good communicator and know how to ask questions with out an ego in my way; I know how to convey my thoughts and explain them to others.

SO, being a geek isnt all that bad in a survival situation. That and I think most of the geeks I know are outdoors types of people, in spite of what others think. Funny how stereotypes can be the opposite of what the group is really like. I think geeks are from all walks of life, they just have the ability to make tools, problem solve, create communities and communicate openly. These things all would be helpful in a disaster.

-Old Eagle Scout, Troop 55


-Gando --Veritas Prevalibit--
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:1)
by m$ yoda (sparis85@yahoo.com.au) on Wednesday February 28, @11:40PM EST (#630)
(User #313537 Info)
geeks an't idiots you think that a geeks is a idiot that can't do anything else
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Re:I think we'd have more important problems (Score:2)
by cyber-vandal (daveNOSPAM@NOSPAMmungosmash.madasafish.com) on Thursday March 01, @05:55AM EST (#658)
(User #148830 Info)
Not necessarily. Being smelly and having loads of hair would be the norm.
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